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newsatten

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114 months

Wednesday 21st October 2020
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I'm no expert but pretty sure all the later Griffs are 5lts , the early precat cars were 4.3 I believe?
But as you say looked a nice car and offers a lot of bang at the price.

Yeah the 440 is a Lump of motor, but
As it's a composed thing one has no idea of how or what's been used
The 440 might be a motor home engine
Putting out a wheezy 190 hp!
Plus looking at the under pinnings those torsion bars look very weedy for a engine that goes 700lbs !
No pas no power brakes the list goes on
But at least it ain't a mustang lol

Be interested in how it does
Hav'nt looked today as I've been busy on the Taunus !

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Wednesday 21st October 2020
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newsatten said:
I'm no expert but pretty sure all the later Griffs are 5lts , the early precat cars were 4.3 I believe?
But as you say looked a nice car and offers a lot of bang at the price.

Yeah the 440 is a Lump of motor, but
As it's a composed thing one has no idea of how or what's been used
The 440 might be a motor home engine
Putting out a wheezy 190 hp!
Plus looking at the under pinnings those torsion bars look very weedy for a engine that goes 700lbs !
No pas no power brakes the list goes on
But at least it ain't a mustang lol

Be interested in how it does
Hav'nt looked today as I've been busy on the Taunus !
He hasn't put matching numbers i don't think, so it could be a 318 with a low power truck 440, haven't thought of that one.

Didn't know it hasn't got power steering, read the bit about no power brakes, both my Challengers and the Cuda had keep fit windows so

this probably be the same, nothing wrong with that , less to repair ,When new with skinny tyres no problem with no power steering but

with wider modern rubber plus heavier engine sounds like hard work. And if the paintwork annoys you which for most it will and

the interior needs some work on top of that, maybe the cracks are beginning to show through but it's still a plum crazy Challenger so

still desirable and rare these days.

Just looked this up ref TVR, There's a 4'0, 40 HC, 4.3,4.5 and the 5.0 with 340bhp, mileage was low around 45k, rare in white but not


to everybody's liking and in the photo's looked mint ,a lot of car for TR6 money.

newsatten

3,315 posts

114 months

Wednesday 21st October 2020
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Yeah it's deffo a bitza ,
If it's a 68' to 71 motor it will have a lot of Hp, however later ones are very low compression, obviously this can be sorted but as per the cost climb
No gain without pain !

neutral 3

6,485 posts

170 months

Wednesday 21st October 2020
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rat rod said:
He hasn't put matching numbers i don't think, so it could be a 318 with a low power truck 440, haven't thought of that one.

Didn't know it hasn't got power steering, read the bit about no power brakes, both my Challengers and the Cuda had keep fit windows so

this probably be the same, nothing wrong with that , less to repair ,When new with skinny tyres no problem with no power steering but

with wider modern rubber plus heavier engine sounds like hard work. And if the paintwork annoys you which for most it will and

the interior needs some work on top of that, maybe the cracks are beginning to show through but it's still a plum crazy Challenger so

still desirable and rare these days.

Just looked this up ref TVR, There's a 4'0, 40 HC, 4.3,4.5 and the 5.0 with 340bhp, mileage was low around 45k, rare in white but not


to everybody's liking and in the photo's looked mint ,a lot of car for TR6 money.


The first Griffs were a 4 Litre, they rev, but are well down on power and torque, compared to the 94 on 500. The 500 is the better built car, but was still built in a shed, in Blackpool.
95 on 500s, got the much better T-5 gear box and nicer dash.
I’ve had the 8th 400 built, a 95 500HC, a 97 Chimp 500 and I’ve owned the “ Tweaked “ 98 one in the photo for coming up for 11 years. Sold others for customers as well.

