How to buy Ceramic Daytona?

[harveys]

I picked up my SD last week and I requested stickers be left on. But the requested to keep the warranty card for a year. No issue as I'm not going to sell. So I can confirm it happened to me.

By the way the sd43 such an awesome watch. Well worth the £££s over the sd4k.

[hosedoctor]

So your saying they kept your warranty card?

[Mr Pointy]

hosedoctor said:

Mr Pointy said:

terrydacktal said:

bobbybee said:

Andy OH said:

Are you 100% certain about papers being withheld??

Some retailers will insist on keeping the warranty card for 6 months, and removing all the protective stickers before handing the watch over. The idea is to curb flippers from selling the watch BNIB immediately after purchase

They have no right to do that and I don't believe ANY AD would do that if you asked them not to. Internet rumour. Sad!

You are wrong, it has happened. If you were a member of TZ-UK you could read all about it.

Did they keep the cert card as well?

I believe it was just the warranty card

[don logan]

I reckon anyone desperate enough to pay nearly £7k over list for a Daytona will also wait 6 months or however long for you to forward the warranty card to them!

Anyway, you buy a Daytona from a flipper, something goes wrong with it, you take it into an AD for them to send it off, THEN WHAT????

No warranty without the card?????

They know when it was made, it has a 5yr warranty.........

[harveys]

Hosedoctor - yes kept warranty card for a year. I think cause I insisted they leave stickers on.

[don logan]

I'm removing the stickers from my 2011 ND Sub tnght!

[eyebeebe]

trowelhead said:

Thanks i think you had given me that tip in an earlier "what watch are you buying in 2017" thread.

I did give it a try, called them yesterday and they said 4 year waiting list and won't take new customers at this point!

I'm surprised by that. Might pop in in person tomorrow and see what they say. They told me a year when I collected mine and Prabs had one a couple of months later.

[Dolf Stoppard]

On what basis can an AD refuse to hand over the papers with a watch? What if it needs warranty work and I don't want to go back to the same AD? If it's true, I can't believe for one second Rolex would sanction it.

If an AD refused to hand over my warranty card or insisted on removing the stickers I'd just walk away. I have two of the things and I'm a big fan, but they're mass produced items. This idea an AD is doing you a favour by selling you one and any attempt to control what you can then do with the watch is bonkers!

[DJMC]

I spoke to an AD for the first time about a SubC last Monday and their one which was "squirrelled away" is sitting in their safe with my name on it until tomorrow. Spoke to another in the week who said he could put aside their next SubC for me (they did service my wife's Rolex recently, but that's all) as he was sure it was for me and not to be re-sold, and another specialist in a "tourist" town who said they'd only sell one watch to each American or Japanese visitor because of the fever of buyers working the currency situation.

I appreciate a SubC isn't a DaytonaC, but even the SubC is supposed to be "rare". Er... no.

[nikaiyo2]

trowelhead said:

Oh really?

They had both Daytonas in the window of the Rolex shop Gaysorn mall a couple of weeks back and one in the Siloam AD window.
I don't know if they had the SD50, thinking back I think it was the standard SD.

[hosedoctor]

Thats not right AD's keeping certs! Ok lets say someone buys a watch and a week later falls on hard times and needs to sell his watch? What the fk does it matter what you do with a watch after you have bought it? It happens with high end cars all the time!

[drainbrain]

hosedoctor said:

Thats not right AD's keeping certs! Ok lets say someone buys a watch and a week later falls on hard times and needs to sell his watch? What the fk does it matter what you do with a watch after you have bought it? It happens with high end cars all the time!

Put your name down for a Ferrari which has a waiting list (and a premium) then when you get it immediately flip it for a profit and try going back to the dealer and ask to go on another list and see what he says.

This might be of interest too....nb last paragraph

http://www.carscoops.com/2017/05/porsche-has-plan-...

Edited by drainbrain on Friday 14th July 23:31

[Mr Pointy]

Dolf Stoppard said:

On what basis can an AD refuse to hand over the papers with a watch? What if it needs warranty work and I don't want to go back to the same AD? If it's true, I can't believe for one second Rolex would sanction it.

If an AD refused to hand over my warranty card or insisted on removing the stickers I'd just walk away. I have two of the things and I'm a big fan, but they're mass produced items. This idea an AD is doing you a favour by selling you one and any attempt to control what you can then do with the watch is bonkers!

Well as I understand it the basis is that the AD offers the watch on condition that the warranty card is retained. You can either agree to the terms of sale or leave without the watch. In the case I quoted the buyer actually phoned Rolex while he was stood in the shop & was told by Rolex that it was up to the AD what conditions they wished to impose.

