Why so high?

Why so high?

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newsatten

713 posts

78 months

Tuesday 25th August 2020
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But do they sell??
We can all ask crazy money for stuff
I do agree there seems to be a band wagon rolling,
But the paying public sets to price by actually paying,
If a mediocre GT350 comes to the market at 100k and some one buys it
Job done , the price has been set.
Your Chevy is a sensible buy ,
We all love em , and they will always be desirable,
At 13000 job done ,
I just laugh when I see totall dogs like the 69 mustang on eBay at 20k
But if some tt actually buys it at 20 or near ,
Puka ones will be 40 plus all day
Ridiculous I know but it's the spiral

rat rod

1,588 posts

29 months

Tuesday 25th August 2020
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newsatten said:
Yeah i know what you mean about some muscle cars are just too big for a manual box, sounds stupid when a say it, but its true, the art of navigating a 2 ton barge, around our roads can be exhausting !
And if you go for the true muscle experience , no pas , no brakes ! manual box with a bench seat your really really brave laugh
I'l never forget a test ride in a composed 440-6 69' Road Runner, no power options , full reverse manual valve trans, and column shifter.
Ho Ma Daz, what a thing, Quick and scary, but a complete pig to use, looked fab as all 69 runners do, and with a lift off hood just the nuts,
but that was it, just to much like hard work,

To me these things are for using, not showing off at some poncy show , and how they drive and behave is paramount to me, doors need to close and lock properly, windows should lift and drop without fuss , seats should function without drama, ive seen tons of so called restored cars that just don't .

All the stuff we take for granted on a modern car really applies just the same to old motors, if its nice to use you will use it!!!!
Ive still got some niggles, Rattles drive me nuts, but old cars with cart spring rear , will never be silent in use, and i thought the chally was
a bit lumpy in this department, till i had a ride in my mates early Ali lotus cortina, good grief, a 60K car and it drives like s--- and is soooooo slowwwwwwwww!

Why do prople rate these things ????


Edited by newsatten on Tuesday 25th August 12:09
Dam those investors as soon as prices ease that might let us have our hobby back again and drive our dream rides once again. Worst part is most not all haven't got the passion for these cars only see them as a fashion novelty and investment,When i advertised my daughters Mustang convertible and sold it to a tweedy guy that didn't have a clue what he was buying apart from it was a Mustang and had joined the Mustang owners club already, I had a Pontiac Catalina convertible at the time that i wanted to sell and mentioned to anyone who phoned on the now sold Mustang and not one of them knew what i was talking about, totally clueless what a Pontiac was let alone a Catalina ,they only understood a Mustang which has become an American MG B to us in the UK.
Always nice to meet like minded people who speak the same language and know what a header is and a Holley isn't something you hang on your Christmas tree.
You are wright about driveability , there was a Super Bee clone advertised that i was interested in, more for the engine than anything else with a huge spec 440 at around 30k and still needing some paintwork but the lack of power steering or brakes put me off a little ,would feel like a barge to manoeuvre in tight spaces where with power steering would at least make the car feel smaller in size ,all this can be added at a later date but at that price range there's plenty cars around with these items factory fitted already and it's a clone at the end of the day,
Little touches like your windows going up and down smoothly especially manual ones ,there's nothing worse than a stiff jerky movement and heaters that blow hot air in the summer or cold air in the winter,all these things drives me mad,because people use there cars so occasionally they seem happy to live with it.
It's lovely to have a fully loaded car especially a chrome and fin's car but so many don't have the electric seats or windows working ,I had a couple of 59 Caddy's and spent month's and month's getting everything working as it should ,on the other hand i had a poverty stricken 54 Buick Special convertible that had nothing apart from a power roof, no power brakes ,steering ,windows nothing ,remember the manual windows glided up and down a treat for some reason ,being on crossplys the steering wasn't to heavy but looked like you were drunk when in the inside lane of the motorway but i'm sure you know all about that (crossplys not being drunk).
Thought it was just me being a bit girly with the pistol grip on the roadrunner but i think you are wright that sometimes a larger yank doesn't suit a manual and maybe a auto with a quick shifter would be a compromise instead of manual,After all how often do you see a manual drag racer .
My 440 Challenger had a after market ratchet type quick shift as it was a road going drag car and was so much better than the slap stick auto shift on the standard 383 RT i had ,but there again i wouldn't want to cut the centre consul about on that one. That's the good thing about driving a modified car ,you can do what you like as it's gone beyond the point of no return already, depends if your into matching numbers and originality which seemed to mattered less in the day, when things were more fun for a lot less money. sorry sounding my age now where as the younger ones on the forum don't know any different which is the more positive way of looking at things i suppose.