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Wednesday 21st October 2020
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neutral 3 said:


The first Griffs were a 4 Litre, they rev, but are well down on power and torque, compared to the 94 on 500. The 500 is the better built car, but was still built in a shed, in Blackpool.
95 on 500s, got the much better T-5 gear box and nicer dash.
I’ve had the 8th 400 built, a 95 500HC, a 97 Chimp 500 and I’ve owned the “ Tweaked “ 98 one in the photo for coming up for 11 years. Sold others for customers as well.
Be honest i don't like or know that much about them although i've had 4 , A Chimaera in p/ex against of all things a Hot Rod, A 2/3 year

old Griffith again in p/ex against a 308 GTB, and bought a 2.8 S ,that was horrible but not as bad as a classic shape one, I think the

forerunner of the Vixon , i remember it had a V6 V6 Essex engine and that's about all.

I was looking on the HH Auction site at another car but this white Griffith caught my eye, grey interior with a alloy type of dashboard which i

thought was a big improvement on the polished wood ones.also being a 500 should be quickish and maybe put together better than the

earlier ones.If it been the normal green or blue i probably wouldn't have noticed it.

Unlike me you seem to know your way round them ,Can you tell me why the seats are so low,even guys of above average height seem to

sit very low in them,i've got no chance of seeing over the dashboard even,no wonder they get crashed a lot.

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Thursday 22nd October 2020
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newsatten said:
Yeah it's deffo a bitza ,
If it's a 68' to 71 motor it will have a lot of Hp, however later ones are very low compression, obviously this can be sorted but as per the cost climb
No gain without pain !
You know the more i looked at that Challenger can't help thinking would a 318 have a pistol grip on a manual,in fact i don't recall ever seeing a manual 318, also the rear valance has the proper factory cut outs for the quad exhausts just like my RT had, I know this could have been put on afterwards when they put all the R/T graphics on.

My Primal Scream Kowalski Challenger although a 440 probably started life as either a 318 or 383 as it didn't have the exhaust cut outs
just a plain valance with the twin exhausts coming out under it. It did have power steering though,is that not standard?

I suppose the only way to find out is to do a check on the fender tag if it's still got one that is,

Did you see the White 57 T/Bird on" The Market " Auction not yet started ,wondered if it might be your car.

neutral 3

6,485 posts

170 months

Thursday 22nd October 2020
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rat rod said:
Be honest i don't like or know that much about them although i've had 4 , A Chimaera in p/ex against of all things a Hot Rod, A 2/3 year

old Griffith again in p/ex against a 308 GTB, and bought a 2.8 S ,that was horrible but not as bad as a classic shape one, I think the

forerunner of the Vixon , i remember it had a V6 V6 Essex engine and that's about all.

I was looking on the HH Auction site at another car but this white Griffith caught my eye, grey interior with a alloy type of dashboard which i

thought was a big improvement on the polished wood ones.also being a 500 should be quickish and maybe put together better than the

earlier ones.If it been the normal green or blue i probably wouldn't have noticed it.

Unlike me you seem to know your way round them ,Can you tell me why the seats are so low,even guys of above average height seem to

sit very low in them,i've got no chance of seeing over the dashboard even,no wonder they get crashed a lot.
An Alloy dash is after market and frankly, dire. Factory dash was wood. The heat thrown back from an alloy dash, on a hot day, is ruddy diabolical. On a long trip across France in August 07, in my 95 500, the heat thrown back from its after market alloy dash, actually burnt my face and irritated my eyes. These cars get Very hot enough inside, as it is.
Seat runners are flat and the 4 mounting studs, go straight through the floor. Washers can be used, to lift the seat up, but the OE Griff seats are dreadful things, zero lower back support. The best mod is fitting Tuscan seats. These are taller and Way more supportive. I have one in my Griff, paid £10 quid for a pair of them, from a breakers, had to unbolt them myself and straightened the passengers one out, then fitted it to the drivers side.

The TVR Vixen was a 1600, whilst the 67 - 71 Tuscan, had the early wheezy Ford Zodiac derived 128hp V-6, or a Ford V-8. Factory built V-8 Tuscans are rare, but a few V-6 cars have had a V-8 fitted.

This V-6 Tuscan is the ex Dr.Rod Longton one. He bought it new and won the 71 Mod Sports championship with it.

