Your thoughts on fake watches
Discussion
bobbybee said:
In comparison, yes, the new bracelets are better. But, the old ones weren't rubbish either. You get watches 40-50 years old on their original bracelets doing their job keeping the watch on your wrist just fine
I disagree, I felt the pressed steel clasps really let Rolex down, you pay upwards of 5k for a watch and parts of the clasp are no better than a cheap Seiko.Doing their job, in a similar way a cheap quartz will tell the time.
Blown2CV said:
it doesn't look like it's meant to be a copy of a old watch though.
If you don't know enough about the original watch being discussed then comments like these are just daft. Here's my LV with crappy pressed bracelet clasp. Should have given it a quick wipe down as it's been inside a black travel pouch.
RichTT said:
Blown2CV said:
it doesn't look like it's meant to be a copy of a old watch though.
If you don't know enough about the original watch being discussed then comments like these are just daft. Here's my LV with crappy pressed bracelet clasp. Should have given it a quick wipe down as it's been inside a black travel pouch.
Lord Marylebone said:
Sa Calobra said:
Wearing a fake anything is admitting to yourself that you've failed on many levels in life.
For work I wear Momentum or GShocks to avoid damaging a decent watch. I wouldn't wear a £50 fake.
0% finance is freely available and a decent watch doesn't lose all it's value so why bother with fakes?
What next a Ferrari kit car in fake non UV aviator glasses?
However...over quite a few years my wife used to go to HK for business. She came across a place that sold 'fake' high end leather bags. She bought a few and checked where the QC etc stickers were in the shops. Identical.
We thought these 'made in Italy' bags really weren't. They were just 'finished' in Italy whatever that means.
Bit of a mixed message there.For work I wear Momentum or GShocks to avoid damaging a decent watch. I wouldn't wear a £50 fake.
0% finance is freely available and a decent watch doesn't lose all it's value so why bother with fakes?
What next a Ferrari kit car in fake non UV aviator glasses?
However...over quite a few years my wife used to go to HK for business. She came across a place that sold 'fake' high end leather bags. She bought a few and checked where the QC etc stickers were in the shops. Identical.
We thought these 'made in Italy' bags really weren't. They were just 'finished' in Italy whatever that means.
You state that owning a fake watch is because you have completely failed at life, yet you are happy for your wife to buy and own a collection of fake handbags?
These were not fakes. Not stolen either. Sly overproduction for the home market by the factory owner. It happens alot. People think 'fakes knocked out by chonese'.
Blown2CV said:
RichTT said:
Blown2CV said:
it doesn't look like it's meant to be a copy of a old watch though.
If you don't know enough about the original watch being discussed then comments like these are just daft. Here's my LV with crappy pressed bracelet clasp. Should have given it a quick wipe down as it's been inside a black travel pouch.
Sa Calobra said:
Didn't say I was happy. My wife works with factories designing and sourcing. She also has a technical background.
These were not fakes. Not stolen either. Sly overproduction for the home market by the factory owner. It happens alot. People think 'fakes knocked out by chonese'.
I'm afraid the 'extra factory supply' and 'factory seconds' is an urban myth made up by the fakers to try to convince people they are real, and to possibly pay that bit more.These were not fakes. Not stolen either. Sly overproduction for the home market by the factory owner. It happens alot. People think 'fakes knocked out by chonese'.
I've had things brought back from places like Thailand for me, items like a Canada Goose jacket and a North Face weatherproof jacket and the level of finish and detail is such that you really start to think "it's real", right down to the ghosted writing on linings and on zips etc. Even the 'proof of authenticity labels, stickers and holograms are there.
But the truth of the matter is that the fakers are just really very good.
My mums friend has done long haul cabin crew for 25 years and always bings these 'factory extras' bags back as well.
The factories producing high end fashion are far too strictly controlled and monitored to allow 'a few thousand Gucci bags out the back door'.
This is an article article explaining it all:
https://jingdaily.com/china-counterfeit-report-do-...
Blown2CV said:
why daft? The other one looked like it has mixed features such as it had Rolex ingraved on the inside metal vertical area by the dial inside the crystal, but then the bezel didn't look like it matched the era. Your one above yes I'd spot it a mile off from the bracelet crown logo. Are you saying yours is a fake bracelet or the whole thing is fake?
