A year with "my first Rolex"
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ultimately, it comes down to whether you buy something because of what it is, or if you buy something because of what others will think. People that buy fakes are the latter. Ultimately, those people are fakes too. I own a real watch that is what it purports to be, and it makes me feel nice to know that; to have something high quality on my wrist. I enjoy the engineering that has gone into it, and the weight it has to it. I don't wear it so that other people will sit in awe of me. I do get asked about it occasionally, which is nice, but if you buy a fake that's all you have.
Blown2CV said:
but if you buy a fake that's all you have.
Judging by people I've met who have fakes, it's not just what they have, it's what they are. Thee is only one reason to buy a fake, and it's to make out that you're something you're not. Plenty of perfectly good watches at fake money that don't pretend to be a Rolex or whatever.
Drewbs said:
Countdown said:
That’s not a valid comparison. A good fake Rolex looks/feels/tells the time just as well as a normal Rolex. It’s unlikely that a fake Ferrari looks/feels/drives as well as a genuine one.
Btw 1% of £200k is £200. Could you show me a Ferrari replica for that amount ?
Might want to check your maths there.... Btw 1% of £200k is £200. Could you show me a Ferrari replica for that amount ?
Blown2CV said:
ultimately, it comes down to whether you buy something because of what it is, or if you buy something because of what others will think. People that buy fakes are the latter. Ultimately, those people are fakes too. I own a real watch that is what it purports to be, and it makes me feel nice to know that; to have something high quality on my wrist. I enjoy the engineering that has gone into it, and the weight it has to it. I don't wear it so that other people will sit in awe of me. I do get asked about it occasionally, which is nice, but if you buy a fake that's all you have.
How do you “enjoy” the engineering that goes into a watch? Is it just the “weight” of the thing or something else which gives pleasure?Hypothetically, if a fake Rolex looked, felt, and worked in exactly the same way as a genuine one, is it just as “good”?
Ari said:
Blown2CV said:
but if you buy a fake that's all you have.
Judging by people I've met who have fakes, it's not just what they have, it's what they are. Thee is only one reason to buy a fake, and it's to make out that you're something you're not. Plenty of perfectly good watches at fake money that don't pretend to be a Rolex or whatever.
Countdown said:
Blown2CV said:
ultimately, it comes down to whether you buy something because of what it is, or if you buy something because of what others will think. People that buy fakes are the latter. Ultimately, those people are fakes too. I own a real watch that is what it purports to be, and it makes me feel nice to know that; to have something high quality on my wrist. I enjoy the engineering that has gone into it, and the weight it has to it. I don't wear it so that other people will sit in awe of me. I do get asked about it occasionally, which is nice, but if you buy a fake that's all you have.
How do you “enjoy” the engineering that goes into a watch? Is it just the “weight” of the thing or something else which gives pleasure?Hypothetically, if a fake Rolex looked, felt, and worked in exactly the same way as a genuine one, is it just as “good”?
t most of the things you own are until you buy something that is well-engineered out of decent materials. Even the click of the bezel feels precise and special. It's why many people buy these type of things.You're unlikely to see a fake watch which fully emulates that but even if you did, you'll still know you're a fraud trying to deceive people into admiring you.
Blown2CV said:
ultimately, it comes down to whether you buy something because of what it is, or if you buy something because of what others will think. People that buy fakes are the latter. Ultimately, those people are fakes too. I own a real watch that is what it purports to be, and it makes me feel nice to know that; to have something high quality on my wrist. I enjoy the engineering that has gone into it, and the weight it has to it. I don't wear it so that other people will sit in awe of me. I do get asked about it occasionally, which is nice, but if you buy a fake that's all you have.
I can assure you there's nothing fake about me! Just a desire not to be ripped off or be a lamb to the slaughter at the behest of an overpriced item just for the name tag. I'm no ones slave, let alone to vanity. Engineering? yes I'm sure its better but if the Turkish one lasts 10 years I'll buy another.I can assure you at a distance of a metre its identical.
And someone mentioned the bezel clicking - great. Mine probably has a different 'click' but I've had watches with rotating bezels before and what use are they - I mean who actually uses them??
Lets at least get a bit real here!
Nigel_O said:
After a few weeks, I got over myself and realised that owning a nice watch is more about personal satisfaction than "look what I've got...". Since then, I smile inwardly to myself every time I glance at the watch.
The only downsides I have found so far is that a) I worry every time I touch it against something as I walk past (no damage though) and b) I actively hide it on occasions, as I don't want it to be seen in some situations
Just like to say .. well done, and I feel the same (as your quoted comments above). I've had my Datejust for 25 years, and recently had it serviced again (£500). The downside I've found, as I've aged, is that the hands are not so easy to see. This sounds daft, because seeing the hands is what a watch is mainly for, but it's true, with gold hands on a white dial, they can't clearly be seen in some lights. Thank goodness I didn't choose the champagne dial!The only downsides I have found so far is that a) I worry every time I touch it against something as I walk past (no damage though) and b) I actively hide it on occasions, as I don't want it to be seen in some situations
As a solution, and after some research, I found I needed a blue dial with silver hands. Not yet acquired the Rolex with this combination, but a Pulsar blue kinetic does the job in the short term, and for much less money. Again, no one seems to have noticed, but that's not why I wear a good watch.