Edited by rat rod on Tuesday 25th August 20:48

newsatten

713 posts

78 months

Wednesday 26th August 2020
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Ha Ha, yeah at this particular moment in time im glad my Chally's a slusher!
im currently waiting to have left knee replacement , so the thought of a heavy clutch and the completely rammed roads here due to thousands of DFL's and house building everywhere so horrifying laugh

But at some point me knee will be fixed and a manual will back tops again !
Still think they are more suited to mid size cars, but may be were just getting old LOL...................

I really cant see there's any chance of returning to the old day pricing, these will just keep spiraling up wards, its all about desirability, and a different type of buyer,
As Rat Rod said and other guy on here , the Chino and Check shirt brigade are buying these to go with the E' and the Ferrari.

Mid to late 60' Mustangs have always been popular, pretty cars with a old school chrome look, same with earlier Vetts , same vibe.

Im currently looking for a suitable second car, to use as a sort of daily, just smoke it to work etc,but i fear this will be up hill task!
I should have gone for a nice 340 Dodge Demon that was advertised, a couple of months ago at around 15K , Which was just about right ,
Now its back up for sale with a dealer at £26K
Which ironically still looks good value when compered to poxy Cortina's and Escorts at 40-60K

So get over it people these stupid prices are here to stay, Bargains due to Covid are a pipe dream.




rat rod

1,588 posts

29 months

Friday 28th August 2020
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newsatten said:
Ha Ha, yeah at this particular moment in time im glad my Chally's a slusher!
im currently waiting to have left knee replacement , so the thought of a heavy clutch and the completely rammed roads here due to thousands of DFL's and house building everywhere so horrifying laugh

But at some point me knee will be fixed and a manual will back tops again !
Still think they are more suited to mid size cars, but may be were just getting old LOL...................

I really cant see there's any chance of returning to the old day pricing, these will just keep spiraling up wards, its all about desirability, and a different type of buyer,
As Rat Rod said and other guy on here , the Chino and Check shirt brigade are buying these to go with the E' and the Ferrari.

Mid to late 60' Mustangs have always been popular, pretty cars with a old school chrome look, same with earlier Vetts , same vibe.

Im currently looking for a suitable second car, to use as a sort of daily, just smoke it to work etc,but i fear this will be up hill task!
I should have gone for a nice 340 Dodge Demon that was advertised, a couple of months ago at around 15K , Which was just about right ,
Now its back up for sale with a dealer at £26K
Which ironically still looks good value when compered to poxy Cortina's and Escorts at 40-60K

So get over it people these stupid prices are here to stay, Bargains due to Covid are a pipe dream.



I think you are wright looking at the prices they seem to be going up again where as prices of prestige cars are dropping and still not selling.
With the prices in the states as high as they are and the low pound less cars are coming over so we have to make the most of what we got.
Like the Demon you mentioned going from £15k to £26k there was a Hertz Mustand Shelby clone on "Car and Classic" web site a couple of weeks ago from a dealer who normally sells British classics for £37k it sold within 24 hours and reappear on the same site even using the same photo.s for £45k ,again disappeared within another 24 hours, it's just been put on the same web site again for £54,995 by i think the same garage that had the Demon ,How's that for inflation £20k profit in less than a couple of weeks probably with no work carried out as the car looked mint on the first ad.I know they got to sell it yet but that's their job and won't give it away.
My friend who has a Lamborghini Diablo, four Countach's yes four, two Porsche 911's one drop nose Turbo and a Carrera RS real one not a clone,MK1 Lotus Cortina, a classic Brabham single seater race car hanging from his ceiling ,a Mercedes stacked headlight 6.3 as well a collection of race winning bikes rode by famous rider's , the only reason i am mentioning this is he came with me to a few American car show's and caught the bug and now has a 64 C2 roadster , 68 Charger, 59 Impala coupe 409 with triple carb set up,two 68 Mustangs fastbacks ,one 390 and not sure what the other one is keeping his other classics company .Just saying as this is what's going on in the top end of the market and people like Roy Holmes from the Mustang Workshop in Hook now does full nut and bolt restorations and upgrades for mainly London based bankers ,footballers with open cheque books and has customers in France and Spain who pay him to fly out and repair their cars. If my mate wasn't such a lovely guy with a real passion for classic cars and bikes i would be jealous but he's just a normal bloke who's done well for himself .
Oh ye he's just bought himself a classic Riva speed boat as you do and he can't even swim. P.S My old Buick Special convertible i mentioned has just been put on "Car and Classic" this morning ,now repainted,new leather interior and engine and gearbox overhauled ( was smoky when i had it) looking stunning
£30k which i thought is reasonable for a 50's convertible in todays market, if Dream Cars had it would be up for £40k/£50k mark but a long way from the £8,500 i paid for it, need to sell something ,missing all these bargains

