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newsatten

3,337 posts

115 months

Friday 9th October 2020
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My thoughts exactly!
why spend 100K plus on a complete mongrel ? when one could have a very nice 70/71 440 RT, and a balls out Hellcat!
Both will be fun and im guessing at 700HP ish the Hellcat would be capable of making ones gonads completely disappear laugh

These high horse restomods are popular in the US , as you say they cost a fortune to build, 2 to 300K is common FFS!
They are show and showoff motors, look at all the crap that Kevin Hart got into after launching his Cuda!
But maybe thats the rub? these people have so much cash they probably run out of things to buy laugh

The wide body Challenger is a fab looking car, but for me the lower spec ones are slightly odd looking and to slab sided, i'd buy a 5.0GT
right hand drive Mustang every time, nice looking car ,

Its a beautiful morning here, im off Clay Shooting shortly, there will probably be a couple of Muzzie's in the shoot carpark
The young gun's love em!

newsatten

3,337 posts

115 months

Friday 9th October 2020
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Rat Rod
saw your add for the Ruby, its looks great, and compared to 16 grand 7's looks cheap !
good luck with the home guard brigade laugh

Its so nice here today i took the Chally out for a blast, while i was out i popped round to see my mate Mick, ( the guy that had the White TA manual back in the early 70's! ) weve been mates since i was 16 eek

He's been working at a UK based Super Car maker for a few years now, but the factory has pretty much closed now, so 90% of the work force are redundant of just about on furlough,
So he's off the the US as soon as he can get the visa and the covid stuff sorted, now this is good for me as for the first time for years i'l actually have someone i trust implicitly and totally up for surveying any suitable and not to distant TA's , so there's a glimmer of light again in my quest for a Pontiac , marvelous, plus he's going to work for a guy who deals in Fast boats in the Keys, and they ship all over,

So in all this gloom, its just got a little brighter laugh

rat rod

4,997 posts

66 months

Friday 9th October 2020
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newsatten said:
Rat Rod
saw your add for the Ruby, its looks great, and compared to 16 grand 7's looks cheap !
good luck with the home guard brigade laugh

Its so nice here today i took the Chally out for a blast, while i was out i popped round to see my mate Mick, ( the guy that had the White TA manual back in the early 70's! ) weve been mates since i was 16 eek

He's been working at a UK based Super Car maker for a few years now, but the factory has pretty much closed now, so 90% of the work force are redundant of just about on furlough,
So he's off the the US as soon as he can get the visa and the covid stuff sorted, now this is good for me as for the first time for years i'l actually have someone i trust implicitly and totally up for surveying any suitable and not to distant TA's , so there's a glimmer of light again in my quest for a Pontiac , marvelous, plus he's going to work for a guy who deals in Fast boats in the Keys, and they ship all over,

So in all this gloom, its just got a little brighter laugh
Lovely to hear some good news, really pleased for you ,this puts a whole dimension on buying from the states whether a T/A or another yank,

Is it McLarens your friend works for or nearer home, Keep reading different things about them ln the press.

When he gets settled would be a good place to visit ,not just for the cars but fast boats sound interesting, You will think you've died
and gone to heaven,

Supposed to be nice weather over the weekend so make the most of it with the Challenger,makes all those hours spent on it worth while.

To me spending all that money and time on those restomods when it could be spent on doing a 100 point restoration with one or two updates
to make life easier

Surprised to get three E mails .on the Ruby before i even put the photo's on but done since,I did ask if people could phone me rather than
E mail but they still do,it's become the norm.

The side view on the blue T/A looks so good, could have been designed by the Italians for Ferrari or Lamborghini ,just stood the test of time so well.

I look at them in a totally different light today, like the photo of the white /blue one with the wide Daisy mags it just looks so wright and

the equal to stunning cars like Dino's,Miura's ,GT40's and the series 1 E type but when you and me had them back in the day just took them

for granted,well at least i did,they were just another cheap muscle car in the shadow of the Charger's,Cuda's ,Challenger's and Cobra Jet Mustangs.

B bodies were a little unloved at the time ,the poor relation to the E body's and Chargers, Now look at them.

