Trying to to buy a "mega-watch". Budget £40,000. Help!
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drainbrain said:
A low-ish volume mass produced lowish cost nice-ish watch from a "hot" brand:
https://www.chrono24.co.uk/patekphilippe/-perpetua...
A connoisseur's concept of a "mega watch" made by a master. One of two:
http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/201...
Top trolling you must be really pleased with that one.https://www.chrono24.co.uk/patekphilippe/-perpetua...
A connoisseur's concept of a "mega watch" made by a master. One of two:
http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/201...
Edited by drainbrain on Tuesday 9th January 22:44
dimots said:
Top trolling you must be really pleased with that one.
You think so?The PP 5940 (many available all around the world) is sold at a value set by PP's marketing department based on what research and data collation tell them PP can 'get away' with charging. Like many higher end lowish volume mass produced items much of its price reflects the brand's cachet. (currently very high)
The Space Traveller's value is set and reset every 10-15 years when it makes one of its rare appearances as the premium item in an open market auction attended by connoisseurs who consider its uniqueness and engineering content as principal attributes amongst their benchmarks for bids.
One is a true 'mega-watch'. The other's a mass produced Patek Phillipe.
PP certainly do produce wonderfully interesting 'mega-watches', but not in their £40k ranges.
If the OP seriously wants a 'mega watch' he needs to up the ante considerably and start looking at much smaller and more bespoke manufacturers. For example, a decent Roger Smith probably edges into mega-watch territory but is more likely to need £100k than £40k to commission.
Edited by drainbrain on Wednesday 10th January 00:26
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I don't think we need to quite venture into RJ Smith territory, let alone George Daniels, in order to achieve low volume HH pieces.
As I mentioned early on in this thread, pre-owned De Bethunes, Laurent Ferriers, Leroys, Bovets, Grönefeld Rementoire (new), and Girard–Perregeaux Triple Bridges, among others, will each provide a foot in the upper echelon of watchmaking.
Patek is Patek, and rightly or wrongly, their brand name affords them a retail price multiplier we recognise as 'cachet' — there's no getting away from that, and it's also part of the appeal.
I don't think we need to quite venture into RJ Smith territory, let alone George Daniels, in order to achieve low volume HH pieces.
As I mentioned early on in this thread, pre-owned De Bethunes, Laurent Ferriers, Leroys, Bovets, Grönefeld Rementoire (new), and Girard–Perregeaux Triple Bridges, among others, will each provide a foot in the upper echelon of watchmaking.
Patek is Patek, and rightly or wrongly, their brand name affords them a retail price multiplier we recognise as 'cachet' — there's no getting away from that, and it's also part of the appeal.
Yes it’s trolling because a multi million pound unwearable trophy is irrelevant to the stated intention in the very first post in this thread.
If the OP had stated any intention of trying to buy the watch that represents the absolute pinnacle of watchmaking, at any price, perhaps you’d have a point. But he didn’t.
If the OP had stated any intention of trying to buy the watch that represents the absolute pinnacle of watchmaking, at any price, perhaps you’d have a point. But he didn’t.
dimots said:
I hope you find what you want, but whatever you do don’t let your head be turned by a ‘bargain’ that compromises what you really want! That’s the impression I got when you mentioned the 5040. As many people can testify buying something you didn’t really want is the best way to double the cost of acquiring what you DO want 
Oh yes, we're completely in agreement here. My heart is quite set on a 5940. In a parallel universe I'd love a PP 5270, but I don't think I want to spend that much. I only mentioned the 5040 as a comparator for what an older PP of similar tonneau shape is worth today. It's nowhere near as nice as the 5940 to me.dimots said:
drainbrain said:
A low-ish volume mass produced lowish cost nice-ish watch from a "hot" brand:
https://www.chrono24.co.uk/patekphilippe/-perpetua...
A connoisseur's concept of a "mega watch" made by a master. One of two:
http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/201...
Top trolling you must be really pleased with that one.https://www.chrono24.co.uk/patekphilippe/-perpetua...
A connoisseur's concept of a "mega watch" made by a master. One of two:
http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/201...
and a pocket watch), but not sure I'd say he was trolling. Certainly nowhere near the type of posts we had from toilet and not very bright on Monday. drainbrain said:
If the OP seriously wants a 'mega watch' he needs to up the ante considerably and start looking at much smaller and more bespoke manufacturers. For example, a decent Roger Smith probably edges into mega-watch territory but is more likely to need £100k than £40k to commission.