Daft because about two seconds of research on Google shows multiple discussions in many places on the 16610 LV with and without an engraved rehaut. It wasn't until the new era of the ceramic bezel subs that they introduced the new machined glidelock clasp.
Lord Marylebone said:
I'm afraid the 'extra factory supply' and 'factory seconds' is an urban myth made up by the fakers to try to convince people they are real, and to possibly pay that bit more.
I've had things brought back from places like Thailand for me, items like a Canada Goose jacket and a North Face weatherproof jacket and the level of finish and detail is such that you really start to think "it's real", right down to the ghosted writing on linings and on zips etc. Even the 'proof of authenticity labels, stickers and holograms are there.
But the truth of the matter is that the fakers are just really very good.
My mums friend has done long haul cabin crew for 25 years and always bings these 'factory extras' bags back as well.
The factories producing high end fashion are far too strictly controlled and monitored to allow 'a few thousand Gucci bags out the back door'.
This is an article article explaining it all:
https://jingdaily.com/china-counterfeit-report-do-...
Jack Ma suggesting that fakes are better than the "real thing",,,,I've had things brought back from places like Thailand for me, items like a Canada Goose jacket and a North Face weatherproof jacket and the level of finish and detail is such that you really start to think "it's real", right down to the ghosted writing on linings and on zips etc. Even the 'proof of authenticity labels, stickers and holograms are there.
But the truth of the matter is that the fakers are just really very good.
My mums friend has done long haul cabin crew for 25 years and always bings these 'factory extras' bags back as well.
The factories producing high end fashion are far too strictly controlled and monitored to allow 'a few thousand Gucci bags out the back door'.
This is an article article explaining it all:
https://jingdaily.com/china-counterfeit-report-do-...
https://www.ft.com/content/6700d5cc-3209-11e6-ad39...
Jac Ma said:
The problem is the fake products today are of better quality and better price than the real names,” he said during a speech on Tuesday at Alibaba’s headquarters in Hangzhou. “They are exactly the [same] factories, exactly the same raw materials but they do not use the names.”
Countdown said:
Lord Marylebone said:
I'm afraid the 'extra factory supply' and 'factory seconds' is an urban myth made up by the fakers to try to convince people they are real, and to possibly pay that bit more.
I've had things brought back from places like Thailand for me, items like a Canada Goose jacket and a North Face weatherproof jacket and the level of finish and detail is such that you really start to think "it's real", right down to the ghosted writing on linings and on zips etc. Even the 'proof of authenticity labels, stickers and holograms are there.
But the truth of the matter is that the fakers are just really very good.
My mums friend has done long haul cabin crew for 25 years and always bings these 'factory extras' bags back as well.
The factories producing high end fashion are far too strictly controlled and monitored to allow 'a few thousand Gucci bags out the back door'.
This is an article article explaining it all:
https://jingdaily.com/china-counterfeit-report-do-...
Jack Ma suggesting that fakes are better than the "real thing",,,,I've had things brought back from places like Thailand for me, items like a Canada Goose jacket and a North Face weatherproof jacket and the level of finish and detail is such that you really start to think "it's real", right down to the ghosted writing on linings and on zips etc. Even the 'proof of authenticity labels, stickers and holograms are there.
But the truth of the matter is that the fakers are just really very good.
My mums friend has done long haul cabin crew for 25 years and always bings these 'factory extras' bags back as well.
The factories producing high end fashion are far too strictly controlled and monitored to allow 'a few thousand Gucci bags out the back door'.
This is an article article explaining it all:
https://jingdaily.com/china-counterfeit-report-do-...
https://www.ft.com/content/6700d5cc-3209-11e6-ad39...
Jac Ma said:
The problem is the fake products today are of better quality and better price than the real names,” he said during a speech on Tuesday at Alibaba’s headquarters in Hangzhou. “They are exactly the [same] factories, exactly the same raw materials but they do not use the names.”
It describes how the same raw material supply factories are supplying the fakers as well as the legit manufacturers, and also that the fake producing factories are now producing their own branded goods at a better quality and price than you could buy from the OEM brands.
Zoon said:
Blown2CV said:
RichTT said:
Blown2CV said:
it doesn't look like it's meant to be a copy of a old watch though.
