RE: SSC Ultimate Aero TT
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how do they get so much power with only 16valves? I have difficulty understanding how all these cars make 1,000bhp plus when VW had so much trouble and decided they needed an 8litre, W16 with 64valves and 4 turbos. Why bother if you could just get a V8 and bolt on two turbos? And how do these cars deal with cooling? the veyron has 5(?) radiators for the engine, which have to dissipate nearly 1000bhp's worth of heat (apparently the veyron engine produces 3000bhp, 1000 goes to the exhaust and 1000 to drivetrain/cooling system, rest gets to the road) VW had a lot of problems with cooling/aerodynamics, how do these limited production car companies solve the problems so easily? I just don't believe it. This thing must have great aero to reach 270 with 'only' 1200bhp.
Edited by varsas on Tuesday 17th July 13:28
varsas said:
how do they get so much power with only 16valves? I have difficulty understanding how all these cars make 1,000bhp plus when VW had so much trouble and decided they needed an 8litre, W16 with 64valves and 4 turbos. Why bother if you could just get a V8 and bolt on two turbos? And how do these cars deal with cooling? the veyron has 5(?) radiators for the engine, which have to dissipate nearly 1000bhp's worth of heat (apparently the veyron engine produces 3000bhp, 1000 goes to the exhaust and 1000 to drivetrain/cooling system, rest gets to the road) VW had a lot of problems with cooling/aerodynamics, how do these limited production car companies solve the problems so easily? I just don't believe it. This thing must have great aero to reach 270 with 'only' 1200bhp.
sorry i dont understand that at allEdited by varsas on Tuesday 17th July 13:28
the veyron makes 3000 bhp but looses 2000 of it?!?! you might need to run that by me again
there seem to be loads of manufacturers suddenly trying to go faster that the veyron but they are missing the point of the veyron. the veyron isnt about the speed but the way it goes about it.
Well, it loses 'an amount' to the cooling system, more goes down the exhaust (as heat) you have to spin those turbos, how much power does that take? (the supercharger on a jaguar XKR takes about 80bhp IIRC). There's the friction of a 16cylinder engine turning at 6000rpm or the gearbox and diff spinning fast enough for the car to go 250mph. it seemed reasonable, petrol engines are not very efficient.
I read it in this magazine (focus)
www.focusmag.co.uk/viewIssue.asp?id=508
I read it in this magazine (focus)
www.focusmag.co.uk/viewIssue.asp?id=508
Edited by varsas on Wednesday 18th July 08:17
kingb said:
varsas said:
how do they get so much power with only 16valves? I have difficulty understanding how all these cars make 1,000bhp plus when VW had so much trouble and decided they needed an 8litre, W16 with 64valves and 4 turbos. Why bother if you could just get a V8 and bolt on two turbos? And how do these cars deal with cooling? the veyron has 5(?) radiators for the engine, which have to dissipate nearly 1000bhp's worth of heat (apparently the veyron engine produces 3000bhp, 1000 goes to the exhaust and 1000 to drivetrain/cooling system, rest gets to the road) VW had a lot of problems with cooling/aerodynamics, how do these limited production car companies solve the problems so easily? I just don't believe it. This thing must have great aero to reach 270 with 'only' 1200bhp.
sorry i dont understand that at allEdited by varsas on Tuesday 17th July 13:28
the veyron makes 3000 bhp but looses 2000 of it?!?! you might need to run that by me again
there seem to be loads of manufacturers suddenly trying to go faster that the veyron but they are missing the point of the veyron. the veyron isnt about the speed but the way it goes about it.
The Veyron did seem to pose VW a real packaging headache compared to these cars.
If you consider a massively boosted LS7 engine in a GTR, it will push 1000hp with negligible extra cooling over the standard 400-odd hp set up (thats my understanding, I'm open to correction). The Veyron was massively delayed in development by the need for sufficient cooling and the end result is the 5 radiators etc that it is equipped with.
It does seem amazing these cars can package 1000hp+ so easily. Or, if they were subject to a Nardo test and 10mins or so at WOT, would the engine survive?