You say you would walk away but when the alternative is either waiting four years or paying £7,000 extra then waiting six months for a piece of plastic might seem a reasonable price to pay. From the ADs point of view they are being pressured by Rolex to keep new, sought after models off the grey market so they are just trying to keep watches out of the hands of the flippers.

[hosedoctor]

We're is this £7000 over list coming from? I wish that was the case! I sold one last week for £13,000! That might have been the case when the the new Daytona's came out but not now. People might have them up for big money but that doesn't mean they sell for that. What you want and what you get are two different things.

[hosedoctor]

drainbrain said:

hosedoctor said:

Thats not right AD's keeping certs! Ok lets say someone buys a watch and a week later falls on hard times and needs to sell his watch? What the fk does it matter what you do with a watch after you have bought it? It happens with high end cars all the time!

Put your name down for a Ferrari which has a waiting list (and a premium) then when you get it immediately flip it for a profit and try going back to the dealer and ask to go on another list and see what he says.

This might be of interest too....nb last paragraph

http://www.carscoops.com/2017/05/porsche-has-plan-...

Edited by drainbrain on Friday 14th July 23:31

If you put your namediwn at a Ferrari dealership you would only pay retail,you wouldnt pay a premium?

[don logan]

hosedoctor said:

We're is this £7000 over list coming from? I wish that was the case! I sold one last week for £13,000! That might have been the case when the the new Daytona's came out but not now. People might have them up for big money but that doesn't mean they sell for that. What you want and what you get are two different things.

Prices have softened slightly (notably the black dial) but you're never going to achieve the price that a reputable non authorised watch dealer can because you're just "a bloke"

I was offered £13k from a dealer 3 weeks ago so he obviously thought he'd have some margin on that!

[drainbrain]

hosedoctor said:

If you put your namediwn at a Ferrari dealership you would only pay retail,you wouldnt pay a premium?

Like watches - waiting list at the dealer, premium to avoid the wait.

[Mr Pointy]

hosedoctor said:

We're is this £7000 over list coming from? I wish that was the case! I sold one last week for £13,000! That might have been the case when the the new Daytona's came out but not now. People might have them up for big money but that doesn't mean they sell for that. What you want and what you get are two different things.

Well I might be a bit out but list is £9k I think & they are on Chron24 for £15k so that is £6k premium. I agree we don't know what a seller might come down to but I'm sure you would agree it's a "substantial premium" over list.

[Dolf Stoppard]

Mr Pointy said:

Dolf Stoppard said:

On what basis can an AD refuse to hand over the papers with a watch? What if it needs warranty work and I don't want to go back to the same AD? If it's true, I can't believe for one second Rolex would sanction it.

If an AD refused to hand over my warranty card or insisted on removing the stickers I'd just walk away. I have two of the things and I'm a big fan, but they're mass produced items. This idea an AD is doing you a favour by selling you one and any attempt to control what you can then do with the watch is bonkers!

Well as I understand it the basis is that the AD offers the watch on condition that the warranty card is retained. You can either agree to the terms of sale or leave without the watch. In the case I quoted the buyer actually phoned Rolex while he was stood in the shop & was told by Rolex that it was up to the AD what conditions they wished to impose.

You say you would walk away but when the alternative is either waiting four years or paying £7,000 extra then waiting six months for a piece of plastic might seem a reasonable price to pay. From the ADs point of view they are being pressured by Rolex to keep new, sought after models off the grey market so they are just trying to keep watches out of the hands of the flippers.

Like I say, I'd leave without the watch - the dealer is obviously not required to sell it to me.

But I'd be interested to see what would happen if a sale went ahead and the purchaser then 'demanded' the warranty card. Unless the dealer is going to force you to sign some sort of contract at the point of sale I don't see on what basis they could refuse to hand it over. You've bought the watch, it comes with a warranty and the card is obviously intended by Rolex to be part of the sale.

[Mr Pointy]

Dolf Stoppard said:

(Edit) But I'd be interested to see what would happen if a sale went ahead and the purchaser then 'demanded' the warranty card. Unless the dealer is going to force you to sign some sort of contract at the point of sale I don't see on what basis they could refuse to hand it over. You've bought the watch, it comes with a warranty and the card is obviously intended by Rolex to be part of the sale.

IANAL but I suspect it depends on when the dealer advises you of the terms (removing stickers, withholding the warranty card etc). If it's after you have typed your credit card pin into the machine then they probably have a problem but if they show you the watch & then say "these are the terms, do you agree?" before you have paid then they don't. If you agree to the terms before you pay on what grounds are you going to claim they have to give you the card?

Of course the problem is if you don't agree you don't get the watch so you have to toddle off & try & join the list at another AD or pay a premium for a second hand watch. Some people just want the watches badly enough to accept the terms.