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SRT Hellcat

7,032 posts

217 months

Monday 15th April
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Oneball said:
Todays race was good. First time I’ve actually felt at one with the Vette, so looking better for this season, it’s taken a while to get used to the grip levels compared with the Dunlop X plies I’ve race on for 20 years. Finished 10th. 3rd in class.

Live stream here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MD_0w5hQttc
I am glad it all went well for you. It sounds like you will move to the front of the pack very soon smile

Oneball

855 posts

87 months

Monday 15th April
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Not sure about that I’m probably 200-300bhp down on the other C3 from the weekend.

Good fun though and next races should be better, quite a lot of people hadn’t got their cars ready in time for this first race.

ratrod 2

987 posts

9 months

Monday 15th April
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newsatten said:
Any way enough of that smut! Lol
One for Nij,
Sold for £29,750 , Where were you Nij.

Just when Ferrari prices seem to be dropping

a 67 Mustang Fastback sold at Bonhams Members Meeting yesterday for £93,150, yikes

Yes it was a 390 GT manual but must be some sort of record here in the UK.

aeropilot

34,629 posts

227 months

Monday 15th April
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ratrod 2 said:
a 67 Mustang Fastback sold at Bonhams Members Meeting yesterday for £93,150, yikes

Yes it was a 390 GT manual but must be some sort of record here in the UK.
Blimey...........eek

The Mustang obsession is still alive and well in the UK then.


roscobbc

3,369 posts

242 months

Monday 15th April
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aeropilot said:
ratrod 2 said:
a 67 Mustang Fastback sold at Bonhams Members Meeting yesterday for £93,150, yikes

Yes it was a 390 GT manual but must be some sort of record here in the UK.
Blimey...........eek

The Mustang obsession is still alive and well in the UK then.
Don't get it! - absolutely crazy money to pay for what sounds like just a couple of steps-up from an 'ordinary' Mustang gt.....perhaps it has 'something' not initially apparent? - mind you (and speaking for myself here........include yourselves if appropriate) - but guessing we would each look and relate to car prices in increments of perhaps £5k or £10k and maybe dismissing a car, say where the asking price is £50K (when we believe it should be £35K max.) and knowing that a supposedly 'cheeky' (but albeit realistic) bid will be ignored. I have never hankered after a Muira as (for me anyway) they have always been financially unattainable. It was reading the Muira article that made me 'muse' on how someone would deal with a potential purchase where the difference in asking price and selling price could be be hundred's of thousands of pounds and comfortably 'cover' one (several, perhaps!) of our desired classics. Perhaps the purchaser of the Mustang GT had sufficient funds to purchase a far higher priced vehicle and paying what we consider a price perhaps £30K or so 'over the top' meant nothing to him/her. ?

ratrod 2

987 posts

9 months

Monday 15th April
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roscobbc said:
aeropilot said:
ratrod 2 said:
a 67 Mustang Fastback sold at Bonhams Members Meeting yesterday for £93,150, yikes

Yes it was a 390 GT manual but must be some sort of record here in the UK.
Blimey...........eek

The Mustang obsession is still alive and well in the UK then.
Don't get it! - absolutely crazy money to pay for what sounds like just a couple of steps-up from an 'ordinary' Mustang gt.....perhaps it has 'something' not initially apparent? - mind you (and speaking for myself here........include yourselves if appropriate) - but guessing we would each look and relate to car prices in increments of perhaps £5k or £10k and maybe dismissing a car, say where the asking price is £50K (when we believe it should be £35K max.) and knowing that a supposedly 'cheeky' (but albeit realistic) bid will be ignored. I have never hankered after a Muira as (for me anyway) they have always been financially unattainable. It was reading the Muira article that made me 'muse' on how someone would deal with a potential purchase where the difference in asking price and selling price could be be hundred's of thousands of pounds and comfortably 'cover' one (several, perhaps!) of our desired classics. Perhaps the purchaser of the Mustang GT had sufficient funds to purchase a far higher priced vehicle and paying what we consider a price perhaps £30K or so 'over the top' meant nothing to him/her. ?
Loose change to some of these guys who go to the Members Meeting ,the winning bidder probably has a Miura plus

other exotics in his stable,

Plus one upmanship once bidding in front of his chums where he can afford to go on and not effect his bank balance one bit,

Watching the 30 strong Mustang race edging him on plus a new topic at the dinner party how he bought his Mustang at Bonhams

while at Goodwood all ads to the pomp and ceremony with these type of people,

He wouldn't have dremp of paying that type of money say from a on-line auction or ebay,

Sold my 68 Bullitt which was basically a dark green fastback with a set of touque thrusts fitted for £18K back in 2007

the guy when i asked did he have any other classic's reluctantly said ,well yes, a Derby Bentely , 2 Aston's,one being a V 600

a E Type and a Dino ,he was one of the smart toff's who got in before prices of fake Bullitt's and Shelby's went bonckers.