Edited by rat rod on Friday 28th August 02:31

NMNeil

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Friday 28th August 2020
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rat rod

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Friday 28th August 2020
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NMNeil said:
Ye i think they may be cheaper here in the UK. Somebody i know who owns a Porsche specialist but has a huge collection of yanks ,top stuff like a Super Bird,Chrysler lettered convertible car,53/59 Caddy El Dorado's so on.
He buys most of his cars at Barrett and Jackson as although he knows he's paying top dollar he can get as close to the colour,engine , transmission and spec that he wants where there is so much choice.
He took two cars and entered them back in Barrett and Jackson auction as the offers over here were so low and showing a big loss,a 58 Impala coupe in black nut and bolt restoration and a 32 Ford model B roadster hot rod,
Highest offer over here on the Impala was £35k and not sure what he was offered for the rod.
The Impala sold for the equivalent of £75k which made him a good profit and he got his money back on the rod.
Sold both cars and bought three as you do. This is his hobby and sells Porsche's for a living ,he knows that it is unlikely that he will make a profit or maybe even a loss if he decides to sell over here but most are keepers so not a issue for him.
Seems that most American cars coming over here now are very average but if you are doing it for a living they seem to be what is available at a price where you can make a profit ,the better stuff commanding higher prices on their home market .
Lucky most American car buyers don't mind getting their hands dirty and can make these cars into something special.

SRT Hellcat

6,505 posts

181 months

Friday 28th August 2020
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rat rod said:
I think you are wright looking at the prices they seem to be going up again where as prices of prestige cars are dropping and still not selling.
With the prices in the states as high as they are and the low pound less cars are coming over so we have to make the most of what we got.
Like the Demon you mentioned going from £15k to £26k there was a Hertz Mustand Shelby clone on "Car and Classic" web site a couple of weeks ago from a dealer who normally sells British classics for £37k it sold within 24 hours and reappear on the same site even using the same photo.s for £45k ,again disappeared within another 24 hours, it's just been put on the same web site again for £54,995 by i think the same garage that had the Demon ,How's that for inflation £20k profit in less than a couple of weeks probably with no work carried out as the car looked mint on the first ad.I know they got to sell it yet but that's their job and won't give it away.
My friend who has a Lamborghini Diablo, four Countach's yes four, two Porsche 911's one drop nose Turbo and a Carrera RS real one not a clone,MK1 Lotus Cortina, a classic Brabham single seater race car hanging from his ceiling ,a Mercedes stacked headlight 6.3 as well a collection of race winning bikes rode by famous rider's , the only reason i am mentioning this is he came with me to a few American car show's and caught the bug and now has a 64 C2 roadster , 68 Charger, 59 Impala coupe 409 with triple carb set up,two 68 Mustangs fastbacks ,one 390 and not sure what the other one is keeping his other classics company .Just saying as this is what's going on in the top end of the market and people like Roy Holmes from the Mustang Workshop in Hook now does full nut and bolt restorations and upgrades for mainly London based bankers ,footballers with open cheque books and has customers in France and Spain who pay him to fly out and repair their cars. If my mate wasn't such a lovely guy with a real passion for classic cars and bikes i would be jealous but he's just a normal bloke who's done well for himself .
Oh ye he's just bought himself a classic Riva speed boat as you do and he can't even swim. P.S My old Buick Special convertible i mentioned has just been put on "Car and Classic" this morning ,now repainted,new leather interior and engine and gearbox overhauled ( was smoky when i had it) looking stunning
£30k which i thought is reasonable for a 50's convertible in todays market, if Dream Cars had it would be up for £40k/£50k mark but a long way from the £8,500 i paid for it, need to sell something ,missing all these bargains