Did you see the 70 Sublime 340 Challenger on "Car and Classic" today, was plum crazy when new.not silly money but it's in the States

so got to get it here so another £2k plus.

Lets hope your mate gets to the States and things will be looking up.

P.S 72 AMC Javelin £14,995 and racing TVR Wedge for £3250, any future in them. on "car and Classic "




Edited by rat rod on Friday 9th October 22:15

newsatten

3,337 posts

115 months

Friday 9th October 2020
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Yeah it may come to nowt, but adds another dimension , and having a mate out there will deffo help with bits for the Chally,
As far as the TA goes, the later cars are still just about doable, but if i go after a early car i'l have to sell the RT, Hamster/wheel laugh

Theres still plenty of 76-80 cars about over there, ball park is around 16-20K,$, which is around 18K landed, i would have just dismissed the idea a few years ago, but its well over 30 years since i had a Bandit type, so now i could live with the compromise .

And yep i'l gas the old girl up in the morning , breakfast and a run down to the North Foreland ,



rat rod

4,997 posts

66 months

Saturday 10th October 2020
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newsatten said:
Yeah it may come to nowt, but adds another dimension , and having a mate out there will deffo help with bits for the Chally,
As far as the TA goes, the later cars are still just about doable, but if i go after a early car i'l have to sell the RT, Hamster/wheel laugh

Theres still plenty of 76-80 cars about over there, ball park is around 16-20K,$, which is around 18K landed, i would have just dismissed the idea a few years ago, but its well over 30 years since i had a Bandit type, so now i could live with the compromise .

And yep i'l gas the old girl up in the morning , breakfast and a run down to the North Foreland ,


This might be your brother from another mother.

On the "Petrolicious" You Tube channel.

Title" This Pontiac Firebird Trans Am has been transformed".

Thought of you but you may have already seen it, they do short video's on mostly classic yanks,Italian ,British and German classics with

some input from the owners who are quite interesting characters.




SRT Hellcat

7,035 posts

218 months

Saturday 10th October 2020
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I thought I would post this up

One the way



There



During



Result


rat rod

4,997 posts

66 months

Saturday 10th October 2020
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SRT Hellcat said:
I thought I would post this up

One the way



There



During



Result

Is that 200 i can see,private road or Mexico i hope.

Don't think my son get up to those speeds in the docks.

Can we have a photo of it sideways, not difficult according to my son.

When's the Demon or Red Eye coming. wink

newsatten

3,337 posts

115 months

Saturday 10th October 2020
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Even at 3MPG probably still cheaper than using the bus laugh

rat rod

4,997 posts

66 months

Saturday 10th October 2020
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newsatten said:
Even at 3MPG probably still cheaper than using the bus laugh
I'm off too Spec Savers, thought it read 30 ,

My stroked 455 T/A did 12 mpg downhill and no less than 9 going up.

3 mpg is that some sort of record.



newsatten

3,337 posts

115 months

Saturday 10th October 2020
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laugh

Epic ! bet it was fun!

My Challenger's is slightly better, i can get around 14 lol.................................. just imagine 200 in a original E body yikes



rat rod

4,997 posts

66 months

Saturday 10th October 2020
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laugh

Epic ! bet it was fun!

My Challenger's is slightly better, i can get around 14 lol.................................. just imagine 200 in a original E body yikes


Ye ,you can scare yourself at 80/90 without trying.

The GT 350 R clone sold for £60,750 + 6% commission on Collecting Cars auction, nice bits ,a 347 stroker and Tremec but hardly a R ,

No perplex vented rear window and the riveted side roof panels that replace the side vents are
not there.

Also it has a full interior not the stripped out one with the spare inside rather than in the boot. more a GT350 than R. Is it me or am i just being anal.

More practical and usable but not what they claim especially for that kind of money to put it into prospective a very nice Porsche 911 Carrera

RS clone sold for £34,250 + 6% almost half. Although i love my yanks i think i would rather have the Porsche and go and buy a another

yank,something like the Charger 500 with the change.

I know your not into modern yanks but there's a video on You Tube with a 950 bhp Shelby Mustang ,There's a link on the MOC GB site

under media.