Edited by ratrod 2 on Monday 15th April 21:28

aeropilot

34,629 posts

227 months

Monday 15th April
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roscobbc said:
Perhaps the purchaser of the Mustang GT had sufficient funds to purchase a far higher priced vehicle and paying what we consider a price perhaps £30K or so 'over the top' meant nothing to him/her. ?
Almost certainley.

Its what often jacks up the price, especially if there a two people involved in a bidding war where for both, 20-30-40k is what they'd find in loose change down the back of the sofa.....


newsatten

3,328 posts

114 months

Monday 15th April
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ratrod 2 said:
Loose change to some of these guys who go to the Members Meeting ,the winning bidder probably has a Miura plus

other exotics in his stable,

Plus one upmanship once bidding in front of his chums were he can afford to go on and not effect his bank balance one bit,

Watching the 30 strong Mustang race edging him on plus a new topic at the dinner party how he bought his Mustang at Bonhams

while at Goodwood all ads to the pomp and ceremony with these type of people,

He wouldn't have dremp of paying that type of money say from a on-line auction or ebay,

Sold my 68 Bullitt which was basically a dark green fastback with a set of touque thrusts fitted for £18K back in 2007

the guy when i asked did he have any other classic's reluctantly sad ,well yes, a Derby Bentely , 2 Aston's,one being a V 600

a E Type and a Dino ,he was one of the smart toff's who got in before prices of fake Bullitt's and Shelby's went bonckers.
Yep agreed
Bread and butter cars are struggling, just no actual buyers,
Which is a shame , trouble is we now tend to think “30k “
Well that’s not to bad!!!
Try coming up with it if you’ve got 10k to spare,
Toffs will always large it up , probably get done big time
But if one’s minted, meh just loose change to these folks

As I’ve said before, I love the old yanks but they ain’t super cars !
Nor should they be super expensive
But ……..,,,,,

SS427 Camaro

6,492 posts

170 months

Monday 15th April
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ratrod 2 said:
Sold for £29,750 , Where were you Nij.

Just when Ferrari prices seem to be dropping

a 67 Mustang Fastback sold at Bonhams Members Meeting yesterday for £93,150, yikes

Yes it was a 390 GT manual but must be some sort of record here in the UK.
Who ever paid that for a Donkey engined Mustang, must need their head examined. The Bullitt hype is what is driving the £$ values of these, but the 390GT was a slow reving understeering hand full.

ratrod 2

987 posts

9 months

Tuesday 16th April
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SS427 Camaro said:
ratrod 2 said:
Sold for £29,750 , Where were you Nij.

Just when Ferrari prices seem to be dropping

a 67 Mustang Fastback sold at Bonhams Members Meeting yesterday for £93,150, yikes

Yes it was a 390 GT manual but must be some sort of record here in the UK.
Who ever paid that for a Donkey engined Mustang, must need their head examined. The Bullitt hype is what is driving the £$ values of these, but the 390GT was a slow reving understeering hand full.
Probably won't even drive it or if he does it will be so slowly he won't even notice the understeer,

Unlike these toff's my wish list is mostly cars that i have already owned and realise i need them back in my life

and should never have sold them in the first place either because life got in the way or to move on to the next one on my list.

Unlike nat who is probably having to pinch himself that he finally ownes his dream T/Am the Mustang was bought on a whim

and will be sold the same way.

roscobbc

3,369 posts

242 months

Tuesday 16th April
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SS427 Camaro said:
ratrod 2 said:
Sold for £29,750 , Where were you Nij.

Just when Ferrari prices seem to be dropping

a 67 Mustang Fastback sold at Bonhams Members Meeting yesterday for £93,150, yikes

Yes it was a 390 GT manual but must be some sort of record here in the UK.
Who ever paid that for a Donkey engined Mustang, must need their head examined. The Bullitt hype is what is driving the £$ values of these, but the 390GT was a slow reving understeering hand full.
Agree with you to a point........however, FE 390 is still the same basic engine design as 428 CJ, which itself was effectively a lower manufacturing cost derivative of Fords infamous 406/427 engine..........one can draw some parallels with Chevy's 396, 427 and 454 engines, which although a newer design perhaps a good few years later differed widely like the FE in terms of standard output. Chevy big block has had the benefit of over 50 years of aftermarket development. Ford big block, far less so except for a few relatively recent specialist, expensive stroker jobs. But, yes in truth FE 390 in passenger car lopo 2bbl or 4bbl configuration can be a 'slug'.......put it in a lighter body and it does better................