40k for a watch is VERY mega for me. It's all relative. The 944 Turbo cabriolet I bought as my first car in 2005 for £10,000, was a mega-car to me then, at mega money!PJ S said:
^ I don't think we need to quite venture into RJ Smith territory, let alone George Daniels, in order to achieve low volume HH pieces.
As I mentioned early on in this thread, pre-owned De Bethunes, Laurent Ferriers, Leroys, Bovets, Grönefeld Rementoire (new), and Girard–Perregeaux Triple Bridges, among others, will each provide a foot in the upper echelon of watchmaking.
Patek is Patek, and rightly or wrongly, their brand name affords them a retail price multiplier we recognise as 'cachet' — there's no getting away from that, and it's also part of the appeal.
Typically measured post from you PJS. I do understand that PP is what it is for a a lot reasons, including their marketing. I've only heard of a few of the watchmakers above, which is case in point. Ultimately for me, I absolutely love the look of the PP we're talking about. There is nothing else from the other watchmakers that I think looks as quietly elegant (to me). With regards to haute horoglogy, I am very unsophisticated and don't know nearly enough as some of you do. I think at that level it is about things like the movement etc, which I must confess is not the most important thing to me.As I mentioned early on in this thread, pre-owned De Bethunes, Laurent Ferriers, Leroys, Bovets, Grönefeld Rementoire (new), and Girard–Perregeaux Triple Bridges, among others, will each provide a foot in the upper echelon of watchmaking.
Patek is Patek, and rightly or wrongly, their brand name affords them a retail price multiplier we recognise as 'cachet' — there's no getting away from that, and it's also part of the appeal.
CKQC said:
Hi PJS. I've already examined this watch via a friend who lives in Geneve. Their price is their price even though it's rather scratched and could use a polish. "Real world" picture of the watch below. They weren't interested in negotiating, so I dropped it. I would have been open to it as all the papers checked out, but they aren't realistic with their price.
Send me an email, I have a bit of info for you which could be of interest.Edited by PJ S on Thursday 11th January 10:59
CKQC said:
As I have consistently done, I will ignore the "PH standard" jealous have-nots/pricks that infect this forum, but I'm happy to to answer your genuine question.
Thing about toilets is, everybody needs one so I'm doing OK.Crack on but what I find odd is looking to buy a watch based purely on the high price rather than what draws your attention in terms of design etc?
Personally I've never asked for 'advice' on a forum as to what to buy as I like to make my own decisions. I might ask for a view on a particular model to gauge opinion. I'm sure you'll post up the watch you eventually buy albeit your patience is better than mine.......
My chum has a collection of watches that I would estimate in excess of £1m and whilst it contains the usual makes/models his favourite is a Breguet, not the most expensive in his collection but the only watch after seeing it a window whilst in Switzerland, liked the look of it and bought it without asking the price.
Armitage.Shanks said:
CKQC said:
As I have consistently done, I will ignore the "PH standard" jealous have-nots/pricks that infect this forum, but I'm happy to to answer your genuine question.
Thing about toilets is, everybody needs one so I'm doing OK.Crack on but what I find odd is looking to buy a watch based purely on the high price rather than what draws your attention in terms of design etc?
Where has the OP suggested that he's buying purely on the basis of high price?
If that's the case, then the OP is spending an awful lot of time looking at designs and discussing the merits thereof.
As I say tho, do point out that bit where he suggests buying on the basis of high price, as I must have missed that.
Edited by TheJimi on Thursday 11th January 11:08
TheJimi said:
Armitage.Shanks said:
CKQC said:
As I have consistently done, I will ignore the "PH standard" jealous have-nots/pricks that infect this forum, but I'm happy to to answer your genuine question.
Thing about toilets is, everybody needs one so I'm doing OK.Crack on but what I find odd is looking to buy a watch based purely on the high price rather than what draws your attention in terms of design etc?
Where has the OP suggested that he's buying purely on the basis of high price?
If that's the case, then the OP is spending an awful lot of time looking at designs and discussing there merits thereof.
As I say tho, do point out that bit where he suggests buying on the basis of high price, as I must have missed that.
chuckle at their insecurities and "bravery" from the safety of their keyboards.
I've enjoyed this thread. Some great pictures and debate. That alone negates any need for me to know whether the OP is "geniune" (what business of mine is it anyway), though I hope he (and think) he is!
"toilet" - that made me lol
Armitage.Shanks said:
My chum has a collection of watches that I would estimate in excess of £1m and whilst it contains the usual makes/models his favourite is a Breguet, not the most expensive in his collection but the only watch after seeing it a window whilst in Switzerland, liked the look of it and bought it without asking the price.