If you don't know enough about the original watch being discussed then comments like these are just daft. Here's my LV with crappy pressed bracelet clasp. Should have given it a quick wipe down as it's been inside a black travel pouch.
t was only one of the points i highlighted. However I never realised genuine Rolex bracelets of that era looked st. If he's trying to highlight that genuine bracelets can look st and using his own as an example then who am i to argue with that. RichTT said:
Blown2CV said:
why daft? The other one looked like it has mixed features such as it had Rolex ingraved on the inside metal vertical area by the dial inside the crystal, but then the bezel didn't look like it matched the era. Your one above yes I'd spot it a mile off from the bracelet crown logo. Are you saying yours is a fake bracelet or the whole thing is fake?
Daft because about two seconds of research on Google shows multiple discussions in many places on the 16610 LV with and without an engraved rehaut. It wasn't until the new era of the ceramic bezel subs that they introduced the new machined glidelock clasp.
t, my mistake... so no need to labour the point. lostkiwi said:
clockworks said:
glazbagun said:
It's crazy that they're going to the trouble of faking the movement though. Regulator is a bit of a giveaway! 
How did I manage to miss that one! It is a bit of a giveaway, isn't it.Thanks for pointing it out, as it means I'm in with a chance of getting it to keep time. I wasn't looking forward to fiddling with microstella screws, so I'm glad this watch has a standard balance and regulator.
I wonder if anyone has faked the real balance? Probably beyond what's possible with the kind of tooling that a generic Chinese workshop has available - for now.
You can buy an A.Lange & Sohne inspired Chinese tourbillon for around £370! The manufacturer is called Sugess and the movement is Sea-Gull. Not bad! I'm almost tempted ... just to own a tourbillon. However the real question is, would I ever wear it?!
If I remember correctly, the British Horological Institute commissioned a batch of Chinese tourbillon watches a few years ago, for sale to members. Seemed a strange thing to do. Maybe it was done as a kick up the backside to British watch repairers/makers about the way the industry was going?
Lord Marylebone said:
I'm afraid the 'extra factory supply' and 'factory seconds' is an urban myth made up by the fakers to try to convince people they are real, and to possibly pay that bit more.
I've had things brought back from places like Thailand for me, items like a Canada Goose jacket and a North Face weatherproof jacket and the level of finish and detail is such that you really start to think "it's real", right down to the ghosted writing on linings and on zips etc. Even the 'proof of authenticity labels, stickers and holograms are there.
But the truth of the matter is that the fakers are just really very good.
My mums friend has done long haul cabin crew for 25 years and always bings these 'factory extras' bags back as well.
The factories producing high end fashion are far too strictly controlled and monitored to allow 'a few thousand Gucci bags out the back door'.
This is an article article explaining it all:
https://jingdaily.com/china-counterfeit-report-do-...
Yes I've heard that and it applies to sportswear since the beginning of time. Alot of items though are made in one country and finished in the next with the 'made in...'. Chinese production is alot more than cheap electronics and flotsam on Alibaba or AliExpress. I've had things brought back from places like Thailand for me, items like a Canada Goose jacket and a North Face weatherproof jacket and the level of finish and detail is such that you really start to think "it's real", right down to the ghosted writing on linings and on zips etc. Even the 'proof of authenticity labels, stickers and holograms are there.
But the truth of the matter is that the fakers are just really very good.
My mums friend has done long haul cabin crew for 25 years and always bings these 'factory extras' bags back as well.
The factories producing high end fashion are far too strictly controlled and monitored to allow 'a few thousand Gucci bags out the back door'.
This is an article article explaining it all:
https://jingdaily.com/china-counterfeit-report-do-...
To get the goods my wife had to be picked up by a middleman and taken by taxi to a backstreet district. Something I wasn't happy with. They weren't for sale on a stall or to westerners who work as air hostesses.
The leather thickness, stitching, bag they come in etc.
I've seen Boss suits that look like a good M&S suit but something wasn't right. Ditto fake watches. I've only ever seen one convincing one was a Bell.
Edited by Sa Calobra on Thursday 26th April 16:25
davek_964 said:
I think it was on another thread, but somebody asked why you're even on the forum. It's primarily a car forum but you only ever seem to post here - and even then, you seem intent on posting contentious issues, and even repeat similar threads.