Edited by roscobbc on Tuesday 16th April 01:05

newsatten

3,328 posts

114 months

Tuesday 16th April
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roscobbc said:
SS427 Camaro said:
ratrod 2 said:
Sold for £29,750 , Where were you Nij.

Just when Ferrari prices seem to be dropping

a 67 Mustang Fastback sold at Bonhams Members Meeting yesterday for £93,150, yikes

Yes it was a 390 GT manual but must be some sort of record here in the UK.
Who ever paid that for a Donkey engined Mustang, must need their head examined. The Bullitt hype is what is driving the £$ values of these, but the 390GT was a slow reving understeering hand full.
Agree with you to a point........however, FE 390 is still the same basic engine design as 428 CJ, which itself was effectively a lower manufacturing cost derivative of Fords infamous 406/427 engine..........one can draw some parallels with Chevy's 396, 427 and 454 engines, which although a newer design perhaps a good few years later differed widely like the FE in terms of standard output. Chevy big block has had the benefit of over 50 years of aftermarket development. Ford big block, far less so except for a few relatively recent specialist, expensive stroker jobs. But, yes in truth FE 390 in passenger car lopo 2bbl or 4bbl configuration can be a 'slug'.......put it in a lighter body and it does better................



Pretty much really what this thread started with,
There always going to be cars brought and sold that seems to defy all manner of normal logic!
Sierra’s making over 100k, Lancia’s the same
It’s all part of this scene,

Top spec E’ ot’s regularly made well over 100k
Not now, times change and so does fashion and whatever is trending at the the time,

I caught a advertisement video last night for a 70’ TA
Fully restored in Lucerne Blue, Automatic Air con etc,
Looked very very nice , but at $135k really
As someone said “ it’s just a number “ hehe

But looking at it all shiny and new reinforced my idea to Rat my one, then watched an old “House of muscle “
About good ol boys ragging there very dodgy old muscle cars around,
It gets more appealing every day!!

ratrod 2

987 posts

9 months

Tuesday 16th April
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newsatten said:
Agree with you to a point........however, FE 390 is still the same basic engine design as 428 CJ, which itself was effectively a lower manufacturing cost derivative of Fords infamous 406/427 engine..........one can draw some parallels with Chevy's 396, 427 and 454 engines, which although a newer design perhaps a good few years later differed widely like the FE in terms of standard output. Chevy big block has had the benefit of over 50 years of aftermarket development. Ford big block, far less so except for a few relatively recent specialist, expensive stroker jobs. But, yes in truth FE 390 in passenger car lopo 2bbl or 4bbl configuration can be a 'slug'.......put it in a lighter body and it does better................



Pretty much really what this thread started with,
There always going to be cars brought and sold that seems to defy all manner of normal logic!
Sierra’s making over 100k, Lancia’s the same
It’s all part of this scene,

Top spec E’ ot’s regularly made well over 100k
Not now, times change and so does fashion and whatever is trending at the the time,

I caught a advertisement video last night for a 70’ TA
Fully restored in Lucerne Blue, Automatic Air con etc,
Looked very very nice , but at $135k really
As someone said “ it’s just a number “ hehe

But looking at it all shiny and new reinforced my idea to Rat my one, then watched an old “House of muscle “
About good ol boys ragging there very dodgy old muscle cars around,
It gets more appealing every day!!
We have both have had shinny and 10 yard cars and i find myself with a more relaxed attitude towards the latter,

No more getting a long range weather forecast before leaving the garage, not to bothered if it has to spend a night or two outside,

No more driving round in circles looking for a safer parking spot and above all more driving than polishing.driving,



newsatten

3,328 posts

114 months

Tuesday 16th April
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ratrod 2 said:
newsatten said:
Agree with you to a point........however, FE 390 is still the same basic engine design as 428 CJ, which itself was effectively a lower manufacturing cost derivative of Fords infamous 406/427 engine..........one can draw some parallels with Chevy's 396, 427 and 454 engines, which although a newer design perhaps a good few years later differed widely like the FE in terms of standard output. Chevy big block has had the benefit of over 50 years of aftermarket development. Ford big block, far less so except for a few relatively recent specialist, expensive stroker jobs. But, yes in truth FE 390 in passenger car lopo 2bbl or 4bbl configuration can be a 'slug'.......put it in a lighter body and it does better................