The sheer irony!!!!!!! This troll questions someone who has clearly started an interesting and genuine thread and then expects us to believe his chum has a £1m collection of watches in an effort to build his credibility.OK chaps I've re-read the OP's first post and will agree with your comments in that it was an 'up to' figure.
In my defence I hadn't read it for quite a long time and made a 'quip' about whether this was actually made up (as had others) given the time that has passed. Doing so I was immediately castigated with sleight to my charachter (albeit you don't know anything about me) which I can happily accept as banter. This is PistonHeads after all and you need a thick skin and be able to take a joke.
Let's flush this one down the pan and move on.
TTFN
In my defence I hadn't read it for quite a long time and made a 'quip' about whether this was actually made up (as had others) given the time that has passed. Doing so I was immediately castigated with sleight to my charachter (albeit you don't know anything about me) which I can happily accept as banter. This is PistonHeads after all and you need a thick skin and be able to take a joke.
Let's flush this one down the pan and move on.
TTFN
Ayahuasca said:
At what level does 'watch' stop and 'piece' begin?
A question I asked myself when looking at this piece recently.https://hypebeast.com/2013/5/becomb-silver-infinit...
Warning - not entirely suitable for work photo shown on website.
Armitage.Shanks said:
OK chaps I've re-read the OP's first post and will agree with your comments in that it was an 'up to' figure.
In my defence I hadn't read it for quite a long time and made a 'quip' about whether this was actually made up (as had others) given the time that has passed. Doing so I was immediately castigated with sleight to my charachter (albeit you don't know anything about me) which I can happily accept as banter. This is PistonHeads after all and you need a thick skin and be able to take a joke.
Let's flush this one down the pan and move on.
TTFN
With respect, you haven't contributed much and I don't believe you will going forward. I would suggest you take leave of this thread, before you emabrass yourself further. It's not about being able to take a joke, it's about being decent and polite to people you don't know from Adam.In my defence I hadn't read it for quite a long time and made a 'quip' about whether this was actually made up (as had others) given the time that has passed. Doing so I was immediately castigated with sleight to my charachter (albeit you don't know anything about me) which I can happily accept as banter. This is PistonHeads after all and you need a thick skin and be able to take a joke.
Let's flush this one down the pan and move on.
TTFN
Back on thread, I think the OP is set on the 5940, but I looked up what a 5270 is and WOW! What a watch!
https://www.watchcollectinglifestyle.com/home/insi...
Buy it OP? Please?
5270 is stunning, it's a perpetual calendar...I would love to own a PP perpetual calendar (I compromised and bought the annual calendar...see my advice to the OP above which I did not follow myself ;D)...but it's a lot of money (by most people's measure) for a watch which is not yet 100% resolved.
If you look into them further you'll find that the first version is the best looking (opinions may vary!), but it lacks a tachometer. In the successive models they have tried to shoehorn this on to the dial and have taken various measures to make it fit. I actually think the 'chin' version will be a future classic as it's so quirky but it's a bit marmite.
Still...we're talking double the budget at least, even though I think the chin 5270 could be a good investment.
If you look into them further you'll find that the first version is the best looking (opinions may vary!), but it lacks a tachometer. In the successive models they have tried to shoehorn this on to the dial and have taken various measures to make it fit. I actually think the 'chin' version will be a future classic as it's so quirky but it's a bit marmite.
Still...we're talking double the budget at least, even though I think the chin 5270 could be a good investment.
Dimots, love to see some pictures if you can take the trouble, to show the version/points you have made in your post? Always interested to see how a design has evolved 
Why don't you think it's fully resolved? Friend has a 5270, which is just stunning in rose gold on him. It's a bigger watch than I would usually wear, but I tried it on and it was... 
Why don't you think it's fully resolved? Friend has a 5270, which is just stunning in rose gold on him. It's a bigger watch than I would usually wear, but I tried it on and it was... Here's a horrible quick cut and paste of the three variations.
Left - the original 2011 watch. Everything fits...just!
Middle the 'chin' watch with the little wobbly bump to fit the tachometer. Bonkers really, but quite loveable for it!
And right the current version which is more in keeping with prior PP dials but also doesn't work 100%. Wouldn't say no though
Left - the original 2011 watch. Everything fits...just!
Middle the 'chin' watch with the little wobbly bump to fit the tachometer. Bonkers really, but quite loveable for it!
And right the current version which is more in keeping with prior PP dials but also doesn't work 100%. Wouldn't say no though
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