Edited by rat rod on Friday 28th August 02:31
I am guessing that your friends initials are MP. If so. He is a great guy and I love his Impala. He's taken it down to LeMans a few times.

rat rod

1,588 posts

29 months

Friday 28th August 2020
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SRT Hellcat said:
I am guessing that your friends initials are MP. If so. He is a great guy and I love his Impala. He's taken it down to LeMans a few times.
Spot on. I suppose it didn't take a lot of working out ,not many with those type of cars mixed together, very eclectic taste has Mike.
Went to his track days at Goodwood back in the day ,great to see 5 Countach's blasting down the pit straight all on sports exhaust ,
Won't be seeing that again any time soon with all the noise restrictions .

newsatten

713 posts

78 months

Friday 28th August 2020
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laugh

5 Lambo's the mind boggles. lucky sod !






rat rod

1,588 posts

29 months

Friday 28th August 2020
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newsatten said:
laugh

5 Lambo's the mind boggles. lucky sod !





Not just 5 Lambo's but 5 Classic Countach's on open pipes all on 6 twin choke webbers. it's enough to make a grown man cry with emotion.

newsatten

713 posts

78 months

Friday 28th August 2020
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Your old Buick the one for sale in Sweden ???
good looking car, top up or down biggrin

im seriously now looking for a drive way motor, there's a few on for sale but just to far for me to view, there was a Dart advertised near me during lockdown , pretty sure its still around down here, as we saw a gold one couple of weeks ago , which looked like the same car?

Think its going to be interesting finding a real world car in these very strange times laugh

newsatten

713 posts

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Friday 28th August 2020
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This would do laugh

rat rod

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Friday 28th August 2020
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newsatten said:
Your old Buick the one for sale in Sweden ???
good looking car, top up or down biggrin

im seriously now looking for a drive way motor, there's a few on for sale but just to far for me to view, there was a Dart advertised near me during lockdown , pretty sure its still around down here, as we saw a gold one couple of weeks ago , which looked like the same car?

Think its going to be interesting finding a real world car in these very strange times laugh
No it's in Scotland, at the moment it's the first car under Buick , It's under the classic car heading not American cars for some reason,ref no is C1260324, just had a look,surprised it's still there.
If you keep your ear to the ground you may come across something by word and mouth unlike a advert where there's always someone trying to buy the car from under you
Is there anything on the Mopar site or Car and Classic ,there's always quite a few yanks on there .
Going into winter and with these uncertain times there may be a few more cars about.My son finds some cheap cars on this " Market Place " and most seem to be fairly local .
Plymouth looks as about as mean as it gets, real bad boys car. It's the same shape as my 1971 Petty Road Runner.
Nick Pettitt has pt1 and pt 2 on You Tube of the 1st annual Redhill cruise ,not sure when it was but i think it was quite recent, Oh my God it was like the Chelsea,Guildford cruise in it's hayday with American Graffiti thrown in. Never seen so many yanks,rods,Harley's with cars cruising all night,it looked fantastic. well worth a look but they are almost a hour long each.Not many E body cars only saw one white Challenger and i think what was a yellow Cuda on steels with dog dish caps,only caught a glimpse of it.
When they say annual not sure if that means yearly or monthly but would love to go up to it.,nice to see a moving motor show just like Chelsea was like in the day.

newsatten

713 posts

78 months

Saturday 29th August 2020
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The Buick looks a lovely lovely car, and goes to illustrate what ive be banging on about how good a deal is can be buying a restored car that someone else has paid for!

Factor the purchase price, then the bare metal repaint on a car this size, then the mechanical work, full leather retrim, all that chroming, the list goes on!

So 30K may seem a lot buts its a bargain even if its half done right!
Comes right back to desirability, Fabulous car but a tiny pool of potential buyers,

Saw the Redhill thing awhile ago, looked like the old days!
its not to far from me, so i'l keep a look out to see if its a regular thing, my Challenger lived in East Grinstead for 15 years prior to me purchasing it, so it would be sort of going homelaugh

Stuck out where i am, and being out of the restoration business there's no way i'd hear of anything suitable on the jungle drums,
Its not a big deal really, if i find something ok, if i dont no matter as i still have a niggle to try and find my bucket list car, so may consider
looking for a suitable TA and then move the RT on,
The down side of doing it this way is it would take a chunk of our savings and i wouldn't really know what sort of cash the Challenger would return,
Hey Ho its all part of the chase , which makes it fun............................................