V6Pushfit said:
Blown2CV said:
ultimately, it comes down to whether you buy something because of what it is, or if you buy something because of what others will think. People that buy fakes are the latter. Ultimately, those people are fakes too. I own a real watch that is what it purports to be, and it makes me feel nice to know that; to have something high quality on my wrist. I enjoy the engineering that has gone into it, and the weight it has to it. I don't wear it so that other people will sit in awe of me. I do get asked about it occasionally, which is nice, but if you buy a fake that's all you have.
I can assure you there's nothing fake about me! Just a desire not to be ripped off or be a lamb to the slaughter at the behest of an overpriced item just for the name tag. I'm no ones slave, let alone to vanity. Engineering? yes I'm sure its better but if the Turkish one lasts 10 years I'll buy another.I can assure you at a distance of a metre its identical.
And someone mentioned the bezel clicking - great. Mine probably has a different 'click' but I've had watches with rotating bezels before and what use are they - I mean who actually uses them??
Lets at least get a bit real here!
Blown2CV said:
it's hard to describe to someone who doesn't own one. Nearly all consumer goods are just manufactured to the lowest bid RFP, cheapest components, mass produced. You don't realise how st most of the things you own are until you buy something that is well-engineered out of decent materials. Even the click of the bezel feels precise and special. It's why many people buy these type of things.
You're unlikely to see a fake watch which fully emulates that but even if you did, you'll still know you're a fraud trying to deceive people into admiring you.
I have to say (and IMO only) the vast majority of Rolex buyers (be they fake or original) buy them for the “admiring looks”. I’d also add that there is probably resentment directed towards the “fake” brigade from those who have bought genuine ones because they’re viewed as cheating the system in some way (getting the admiring glances under false pretences). t most of the things you own are until you buy something that is well-engineered out of decent materials. Even the click of the bezel feels precise and special. It's why many people buy these type of things.You're unlikely to see a fake watch which fully emulates that but even if you did, you'll still know you're a fraud trying to deceive people into admiring you.
They’re a piece of jewellery designed to show off the owner’s wealth. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that - lots of things that we do (clothes/houses/cars/jewellery ) we buy partly to impress people.
Edited by Countdown on Saturday 13th January 20:28
probably another thing worth mentioning is that a genuine item won't depreciate whereas you can't say the same for a fake no matter how well made. So if you were to sell in 15 years, which is the rip off? Would you feel content knowing you're going to pass down a fake watch to your son in your will?
Blown2CV said:
probably another thing worth mentioning is that a genuine item won't depreciate whereas you can't say the same for a fake no matter how well made. So if you were to sell in 15 years, which is the rip off? Would you feel content knowing you're going to pass down a fake watch to your son in your will?
I can confirm I’m ok with my watch not increasing as it’s less than £100 and In regard to passing it down to my son it won’t need to be, Who looks at an heirlooms value when it’s from a parent?
V6Pushfit said:
Blown2CV said:
probably another thing worth mentioning is that a genuine item won't depreciate whereas you can't say the same for a fake no matter how well made. So if you were to sell in 15 years, which is the rip off? Would you feel content knowing you're going to pass down a fake watch to your son in your will?
I can confirm I’m ok with my watch not increasing as it’s less than £100 and In regard to passing it down to my son it won’t need to be, Who looks at an heirlooms value when it’s from a parent?
Blown2CV said:
it's hard to describe to someone who doesn't own one. Nearly all consumer goods are just manufactured to the lowest bid RFP, cheapest components, mass produced. You don't realise how st most of the things you own are until you buy something that is well-engineered out of decent materials. Even the click of the bezel feels precise and special. It's why many people buy these type of things.
You're unlikely to see a fake watch which fully emulates that but even if you did, you'll still know you're a fraud trying to deceive people into admiring you.
The problem with (at least part of) this argument is that there's a significant amount more precision engineering in a £20 Casio watch, but it's hidden inside a plastic case with a digital dial, making the shiny shiny the only part one is actually paying for in a Rolex.t most of the things you own are until you buy something that is well-engineered out of decent materials. Even the click of the bezel feels precise and special. It's why many people buy these type of things.You're unlikely to see a fake watch which fully emulates that but even if you did, you'll still know you're a fraud trying to deceive people into admiring you.
I bought a fake GMTII Coke in Thailand for £25 in 2002. The reason was to see if I liked having something like that on my wrist. I did. So I bought the real deal from WF a month later. It’ has more than trebled in value (not why I bought it). Which means it is the cheapest thing I have ever purchased in my entire life.
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