I never saw an answer.
You seem to object to being called a troll, and yet you've joined a car forum where you only ever post on the watch section, and even then only subjects that would obviously cause debate.
Why are you here? Think you said you're retired - is it really that boring? You remind me of the recently banned Yipper who's only contributions were to cause arguments - although he posted in more areas than you, but fortunately got banned in the end.
This section is a watch forum, I have no interest in the other parts of the site, as my favourite brand of car is Kia, and I am sure you wouldn't appreciate that either. I presume your idea of a forum is somewhere people can just agree with each other. I never saw an answer.
You seem to object to being called a troll, and yet you've joined a car forum where you only ever post on the watch section, and even then only subjects that would obviously cause debate.
Why are you here? Think you said you're retired - is it really that boring? You remind me of the recently banned Yipper who's only contributions were to cause arguments - although he posted in more areas than you, but fortunately got banned in the end.
Edited by andy.mod on Saturday 28th April 20:48
TiggerBits said:
davek_964 said:
I think it was on another thread, but somebody asked why you're even on the forum. It's primarily a car forum but you only ever seem to post here - and even then, you seem intent on posting contentious issues, and even repeat similar threads.
I never saw an answer.
You seem to object to being called a troll, and yet you've joined a car forum where you only ever post on the watch section, and even then only subjects that would obviously cause debate.
Why are you here? Think you said you're retired - is it really that boring? You remind me of the recently banned Yipper who's only contributions were to cause arguments - although he posted in more areas than you, but fortunately got banned in the end.
This section is a watch forum, I have no interest in the other parts of the site, as my favourite brand of car is Kia, and I am sure you wouldn't appreciate that either. I presume your idea of a forum is somewhere people can just agree with each other.I never saw an answer.
You seem to object to being called a troll, and yet you've joined a car forum where you only ever post on the watch section, and even then only subjects that would obviously cause debate.
Why are you here? Think you said you're retired - is it really that boring? You remind me of the recently banned Yipper who's only contributions were to cause arguments - although he posted in more areas than you, but fortunately got banned in the end.
There are dedicated watch forums, so it seems curious that you join a car forum just to post on the watch section. But each to their own.
You - and Yipper - are the reason I'm disappointed there is no Ignore list. You add no value.
Edited by andy.mod on Saturday 28th April 20:49
davek_964 said:
TiggerBits said:
davek_964 said:
I think it was on another thread, but somebody asked why you're even on the forum. It's primarily a car forum but you only ever seem to post here - and even then, you seem intent on posting contentious issues, and even repeat similar threads.
I never saw an answer.
You seem to object to being called a troll, and yet you've joined a car forum where you only ever post on the watch section, and even then only subjects that would obviously cause debate.
Why are you here? Think you said you're retired - is it really that boring? You remind me of the recently banned Yipper who's only contributions were to cause arguments - although he posted in more areas than you, but fortunately got banned in the end.
This section is a watch forum, I have no interest in the other parts of the site, as my favourite brand of car is Kia, and I am sure you wouldn't appreciate that either. I presume your idea of a forum is somewhere people can just agree with each other.I never saw an answer.
You seem to object to being called a troll, and yet you've joined a car forum where you only ever post on the watch section, and even then only subjects that would obviously cause debate.
Why are you here? Think you said you're retired - is it really that boring? You remind me of the recently banned Yipper who's only contributions were to cause arguments - although he posted in more areas than you, but fortunately got banned in the end.
There are dedicated watch forums, so it seems curious that you join a car forum just to post on the watch section. But each to their own.
You - and Yipper - are the reason I'm disappointed there is no Ignore list. You add no value.
The justification which he's given is valid, but can be comparable of going McDonald's for their apple slices.
Edited by andy.mod on Saturday 28th April 20:50
TiggerBits said:
This section is a watch forum, I have no interest in the other parts of the site, as my favourite brand of car is Kia, and I am sure you wouldn't appreciate that either. I presume your idea of a forum is somewhere people can just agree with each other.
My idea of a decent forum is where people don’t pretend they know much more than they actually do and do respect the experts who can offer a lot of knowledge.Rather than those who join purely to troll, when they have a very limited understanding of the subject they are talking about...
Edited by andy.mod on Saturday 28th April 20:50
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