Pretty much really what this thread started with,
There always going to be cars brought and sold that seems to defy all manner of normal logic!
Sierra’s making over 100k, Lancia’s the same
It’s all part of this scene,

Top spec E’ ot’s regularly made well over 100k
Not now, times change and so does fashion and whatever is trending at the the time,

I caught a advertisement video last night for a 70’ TA
Fully restored in Lucerne Blue, Automatic Air con etc,
Looked very very nice , but at $135k really
As someone said “ it’s just a number “ hehe

But looking at it all shiny and new reinforced my idea to Rat my one, then watched an old “House of muscle “
About good ol boys ragging there very dodgy old muscle cars around,
It gets more appealing every day!!
We have both have had shinny and 10 yard cars and i find myself with a more relaxed attitude towards the latter,

No more getting a long range weather forecast before leaving the garage, not to bothered if it has to spend a night or two outside,

No more driving round in circles looking for a safer parking spot and above all more driving than polishing.driving,


Absolutely,
Ok it may upset the rivet counters and all the show boaters but from a user perspective perfectly fits the bill!
I’ve never seemingly been able to do this in the past
but there’s no doubt about it ive definitely changed my attitude to lots of things I’ve thought and done previously.

Whether I’ll actually be able to keep to this ummm only time will tell!
It’s all hinges on whether I can without months of graft get it through the MOT,
If that’s reasonable easy to achieve without gutting the car, then that’s absolutely the way forward,
However if once home and semi pulled apart it becomes apparent that’s it’s Fooked then plan B
Will be implemented laugh

aeropilot

34,629 posts

227 months

Tuesday 16th April
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ratrod 2 said:
We have both have had shinny and 10 yard cars and i find myself with a more relaxed attitude towards the latter,

No more getting a long range weather forecast before leaving the garage, not to bothered if it has to spend a night or two outside,

No more driving round in circles looking for a safer parking spot and above all more driving than polishing.driving,
Yes, using hindsight, I'd go this route now, if making decision today, rather than the shiney-show route direction.
With increasing age comes an element of 'couldn't-give-a-fkitits' regarding OCD cleaning regime etc.


SS427 Camaro

6,492 posts

170 months

Wednesday 17th April
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Black 68 440cu Charger coming up for Auction on Car & Classic. Looks to have originally been red, column change, no console, wheels look so wrong, ARE or Minilites would transform it.
Hotchkiss rear anti roll bar and frame stiffeners.
The advert description is poor and very vague, surprised that they have let the advert on, with such a vague description. No Vin de code info either, which is vital for a Mopar.
It does have its / a build sheet ( which would have been inside one of the seats )

aeropilot

34,629 posts

227 months

Wednesday 17th April
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SS427 Camaro said:


Black 68 440cu Charger coming up for Auction on Car & Classic. Looks to have originally been red, column change, no console, wheels look so wrong, ARE or Minilites would transform it.
Hotchkiss rear anti roll bar and frame stiffeners.
The advert description is poor and very vague, surprised that they have let the advert on, with such a vague description. No Vin de code info either, which is vital for a Mopar.
It does have its / a build sheet ( which would have been inside one of the seats )
Seller also is incorrect in the '68 Charger being industry first with hidden headlights, as the Buick Rivera had it 3 years before the '68 Charger!

If its a real 440, and a column shift, no-console car, that would be unusual, although not super rare, as even a few Hemi cars got optioned with column shift auto's!


newsatten

3,328 posts

114 months

Wednesday 17th April
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All done and I now actually own my very own
701/2 Manual 400 RamAir 111 thumbup

Obviously it’s a feasting turd of a car, but it’s my turd!
Logistics being what they are can’t get it collected and delivered for a week, but hey ho ,
So having been completely sidetracked for the last 3 weeks I can get back to finding my wife a new car bless er,
She never moans or complains however that may change when she see my new Bird ,
hehe
So wife’s car and then I can get stuck in!!!

aeropilot

34,629 posts

227 months

Wednesday 17th April
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newsatten said:
All done and I now actually own my very own
701/2 Manual 400 RamAir 111 thumbup

Obviously it’s a feasting turd of a car, but it’s my turd!
beerbiggrin

some bloke

1,057 posts

67 months

Wednesday 17th April
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Congrats - that's peak muscle car right there. I hope your plans go smoothly and you're laying 11's before you know it.