Wrist Check 2017

[ZesPak]

AlleyCat said:

My Seamaster 120 Deep Blue just arrived! I absolutely love it, in my opinion it’s prettier than the 300.

I really like the look of that, saw a Seiko the other day that looks a lot like it and I'm contemplating on getting it.
Very nice watch!

[spareparts]

1/100th chrono

[So]

spareparts said:

1/100th chrono

Is there a model in the range that tells the time?

[AMG Merc]

Appreciate the work but agree with the above comments. Over complicated visually - reminds me of looking at my 997 Turbo engine bay

[ZesPak]

They could have made the hands stand out more, now they blend in with the very busy face. too much imho.

[coldsnap]

I'm happy with this one:

Edited by coldsnap on Monday 30th October 13:18

[AMG Merc]

coldsnap said:

I'm happy with this one:

Edited by coldsnap on Monday 30th October 13:18

Agree. 8 minutes past eleven

[jules_s]

Isn't it 7 minutes past though?

[AAD44H]

AMG Merc said:

Agree. 8 minutes past eleven

I think you’ll find it’s 7 minutes, 41 seconds past 11

[AMG Merc]

[Graemsay]

So said:

Is there a model in the range that tells the time?

Yes.



Incidentally, I like spareparts's watch.

[So]

Graemsay said:

So said:

Is there a model in the range that tells the time?

Yes.



Incidentally, I like spareparts's watch.

That's better. I am assuming it uses the El Primero movement. A date would be handy.

[toasty]

This'd be my choice of the Zenith lineup, only 38mm for my skinny wrists.



As it happens, I got swayed by the JLC Master Geo instead.

[So]

toasty said:

This'd be my choice of the Zenith lineup, only 38mm for my skinny wrists.



As it happens, I got swayed by the JLC Master Geo instead.

These look slightly underwhelming on the wrist IMHO

[Graemsay]

So said:

That's better. I am assuming it uses the El Primero movement. A date would be handy.

It uses the same movement as spareparts's watch, which is based on the Tag Heuer Mikrograph from a few years back. It's called the El Primero 21.

The Defy El Primero 21 comes in three versions. The solid dial is the cheapest ($9,600), then there's the silver skeletonised version, which is what spareparts has, at $10,600, and a black one in ceramic and aluminium at $11,600.

These prices come from Hodinkee's article, I don't know what they'll be in the UK.

[So]

Graemsay said:

It uses the same movement as spareparts's watch, which is based on the Tag Heuer Mikrograph from a few years back. It's called the El Primero 21.

The Defy El Primero 21 comes in three versions. The solid dial is the cheapest ($9,600), then there's the silver skeletonised version, which is what spareparts has, at $10,600, and a black one in ceramic and aluminium at $11,600.

These prices come from Hodinkee's article, I don't know what they'll be in the UK.

Is it based upon a TAG movement or is the TAG movement based upon a Zenith?

It's a non-hacking movement, isn't it?

[PJ S]

It's a Heuer Horology dept movement design. No idea if it hacks or not, but I'd be very surprised if it didn't. Technically, I can't envisage why it wouldn't.

[So]

PJ S said:

It's a Heuer Horology dept movement design. No idea if it hacks or not, but I'd be very surprised if it didn't. Technically, I can't envisage why it wouldn't.

Just something at the back of my mind says no. Same movement as the Daytona?

[Graemsay]

So said:

Is it based upon a TAG movement or is the TAG movement based upon a Zenith?

It's a non-hacking movement, isn't it?

My understanding is that TAG, Zenith, and Hublot are under the LVMH, and they now share R&D.

TAG developed various 1/100 and 1/1000 of a second chronographs, but Biver repositioned the brand as the entry level, and so they're not longer doing so much in the Haute Horlogerie end of the market. As such, they had no need for these movements.

Incidentally, the last version of the Mikrograph had a date window.

Zenith are being positioned as being cutting-edge mechanical watchmaking, and so adopted a version of TAG's 1/100 second chronograph for the El Primero 21. I don't think that it was based on their original El Primero, though the movement has been upgraded to run at 5 Hz, whereas the TAG was 4 Hz.

No idea whether the new Zenith movement is hacking or not. I hope it is.

Also, as an aside, I'm liking the Zenith Defy Lab, which is also part of their new direction.

[spareparts]

The original black PVD. Lemania 5100, 1974 Porsche Design Chrono 1.

Edited by spareparts on Wednesday 1st November 11:22