It is so censored fast and sounds like armageddon and it's in the UK so no noisy American You Tubers.

Thinking of you cruising in the Challenger this morning while i was mowing the lawn while it's dry so hopefully i can get out tomorrow,



SRT Hellcat

7,035 posts

218 months

Saturday 10th October 2020
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rat rod said:
Is that 200 i can see,private road or Mexico i hope.

Don't think my son get up to those speeds in the docks.

Can we have a photo of it sideways, not difficult according to my son.

When's the Demon or Red Eye coming. wink
That was at a VMAX 200 event in August. It ran 200.66mph in 1.2 miles. Standing start on concrete. No burnouts. Mine runs the 8 speed ZF and I start in 2nd gear to try and minimise wheelspin off the line. Ran 131mph in the 1/8th and 165mph in the half mile. Shell Vpower not race fuel. It has a pulley and a tune so making roughly Demon / Redeye power. Josh at HHP said we could run a race fuel tune and add another 60 ish hp if I wanted to smile Here a video link. Unfortunately the phone mount starts to wobble around a bit. 200mph on the dash is 205 mph actual speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbP5v-8Hp3c

newsatten

3,337 posts

115 months

Saturday 10th October 2020
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SRT Hellcat said:
That was at a VMAX 200 event in August. It ran 200.66mph in 1.2 miles. Standing start on concrete. No burnouts. Mine runs the 8 speed ZF and I start in 2nd gear to try and minimise wheelspin off the line. Ran 131mph in the 1/8th and 165mph in the half mile. Shell Vpower not race fuel. It has a pulley and a tune so making roughly Demon / Redeye power. Josh at HHP said we could run a race fuel tune and add another 60 ish hp if I wanted to smile Here a video link. Unfortunately the phone mount starts to wobble around a bit. 200mph on the dash is 205 mph actual speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbP5v-8Hp3c
Thats some machine, youll have to sort the wobbly phone though! laugh

Like Rat Rod just said 90 in an old one can be bum clenching lol, those doughnut tyres do feel squishy when were all used to rubber bands

rat rod

4,997 posts

66 months

Saturday 10th October 2020
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SRT Hellcat said:
rat rod said:
Is that 200 i can see,private road or Mexico i hope.

Don't think my son get up to those speeds in the docks.

Can we have a photo of it sideways, not difficult according to my son.

When's the Demon or Red Eye coming. wink
That was at a VMAX 200 event in August. It ran 200.66mph in 1.2 miles. Standing start on concrete. No burnouts. Mine runs the 8 speed ZF and I start in 2nd gear to try and minimise wheelspin off the line. Ran 131mph in the 1/8th and 165mph in the half mile. Shell Vpower not race fuel. It has a pulley and a tune so making roughly Demon / Redeye power. Josh at HHP said we could run a race fuel tune and add another 60 ish hp if I wanted to smile Here a video link. Unfortunately the phone mount starts to wobble around a bit. 200mph on the dash is 205 mph actual speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbP5v-8Hp3c
No need for a Demon then,didn't think you were going to brake in time,

One year a Bugatti didn't and drove through it. ouch!

Thanks for posting looks like a lot of fun .

newsatten

3,337 posts

115 months

Saturday 10th October 2020
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[quote= rat rod]
Ye ,you can scare yourself at 80/90 without trying.

The GT 350 R clone sold for £60,750 + 6% commission on Collecting Cars auction, nice bits ,a 347 stroker and Tremec but hardly a R ,

No perplex vented rear window and the riveted side roof panels that replace the side vents are
not there.

Also it has a full interior not the stripped out one with the spare inside rather than in the boot. more a GT350 than R. Is it me or am i just being anal.

More practical and usable but not what they claim especially for that kind of money to put it into prospective a very nice Porsche 911 Carrera

RS clone sold for £34,250 + 6% almost half. Although i love my yanks i think i would rather have the Porsche and go and buy a another

yank,something like the Charger 500 with the change.

I know your not into modern yanks but there's a video on You Tube with a 950 bhp Shelby Mustang ,There's a link on the MOC GB site

under media.

