Astonishing discussion with my local Rolex dealer.
Discussion
gizlaroc said:
The 214270 model that came out in 2010 went from 36mm to 39mm, but it somehow wears bigger, or as big, as the 41mm datejust.
Looks great anyway. I’ve got a new watch justifying event coming up soon so am interested in some of these more understated Rolex’s but still want something iconic that my kids will want to wear after I’m gone.
I’m not getting involved in any trials to prove my worth or taking instructions from a dealership though.
It's a tricky one this whole issue of dealers retaining paperwork. On the one hand, I hate it, because it's my watch and I therefore expect to be given everything it comes with. If I want to keep the stickers on, I should be able to.
On the other hand, the limited supply of some models means prices have continued to rise. People have therefore been buying and selling on at a profit. This means those who legitimately want a particular model may struggle to buy one. If retaining paperwork is a way of controlling this, then it's hard to criticise.
Making more watches would address the issue, but it would also affect the residuals - which nobody would want.
I'm therefore glad that I bought my Sub and Milgauss before all the above kicked in.
Personally, I still think used is the way to go. You get a discount, no waiting, and all of the paperwork. You'll also benefit from the same residuals someone buying a new watch would enjoy. I appreciate this option doesn't apply to some of the more in demand models - mainly the BLNR and Daytonas.
If you do want a new watch, I'd say stick your name on a couple of lists and wait. It won't be the four years or whatever the dealer quotes, and when the watch does arrive, it will be a nice surprise.
If the current situation irritates you - then don't buy one. Simple. As plenty of people have said there are lots of other fine watches out there.
On the other hand, the limited supply of some models means prices have continued to rise. People have therefore been buying and selling on at a profit. This means those who legitimately want a particular model may struggle to buy one. If retaining paperwork is a way of controlling this, then it's hard to criticise.
Making more watches would address the issue, but it would also affect the residuals - which nobody would want.
I'm therefore glad that I bought my Sub and Milgauss before all the above kicked in.
Personally, I still think used is the way to go. You get a discount, no waiting, and all of the paperwork. You'll also benefit from the same residuals someone buying a new watch would enjoy. I appreciate this option doesn't apply to some of the more in demand models - mainly the BLNR and Daytonas.
If you do want a new watch, I'd say stick your name on a couple of lists and wait. It won't be the four years or whatever the dealer quotes, and when the watch does arrive, it will be a nice surprise.
If the current situation irritates you - then don't buy one. Simple. As plenty of people have said there are lots of other fine watches out there.
El stovey said:
Bedlamater said:
We live in the era of the Hypebeast, millions of people being influenced by others into wanting what they never realised they wanted, and when they can’t have it they want it even more.. At that point the consumer either pays over the odds, sits on a waiting list, or does what the desired brand really wants them to do and buy something else from the brand, and they do...
Some do. Plenty of people though will do option four, which recognises it’s madness and goes to buy something else. What’s wrong though is wanting any consumer good so much you are willing to do this stuff. Sit back and think about it for a moment. It’s really not normal behaviour.
Also if you go for ‘option four’ then to Rolex and all those brands you’re not really the customer they want and they already have someone else up who wants the watch/product, probably 30 times over...
Have you honestly never wanted something so much you’ve jumped through hoops to get it?? As a kid I collected tokens from Rice Crispies to get a hat that I had to wait 28 days for delivery, took forever, even longer in the mind of a child, but I still remember the day it arrived and how cool I thought it and I was...
gizlaroc said:
The 214270 model that came out in 2010 went from 36mm to 39mm, but it somehow wears bigger, or as big, as the 41mm datejust.
That's because the datejust 41 actually measures 39mm on the calipers according to some on the rolexforums and the lugs have been slimmed down as has the bezel, the old DJ II measured 41.5mm and is quite a bit bigger, taller and broader across the lugs and with a bigger bezel . The DJ II is bigger (taller/wider) than the GMT/Sub/daytona and has more wrist presence due to the larger 31/32mm dial, the GMT/SUB SS sports watches have small dials at around 27-28mm.
I'm always amazed at how small the entry level SS Rolex sports watches are in real life the Daytona bezel is measured at around 38mm which really makes the watch quite delicate to look at.
Wills2 said:
That's because the datejust 41 actually measures 39mm on the calipers according to some on the rolexforums and the lugs have been slimmed down as has the bezel, the old DJ II measured 41.5mm and is quite a bit bigger, taller and broader across the lugs and with a bigger bezel .
Thanks for that. I’ve never had any conditions imposed on anything that I have bought from Rolex.
I have
Old Explorer II
New Explorer II
Black and Blue GMT Master
Steel Daytona
Submariner without date
Ceramic Daytona
And in each case I paid the price, and took the watch away, with no discussion about what I planned to do with it.
I have
Old Explorer II
New Explorer II
Black and Blue GMT Master
Steel Daytona
Submariner without date
Ceramic Daytona
And in each case I paid the price, and took the watch away, with no discussion about what I planned to do with it.
traffman said:
We were in Geneva last week and could not find any Steel Sports Rolex . And thats bloody Geneva!
No airport has any , and i cant see any in the shops here. Plenty of pre owned though.
Geneva Airport got me my ceramic Daytona, and the previous time ai was through sold me a steel Daytona without any ore-order or waiting list.No airport has any , and i cant see any in the shops here. Plenty of pre owned though.