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Edited by neutral 3 on Thursday 22 October 06:23

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Thursday 22nd October 2020
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neutral 3 said:
An Alloy dash is after market and frankly, dire. Factory dash was wood. The heat thrown back from an alloy dash, on a hot day, is ruddy diabolical. On a long trip across France in August 07, in my 95 500, the heat thrown back from its after market alloy dash, actually burnt my face and irritated my eyes. These cars get Very hot enough inside, as it is.
Seat runners are flat and the 4 mounting studs, go straight through the floor. Washers can be used, to lift the seat up, but the OE Griff seats are dreadful things, zero lower back support. The best mod is fitting Tuscan seats. These are taller and Way more supportive. I have one in my Griff, paid £10 quid for a pair of them, from a breakers, had to unbolt them myself and straightened the passengers one out, then fitted it to the drivers side.

The TVR Vixen was a 1600, whilst the 67 - 71 Tuscan, had the early wheezy Ford Zodiac derived 128hp V-6, or a Ford V-8. Factory built V-8 Tuscans are rare, but a few V-6 cars have had a V-8 fitted.

This V-6 Tuscan is the ex Dr.Rod Longton one. He bought it new and won the 71 Mod Sports championship with it.

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Edited by neutral 3 on Thursday 22 October 06:23
You got a bargain with those seats, so sounds a easy job to higher the seats,

That's amazing how the alloy dash can be capable of burning your face,would have to wear sun cream just to go out for a drive,

I just prefer the look of the alloy to the wood,more race car than gentleman's club ,

Now that's a TVR i would love to own, looks a wild beast.

Thanks for the info.

newsatten

3,315 posts

114 months

Thursday 22nd October 2020
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Hey RR, we must be on the same level
Lol
I had a very late SE spec 450 Chim
Full leather full Multi point aircon
Lovely car , also had a full stainless dash with large engine turned finish , looked the nuts , factory fitted, as an upgrade I guess ,
Another one I should I kept !
Strange we're back on TVR,s again lol
I'd buy another one , ideally needed outriggers and such ,
Then I could build a little bit of profit into the mix!


rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Thursday 22nd October 2020
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newsatten said:
Hey RR, we must be on the same level
Lol
I had a very late SE spec 450 Chim
Full leather full Multi point aircon
Lovely car , also had a full stainless dash with large engine turned finish , looked the nuts , factory fitted, as an upgrade I guess ,
Another one I should I kept !
Strange we're back on TVR,s again lol
I'd buy another one , ideally needed outriggers and such ,
Then I could build a little bit of profit into the mix!
About time you made some money out of your hobby every body else does,
My Chimaera was mint ,quite rare in red,but it had already had the out riggers welded so saved me the trouble,

Wish i knew you when i had the Marcos ,Outwardly that was a nice car but with a rusty chassis,The only way to do it was to take the body off
i was told and it is bonded on from new hopefully with a few bolts as well,

Unless the specialist know different they weren't going to tell,
In the end we cut the lower half of the car away , about a third the way up and got access to the chassis that way, shame as the body and paintwork was mint ,looked horrific ,thought it was going to end up with it on
E Bay as parts but having every faith in my man told him to carry on ,just don't won't to watch.

He did a miracle of a job ,couldn't see were the joint was and blended the paint colour in a treat baring in mind there's no ridges to lose both on, with the body having a round curvature, Build quality on TVR's are like Porsche's compared to those on Marcos's
Don't think i will be buying another one any time soon.

The guy who did the work is now retired and with the likes of him now a dying breed lets hope i don't get caught again.
Do you think we should join the TVR Thread before they throw us off this one, sorry for the high jack.

Edited by rat rod on Thursday 22 October 14:26

newsatten

3,315 posts

114 months

Thursday 22nd October 2020
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laugh
Dont Panic, back with a mopar bang lol


how good would that lot be under ya hood ! perfect on my Challenger, bet i could get down in the 7's with this set up laugh

Anyway a lot of The Blackpool Mafia were powered by a Buick so the yank thread is intact!