It is so censored fast and sounds like armageddon and it's in the UK so no noisy American You Tubers.

Thinking of you cruising in the Challenger this morning while i was mowing the lawn while it's dry so hopefully i can get out tomorrow,


Bummer never got out this morning ! damp and dreary here, sun didnt come out till 4 this after,
Wev'e got a few of those's Shelby Monsters around here, not really my thing, id be totally out of my depth with any of these modern complex machines, and more importantly totally out of my income level,
When i see things like Mustang's and Demons and 100K plus and Reversed Manufactured FastBacks at 200K i cant help thinking the plots been lost laugh
And 65K for a Shelby Clone, a few years back that would brought a real one! the thing is with Clones or tributes or any other trendy words for fakes is that there still fake, a fake snake is still a fakelaugh



rat rod

4,997 posts

66 months

Saturday 10th October 2020
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newsatten]rat rod said:
Ye ,you can scare yourself at 80/90 without trying.

The GT 350 R clone sold for £60,750 + 6% commission on Collecting Cars auction, nice bits ,a 347 stroker and Tremec but hardly a R ,

No perplex vented rear window and the riveted side roof panels that replace the side vents are
not there.

Also it has a full interior not the stripped out one with the spare inside rather than in the boot. more a GT350 than R. Is it me or am i just being anal.

More practical and usable but not what they claim especially for that kind of money to put it into prospective a very nice Porsche 911 Carrera

RS clone sold for £34,250 + 6% almost half. Although i love my yanks i think i would rather have the Porsche and go and buy a another

yank,something like the Charger 500 with the change.

I know your not into modern yanks but there's a video on You Tube with a 950 bhp Shelby Mustang ,There's a link on the MOC GB site

under media.

It is so censored fast and sounds like armageddon and it's in the UK so no noisy American You Tubers.

Thinking of you cruising in the Challenger this morning while i was mowing the lawn while it's dry so hopefully i can get out tomorrow,


Bummer never got out this morning ! damp and dreary here, sun didnt come out till 4 this after,
Wev'e got a few of those's Shelby Monsters around here, not really my thing, id be totally out of my depth with any of these modern complex machines, and more importantly totally out of my income level,
When i see things like Mustang's and Demons and 100K plus and Reversed Manufactured FastBacks at 200K i cant help thinking the plots been lost laugh
And 65K for a Shelby Clone, a few years back that would brought a real one! the thing is with Clones or tributes or any other trendy words for fakes is that there still fake, a fake snake is still a fakelaugh

rat rod

4,997 posts

66 months

Saturday 10th October 2020
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newsatten]rat rod said:
Ye ,you can scare yourself at 80/90 without trying.

The GT 350 R clone sold for £60,750 + 6% commission on Collecting Cars auction, nice bits ,a 347 stroker and Tremec but hardly a R ,

No perplex vented rear window and the riveted side roof panels that replace the side vents are
not there.

Also it has a full interior not the stripped out one with the spare inside rather than in the boot. more a GT350 than R. Is it me or am i just being anal.

More practical and usable but not what they claim especially for that kind of money to put it into prospective a very nice Porsche 911 Carrera

RS clone sold for £34,250 + 6% almost half. Although i love my yanks i think i would rather have the Porsche and go and buy a another

yank,something like the Charger 500 with the change.

I know your not into modern yanks but there's a video on You Tube with a 950 bhp Shelby Mustang ,There's a link on the MOC GB site

under media.

It is so censored fast and sounds like armageddon and it's in the UK so no noisy American You Tubers.

Thinking of you cruising in the Challenger this morning while i was mowing the lawn while it's dry so hopefully i can get out tomorrow,


Bummer never got out this morning ! damp and dreary here, sun didnt come out till 4 this after,
Wev'e got a few of those's Shelby Monsters around here, not really my thing, id be totally out of my depth with any of these modern complex machines, and more importantly totally out of my income level,
When i see things like Mustang's and Demons and 100K plus and Reversed Manufactured FastBacks at 200K i cant help thinking the plots been lost laugh
And 65K for a Shelby Clone, a few years back that would brought a real one! the thing is with Clones or tributes or any other trendy words for fakes is that there still fake, a fake snake is still a fakelaugh
Funny you should say that about the Shelby clones ,Me and my son bought one between us ,

Strong standard 302 but went like a train ,T 10 box with a Hurst shifter , needed painting ,the guy was turning it into a R and fitted alloy door

cards,replaced the side roof vents with the riveted panels,token exhaust coming out the side in front of the rear wheels,

WE had a back to metal paint ,kept it a gt 350 clone but reverted back to a road car as thought it easier to sell when time comes.