Any truth in the polar exp II being stuck on the long list? I had never experienced, or been told of, a lack of avaibility for one of these until I finally decided to pull the trigger on one last week and got told by a local Goldsmiths it would be an indeterminate amount of time before one appears; I understand GMT and DSSD popularity etc., but an Exp II?! To be honest, I felt that this was a bit of marketing bluff from the salesperson but still haven't been told availability.
Does anyone know the realistic wait on these?
Does anyone know the realistic wait on these?
Edited by JIMMYJ4ZZ on Sunday 10th June 00:33
JIMMYJ4ZZ said:
Any truth in the polar exp II being stuck on the long list? I had never experienced, or been told of, a lack of avaibility for one of these until I finally decided to pull the trigger on one last week and got told by a local Goldsmiths it would be an indeterminate amount of time before one appears; I understand GMT and DSSD popularity etc., but an Exp II?! To be honest, I felt that this was a bit of marketing bluff from the salesperson but still haven't been told availability.
Does anyone know the realistic wait on these?
Nobody knows.Does anyone know the realistic wait on these?
All sports SS models (incl previously easy to find Exp 2) are now in limited supply to AD's.
Rolex press release on the lack of stainless steel professional sports watches;
“Dear Special Customers and Flippers,
It has come to our notice that SS904L - the steel we use in our current range of Professional Sports Watches has become very hard to come by due to Steel makers not being arsed.
Rolex have however identified an alternative to 904L call Unobtainium as a material to be used instead. Unobtainium takes on a significant and more pronounced shine than 904L when polished - so much so, that it becomes very difficult to see. It is also very light due to its low density molecular bonded structure that will make it feel like air on your wrist.
Every Authorised Dealer will be receiving sufficient supply of these new and exciting watc........
“Dear Special Customers and Flippers,
It has come to our notice that SS904L - the steel we use in our current range of Professional Sports Watches has become very hard to come by due to Steel makers not being arsed.
Rolex have however identified an alternative to 904L call Unobtainium as a material to be used instead. Unobtainium takes on a significant and more pronounced shine than 904L when polished - so much so, that it becomes very difficult to see. It is also very light due to its low density molecular bonded structure that will make it feel like air on your wrist.
Every Authorised Dealer will be receiving sufficient supply of these new and exciting watc........
Edited by Guycord on Sunday 10th June 12:55
JIMMYJ4ZZ said:
Any truth in the polar exp II being stuck on the long list? I had never experienced, or been told of, a lack of avaibility for one of these until I finally decided to pull the trigger on one last week and got told by a local Goldsmiths it would be an indeterminate amount of time before one appears; I understand GMT and DSSD popularity etc., but an Exp II?! To be honest, I felt that this was a bit of marketing bluff from the salesperson but still haven't been told availability.
Does anyone know the realistic wait on these?
Your dealer’s talking bullsDoes anyone know the realistic wait on these?
Edited by JIMMYJ4ZZ on Sunday 10th June 00:33
t (for whatever reason). A polar Explorer II is not hard to get hold of and there is currently one in the window of my local Goldsmiths, or was this lunch time.(Goldsmiths will transfer watches between shops FOC btw).
LaurasOtherHalf said:
...there is currently one in the window of my local Goldsmiths, or was this lunch time
Thank you for this, this is very interesting as they said there was none in group stock; maybe they just didn't like the look of me! I am going to call a couple tomorrow and see what they say. In my mind it seems like dealers are trying to create, or at least encourage, the aura of exclusivity that comes with supply constraints.
JIMMYJ4ZZ said:
Thank you for this, this is very interesting as they said there was none in group stock; maybe they just didn't like the look of me! I am going to call a couple tomorrow and see what they say.
In my mind it seems like dealers are trying to create, or at least encourage, the aura of exclusivity that comes with supply constraints.
JJ, In my mind it seems like dealers are trying to create, or at least encourage, the aura of exclusivity that comes with supply constraints.
You profl looks like SW U.K. Give MSpiers a look over. I regularly see Explorers there. Better chance the more SW you go.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
JIMMYJ4ZZ said:
Any truth in the polar exp II being stuck on the long list? I had never experienced, or been told of, a lack of avaibility for one of these until I finally decided to pull the trigger on one last week and got told by a local Goldsmiths it would be an indeterminate amount of time before one appears; I understand GMT and DSSD popularity etc., but an Exp II?! To be honest, I felt that this was a bit of marketing bluff from the salesperson but still haven't been told availability.
Does anyone know the realistic wait on these?
Your dealer’s talking bullsDoes anyone know the realistic wait on these?
Edited by JIMMYJ4ZZ on Sunday 10th June 00:33
t (for whatever reason). A polar Explorer II is not hard to get hold of and there is currently one in the window of my local Goldsmiths, or was this lunch time.(Goldsmiths will transfer watches between shops FOC btw).
Talking to a sales guy in WoS Regent Street yesterday, he told me that even the bi-metal sports watches are very hard to come by now, or 'hot items' as he put it.
I should have snapped up the non-date S/S Sub I saw in Verona the other week. Last month an AD near Stuttgart had a S/S date Sub and a Batman.
I should have snapped up the non-date S/S Sub I saw in Verona the other week. Last month an AD near Stuttgart had a S/S date Sub and a Batman.
Edited by Maxym on Thursday 14th June 09:30
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