Hows the TA purchase progressing?? any news??
Ive managed to avoid the chop, the other body bloke and a fitter were let go this week, so got the workshop all to myself , plus ive now got my own lift legs!
the worlds my lobster!
Definitely need a project now , laugh


rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Thursday 22nd October 2020
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newsatten said:
laugh
Dont Panic, back with a mopar bang lol


how good would that lot be under ya hood ! perfect on my Challenger, bet i could get down in the 7's with this set up laugh

Anyway a lot of The Blackpool Mafia were powered by a Buick so the yank thread is intact!

Hows the TA purchase progressing?? any news??
Ive managed to avoid the chop, the other body bloke and a fitter were let go this week, so got the workshop all to myself , plus ive now got my own lift legs!
the worlds my lobster!
Definitely need a project now , laugh


Congratulations, there be no stopping you now ,a workshop all to your self especially with winter coming on.

On our local news tonight they showed a bus and coach company based in the I.O.W have thrown in the towel ,

A private company ,apparently one of a hundred to go recently,They were all crying including the boss. so looks like you dodged a bullet.

Nice engine and carb set up,just think what you could do with your Challenger with that workshop,sky's the limit

Done nothing about the T/A, my fault really, was hoping the 7 would go but nothing ,thinking about adding ,time wasters welcome to the ad.

Dart money just sat there ,don't want to touch it just in case the 7 goes but getting impatient so may have to drop the price again otherwise

may loose the T/A ,on the other hand there's other cars that are tempting me for half the money and don't have to sell or give the 7 away.

After saying that i'm going to have a look at a TR4A tomorrow, dry stored for 20 years,complete and runs ,will mess my plan up but needs

looking at especially at the price the guy wants, In a way i hope it's a wreck so don't have to worry about it.

Did you have a look to see if the white T/Bird is your one or would you rather not look, sounds silly but i have a detailed scale model in

white and blue of a T/A and put it away in the cupboard when i sold it, found it the other day when looking for something else,

It's still in the cupboard waiting to come out,









Edited by rat rod on Thursday 22 October 23:23

newsatten

3,315 posts

114 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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laugh

Yeah i dodged the bullet for now! just have to see how it goes ,

Which T Bird and where lol............................ the TR sounds good, pretty car, think we both struggle with the inflated prices car like the TA command now, 30-35K yes maybe but they just aint a 60+K motor car, well not to me, Its all relative , i get paid less now than 20 years ago
and the cars are 3-4 times the price now!

There out of my leaguelaugh

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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newsatten said:
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Yeah i dodged the bullet for now! just have to see how it goes ,

Which T Bird and where lol............................ the TR sounds good, pretty car, think we both struggle with the inflated prices car like the TA command now, 30-35K yes maybe but they just aint a 60+K motor car, well not to me, Its all relative , i get paid less now than 20 years ago
and the cars are 3-4 times the price now!

There out of my leaguelaugh
The 57 T/Bird on" The Market" On Line Action which they now have on E Bay.

Think it.s the same car that was on E Bay for a long time last year. Reg No 699 YUN.

Phoned the guy last night to say i will be coming to see the TR4A tomorrow and will phone before i leave to confirm

i'm on my way which i did, a distance of 67 miles, got within half a mile and got a call to say he sold it.

Is it me or what, I would have told the guy who bought it that someone was on way and would have to wait or at least phoned me to forwarn

me ,Wasn't best pleased with him , he was very apologetic and do i want to come anyway as he had other cars there,

Felt like telling him to stuff it but then thought there might be something else there and would save wasting a trip.

There was nothing that grabbed me,did look at the TR4 reluctantly while i was there hoping it might be a wreck,It was as i expected

ok for the money asked and would have bought it as not many around in that condition at that money and there's not another one.

Only thing i didn't like was where the rear wings meet the body the seam had been filled in and could be sorted but to do it properly

would have to put new wings on it and off we go again.

I would have wanted to just clean a profit into it as once you start pulling it apart and do one thing you would have to carry on with the rest.