My son took it to a Goodwood super car day and to his surprise was welcomed by them,

I think maybe because it was a classic rather than a modern one.

They must of assumed it was a real Shelby and was even invited to take it on the track which he did.

Got into conversation with them and when my son told them it was a replica Shelby they just stopped talking to him and walked off.

With there type of money they could afford the real thing ,I suppose a bit like bringing a Countach replica in.

The difference is that this is a real Mustang just dressed like a Shelby.

Sold it to a stockbroker who bought it for his sons graduation present, see where this is going again.

Edited by rat rod on Saturday 10th October 22:40

newsatten

3,337 posts

115 months

Sunday 11th October 2020
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laugh

That sounds like a proper fun car, great looking car the early type fastbacks , circa 66 , and every body loves louvers and scoops !
Mickey brought a few proper Shelby's back to the UK a long time ago , think one was an R, he also had a lovely Aubergine GT500 KR.
These were big money even back then, lol................

But i grew up using Yanks as my user car, ran one for awhile then sold it to buy something different, there was plenty about and the knobs paid no attention to them as most thought they were rubbish cars, garish/showy etc, horrendous on fuel, a nightmare when overtaking on two lane roads, (which back then were the norm!)
So the Status Que was fixed, Now fast forward 40 odd years and its now the complete opposite ! very few cars, trendy for lots of reasons, now brought by the Knobs, as its only the wealthy that can afford them Ta Dah..........................................

But thats life, and if i was well heeled i'd have loads of them, there a large part of my past, and its a romance that last for ever,

newsatten

3,337 posts

115 months

Sunday 11th October 2020
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Just had a look at the R clone on other auction site ive never heard of! like buying cars in a box, a new internet phenomenonlaugh
Great looking car, with some nice features , but its still 60K plus, i did like the original body part, only two full repaints!
and painted in POR underneath, another one of triggers brooms laugh


rat rod

4,997 posts

66 months

Sunday 11th October 2020
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newsatten said:
laugh

That sounds like a proper fun car, great looking car the early type fastbacks , circa 66 , and every body loves louvers and scoops !
Mickey brought a few proper Shelby's back to the UK a long time ago , think one was an R, he also had a lovely Aubergine GT500 KR.
These were big money even back then, lol................

But i grew up using Yanks as my user car, ran one for awhile then sold it to buy something different, there was plenty about and the knobs paid no attention to them as most thought they were rubbish cars, garish/showy etc, horrendous on fuel, a nightmare when overtaking on two lane roads, (which back then were the norm!)
So the Status Que was fixed, Now fast forward 40 odd years and its now the complete opposite ! very few cars, trendy for lots of reasons, now brought by the Knobs, as its only the wealthy that can afford them Ta Dah..........................................

But thats life, and if i was well heeled i'd have loads of them, there a large part of my past, and its a romance that last for ever,
Mate, I couldn't have put that better myself perfect summery of the before and after yank market, I really did like that fastback although

pretty standard mechanics apart from the Shelby drop ,Hurst shifter,discs,


It was more visual, being a 65 and was quite light to drive despite no power steering, it was on 14" Touque Thrusts which is quite rare these days although i think they were quite old.

used it almost daily in the summer and quite a lot the winter months,

Took it to Goodwood on a V8 only track day,Tiger's,GT40's,Cobra's and mainly Mustang's and a couple of gen 1 Camaro's and a guy there

who once owned a real one thought it was until i told him different.

Just got back from a drive around the lanes in the 32 roadster ,always had oil leaks but seems slightly worse today,going to have a look later.

mean while going to watch the Estoril Classic live on You Tube.

Edited by rat rod on Sunday 11th October 13:40