AW111

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Saturday 29th August 2020
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newsatten said:


This would do laugh
There's a very odd optical illusion there, where the scoop looks to be recessed into the bonnet.

newsatten

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Saturday 29th August 2020
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Yeah it does laugh

newsatten

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Saturday 29th August 2020
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Air Grabber Hood,

newsatten

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Saturday 29th August 2020
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Another great looking car,

rat rod

1,588 posts

29 months

Sunday 30th August 2020
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newsatten said:
The Buick looks a lovely lovely car, and goes to illustrate what ive be banging on about how good a deal is can be buying a restored car that someone else has paid for!

Factor the purchase price, then the bare metal repaint on a car this size, then the mechanical work, full leather retrim, all that chroming, the list goes on!

So 30K may seem a lot buts its a bargain even if its half done right!
Comes right back to desirability, Fabulous car but a tiny pool of potential buyers,

Saw the Redhill thing awhile ago, looked like the old days!
its not to far from me, so i'l keep a look out to see if its a regular thing, my Challenger lived in East Grinstead for 15 years prior to me purchasing it, so it would be sort of going homelaugh

Stuck out where i am, and being out of the restoration business there's no way i'd hear of anything suitable on the jungle drums,
Its not a big deal really, if i find something ok, if i dont no matter as i still have a niggle to try and find my bucket list car, so may consider
looking for a suitable TA and then move the RT on,
The down side of doing it this way is it would take a chunk of our savings and i wouldn't really know what sort of cash the Challenger would return,
Hey Ho its all part of the chase , which makes it fun............................................
Ye the price of the Buick is much the same of a very nice 2000 RS Escort mk 1,hard to believe but as you said very few buyers for the Buick where you probably would sell 10 RS 2000 's to the one Buick. Mind you there are a lot more Escorts than Buick convertibles,find another.
The cost of the restoration must have come close to the asking price so why buy one that needs work unless it's significantly cheaper and you can do most of the work yourself much like you.
The car was in really excellent condition ,interior was almost perfect,older repaint with one or two marks but considering it was black it was fine and chrome was good with a little tarnished but serviceable .The guy who is advertising it must have wanted it perfect but i was and still would be happy to drive it as it was.
It's a double edged sword when you have to part with a car you love especially the Challenger that you have put so much of yourself into it then buy another car that you hope you will love even more,I purpose that's what has to be done if any hope of getting though that bucket list,
I do envy people who are happy with what they got instead of always looking for the next one or maybe that would be boring,as you said it's the chase that's enjoyable. Must be fantastic to just keep adding as there's a reason why we buy a certain car in the first place.
The guy who owns all the cars i mentioned has never sold any of his cars apart from the ones he bought to sell on. anyway When i asked him if he would sell any of his collection he just said ,why would i do that. If you have the money and the space don't think any of us would part with our toys.Why would you.


Edited by rat rod on Sunday 30th August 00:20

newsatten

713 posts

78 months

Sunday 30th August 2020
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laugh

Unfortunately ive no money and no room lol.................................
For me its a lottery win dream to have the funds and the time and the space to be able to indulge ones passions for these things !
Your pal is very lucky,

A few years ago i actually viewed and had a run out in the same car that started me on the long American Road, its was a sad looking car compared to when i first went out in it back in the mid 70's ,
A guy in Hertfordshire had it, think it was around 12K, its original 400 motor had been replaced, the M22 had also gone, the body had some horrendous welding repairs done, it was still White with the Metallic Blue trim, it needed a ton of work, but it was on the road and sort of usable
i walked away, regretted that decision ever since !!
and even though ive had 4 TA's over the years and a lovely 72 Esprit, a 73 Formula 455, the pull to actually own a proper 400 Ram air
manual car wont go away ........................................

I'm also very aware of the old saying never meet ones hero's ,
So maybe trying to find a suitable car before selling the Dodge would be a good idea, hedging ones bets so to speak!

I'l keep a look out and see what if any thing comes up, on the flip side i may get made redundant soon so this all may be completely academiclaugh