In fact ideal car for you. Maybe it was meant to be . Not to worry it's not like it was something exciting like T/A.rolleyes::







Edited by rat rod on Friday 23 October 19:08

newsatten

3,315 posts

114 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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Yes thats annoying ! sounds like you would have brought it!
Everything these days seems like a drama , The T bird is a good looking car in the pics, lots of nice period original bits, however some of the trunk area looks dodgy and the rear panel has a rubbish accident repair, which would flag up a need to view in person, its not my old one but pretty sure ive seen it before ?
My old car would be classed as an older resto now,started it in 93' finished it in 99' on the road in 2000' 20 odd years ago now? blimey where did that go laugh

I am looking forward to seeing how the Mustang and Challenger do on The Market, the Chally was 120K , now 80k good grief whats the mark up on these restomod cars??

There's a Plymouth Savoy on Ebay, its near me, two weeks ago it was 10K, in Dover now 18K in Maidstone thats a fabulous mileage ratelaugh
So were right back on track as far as this thread goes, getmecoat


rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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newsatten said:
Yes thats annoying ! sounds like you would have brought it!
Everything these days seems like a drama , The T bird is a good looking car in the pics, lots of nice period original bits, however some of the trunk area looks dodgy and the rear panel has a rubbish accident repair, which would flag up a need to view in person, its not my old one but pretty sure ive seen it before ?
My old car would be classed as an older resto now,started it in 93' finished it in 99' on the road in 2000' 20 odd years ago now? blimey where did that go laugh

I am looking forward to seeing how the Mustang and Challenger do on The Market, the Chally was 120K , now 80k good grief whats the mark up on these restomod cars??

There's a Plymouth Savoy on Ebay, its near me, two weeks ago it was 10K, in Dover now 18K in Maidstone thats a fabulous mileage ratelaugh
So were right back on track as far as this thread goes, getmecoat

Ye what a waste of time,energy and petrol, I would have bought it on price at £9,250 and sold it on price, with nice ones at £26k to £36k ,

Not sure if i would have even cleaned it ,people seem to like these barn finds and cleaning it may have done more harm than good,


It had been dry stored for 20 years and was first time started yesterday,lots of dust and you would have to live with the filled in seems for that

money, The frustrating thing is he's only taken a deposit as the guy was still there when i arrived , i would have paid him

in full today so done himself no favours.

You've probably seen that T/Bird on E bay ,it's been on and off for over a year plus was in Historics and didn't sell.

They probably entered it in" The Market" on the strength of what the red one made but that was in a different league.

.That's a big mark up on that Savoy, That's the thing with these obscure yanks,most people chase the popular models that are now

overpriced and there's a car that's rare with nothing for a guide line,someone offers the seller £15k and he thinks he's got a bargain.

Just a case of being cheeky,was easier before the internet ,harder for the seller and buyer to put a price on things,now all they got to do is google .

I reckon the guy who owns those restomods wants them gone,obviously wealthy had his fun and got it out of his system now go back

to his Porsche's and Ferrari's, Although still expensive by American standards i think they may get sold at sensible prices ,a fraction

of cost and if restomods are your thing could be a couple of bargains.

newsatten

3,315 posts

114 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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laugh

Yeah the Savoy guy may just have changed the add location and wacked up the price! they say god loves a trier lol................

And yes your right regarding the Restomods, cost serious money to put together, The Ford does look good, and has lots of trick bits, stance looks right, apart from the dodgy later type dash looks a weapon ,
The Challenger however for me looks like its been done in a back yard in Tijuana, hey gringo you wanna see ma sister ! laugh
Just looks naff, maybe because ive a real one im bias , but the colour/wheel combo is crap, the dash is just horrible, the perfect example of how not the Restomod a muscle car lol.............................

I appreciate it takes all sorts, but to me these are old cars, and a big part of there charm/character is the fact they drive like old cars!
Simple uncomplicated fun, but as ive said takes all sorts, and i guess the Tesla/Durcel powered Fastback cant be far off, if it doesn't already exits laugh

On a more serious note RR your right about using my skill set to earn a few quid, something ive never done outside work,
Ive always used my skill set as a way of having something nice as a toy that i wouldn't have otherwised been able to afford,
So for the first time im actually looking for a project with a view of improving and flogging laugh


SRT Hellcat

7,031 posts

217 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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newsatten said:
I appreciate it takes all sorts, but to me these are old cars, and a big part of there charm/character is the fact they drive like old cars!
Simple uncomplicated fun, but as ive said takes all sorts, and i guess the Tesla/Durcel powered Fastback cant be far off, if it doesn't already exits laugh
I cringe when someone starts talking to me about the wonders of a classic vehicle that has just been electrified. What the hell is the point and if they cannot understand that then they have never understood the point in the first place.