If I was spending £350k on a car it'd have to feel special whether the engine was running or whether I'd just climbed in it with no intention of going anywhere...that interior is absolutely shocking! It's neither purposeful nor luxurious, it just looks crap! Surely the only people that would buy this would already have a Veyron, CCX and an Enzo...
Isn't it widely accepted that most Veyrons produce more than the quoted 1000bhp (nearer 1200) anyway?
I too am confused as to why other manufacturers are able to knock out a 1000bhp engine every month while the Veyron suffered such an elephantine gestation. I assume it is because the Veyron will do it all day long, rain, shine, arctic blizzard, Sahara desert where as the others will not?
I too am confused as to why other manufacturers are able to knock out a 1000bhp engine every month while the Veyron suffered such an elephantine gestation. I assume it is because the Veyron will do it all day long, rain, shine, arctic blizzard, Sahara desert where as the others will not?
Drive line snatch to simplify is when the drivetrain appears to have a lot of play in it. If you come on and off the throttle the car will judder and you'll get nasty noises from the rear end.
The piccies of the interior of the Zonda and the Veyron are stunning. For me the Zonda looks to much like an ornate watch inside. I prefer the beautiful functionality of the Veyron.
to quote kingb "there seem to be loads of manufacturers suddenly trying to go faster that the veyron but they are missing the point of the veyron. the veyron isnt about the speed but the way it goes about it."
and this is 100% spot on. I have been in a Zonda F very fast and go kart like, sideways whenever you want it a real hooligans car. Takes twice as long to hit 300kph as the Veyron does. The Veyron quite simply allows you to drive at ludicrous speed and to be able to just concentrate on the road ahead. Anyone with half an ounce of common sense could drive a Veyron at 200mph as long as they have the ability to understand the 200mph concept. (that is that shit happens very quickly at that speed). If you can deal with that then they'll be no need to be be puckering the leather on the drivers seat. In other words if you happened to be travelling on the French motorways which can be quite twisty at times and it was of course legal to do so you could drive a Veyron at 200mph plus and never need to lift for a bend. It really, really is that good.
The piccies of the interior of the Zonda and the Veyron are stunning. For me the Zonda looks to much like an ornate watch inside. I prefer the beautiful functionality of the Veyron.
to quote kingb "there seem to be loads of manufacturers suddenly trying to go faster that the veyron but they are missing the point of the veyron. the veyron isnt about the speed but the way it goes about it."
and this is 100% spot on. I have been in a Zonda F very fast and go kart like, sideways whenever you want it a real hooligans car. Takes twice as long to hit 300kph as the Veyron does. The Veyron quite simply allows you to drive at ludicrous speed and to be able to just concentrate on the road ahead. Anyone with half an ounce of common sense could drive a Veyron at 200mph as long as they have the ability to understand the 200mph concept. (that is that shit happens very quickly at that speed). If you can deal with that then they'll be no need to be be puckering the leather on the drivers seat. In other words if you happened to be travelling on the French motorways which can be quite twisty at times and it was of course legal to do so you could drive a Veyron at 200mph plus and never need to lift for a bend. It really, really is that good.
It looks like a kit car, a very average kit car.
It's obviously heavily influenced by the diablo. I assume the project started as a guy either using a lambo kit car or planned too, and then eventually it developed into this.
The rear, front bumper, front wheel arches, side intake, side window and steeply raked windscreen scream diablo. Very unoriginal.
It's obviously heavily influenced by the diablo. I assume the project started as a guy either using a lambo kit car or planned too, and then eventually it developed into this.
The rear, front bumper, front wheel arches, side intake, side window and steeply raked windscreen scream diablo. Very unoriginal.
I'm not a fan of it, but if it can back up those performance claims, and do it with reliability, then fair play. I just cannot understand why all of these companies are turning up, claiming to be faster/better/whatever than the Bug, but don't seem to back it up.
Big shoot out time I think!!
Big shoot out time I think!!
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