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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newsatten said:
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Yeah the Savoy guy may just have changed the add location and wacked up the price! they say god loves a trier lol................

And yes your right regarding the Restomods, cost serious money to put together, The Ford does look good, and has lots of trick bits, stance looks right, apart from the dodgy later type dash looks a weapon ,
The Challenger however for me looks like its been done in a back yard in Tijuana, hey gringo you wanna see ma sister ! laugh
Just looks naff, maybe because ive a real one im bias , but the colour/wheel combo is crap, the dash is just horrible, the perfect example of how not the Restomod a muscle car lol.............................

I appreciate it takes all sorts, but to me these are old cars, and a big part of there charm/character is the fact they drive like old cars!
Simple uncomplicated fun, but as ive said takes all sorts, and i guess the Tesla/Durcel powered Fastback cant be far off, if it doesn't already exits laugh

On a more serious note RR your right about using my skill set to earn a few quid, something ive never done outside work,
Ive always used my skill set as a way of having something nice as a toy that i wouldn't have otherwised been able to afford,
So for the first time im actually looking for a project with a view of improving and flogging laugh

With your talents and knowledge would be wasted if you didn't turn it around to your advantage,

All you got to do is look at your Challenger to see what you are capable of.

It's just a case of getting your head around combining your hobby with a added income.

Ask anyone else to put a 100 hours in for next to nothing, Friends and relatives are the worst , not to bad if they return the favour and

help you out with what ever skill they have but as a rule you don't see their ass for dust.

What you said about the restomod Challenger being built by someone in Tijuana reminds me of that program that the Asian and cockney

guys build the most horrific custom/modified cars somewhere in east London,for the life of me i can't remember the name of the program.

I agree a old car should drive like one ,think it's ok to improve things like stroked engines, disc brakes replacing drums and rack and pinion

replacing a woolly steering box. drive a 60's Mustang with this mod and it's a different car.

I had a restomod 64 Le Camino,apart from the lowered suspension and 18" wheels looked standard but all running gear and suspension

was modern,thought perfect classic looks with modern tech ,easy to drive ,got my cake and eat it but found myself bored driving it,

Come to the conclusion that i might as well drive a modern BMW, Merc or Jag as a daily but not so cool i must admit.

Missed the character of a 60's yank, sold it to a mate who lives in central London so ideal for him.

Regarding the Savoy i hadn't thought about it could be the same guy different location, just assumed it was 2 different sellers, if it was that easy everybody would be trying to do it.

Not holding my breath but someones coming to see the Ruby tomorrow morning so hope the the rain stays off for a few hours

didn't ask any silly questions just is it still for sale and when can i see it.always a good sign.

Only serious enquiry i've had so watch this space .

PS - Funny part is i'm writing this while watching "Dad's Army"










Edited by rat rod on Saturday 24th October 20:59

rat rod

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Saturday 24th October 2020
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SRT Hellcat said:
newsatten said:
I appreciate it takes all sorts, but to me these are old cars, and a big part of there charm/character is the fact they drive like old cars!
Simple uncomplicated fun, but as ive said takes all sorts, and i guess the Tesla/Durcel powered Fastback cant be far off, if it doesn't already exits laugh
I cringe when someone starts talking to me about the wonders of a classic vehicle that has just been electrified. What the hell is the point and if they cannot understand that then they have never understood the point in the first place.
Prime example of if you got to ask the question you wouldn't understand the answer.

Got no problem with cars like the Tesla's as they are what they are,even BMW's, Jags and Merc's are quiet if not a AMG .

90% of a classic car is the noise ,no noise no theatre .electric E Type,Mustang even a DB 5 now ,who thought that was a good idea.

Beam me up Scotty rolleyes