How long will the Rolex Bubble Last
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hixster said:
lol.. hmm yes mate. For someone which such a great collection, i'm surprised you haven't contributed more to the wrist check forum https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... ;-)
El stovey said:
Four watches I have bought from a large AD with zero history of purchases prior and zero other items bought;
BLNR
Sub LV
Daytona Ceramic
Sea Dweller Single Red Anniversary.
All in the last 18 months.
Exactly. Did you have to buy them in a special sequence or complete any trials to enable you to purchase them?
And loads of other posters have reported doing similar. Presumably you aren’t a celebrity?
This is a contradiction in terms - 4 watch from "a large AD" - singular. The same one.BLNR
Sub LV
Daytona Ceramic
Sea Dweller Single Red Anniversary.
All in the last 18 months.
Exactly. Did you have to buy them in a special sequence or complete any trials to enable you to purchase them?
And loads of other posters have reported doing similar. Presumably you aren’t a celebrity?
If you buy 4 watches, that is a purchasing history.
He has a relationship. As I said.
Nano2nd said:
yellowtang said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Four watches I have bought from a large AD with zero history of purchases prior and zero other items bought;
BLNR
Sub LV
Daytona Ceramic
Sea Dweller Single Red Anniversary.
All in the last 18 months.
There is, I suspect something that you aren't telling us though?.............BLNR
Sub LV
Daytona Ceramic
Sea Dweller Single Red Anniversary.
All in the last 18 months.
El stovey said:
Why cant you except that your experience of buying Rolexes might not be the same as everyone else’s and your procedures don’t apply to all dealerships or buyers.
Because I know he has a relationship with the dealer for a fact and that it is you who can’t accept that this is the way it is. Albeit one or two people, The vast majority of posts confirm this and you can’t accept it.
Edited by hixster on Monday 28th January 21:44
I wouldn’t say I’m anything special, when I got the BLNR I hadn’t even visited the AD in question. Rang them up, explained the genuine story of why I wanted it (it was for someone else) and said I was happy to wait but it would be perfect if it was available for a certain date.
Every time I get one I ask for something else. No pressure, no demands.
Only difference was for the BLRO GMT, I opened the book on it apparently as I saw the teaser video for it and said I’d have one but I’m yet to get one.
Apparently I’m now a “VIP” customer but I don’t think that means anything more than being invited to a couple of special evenings. I do try to turn up even though I live a good 60 miles away from them.
No back handers, no greasing up to sales staff.
No relationship either, if I stopped buying I’m sure they’ve plenty of better customers they can still sell to.
Since last summer they keep the guarantee cards for 12 months, I’m fine with that.
Every time I get one I ask for something else. No pressure, no demands.
Only difference was for the BLRO GMT, I opened the book on it apparently as I saw the teaser video for it and said I’d have one but I’m yet to get one.
Apparently I’m now a “VIP” customer but I don’t think that means anything more than being invited to a couple of special evenings. I do try to turn up even though I live a good 60 miles away from them.
No back handers, no greasing up to sales staff.
No relationship either, if I stopped buying I’m sure they’ve plenty of better customers they can still sell to.
Since last summer they keep the guarantee cards for 12 months, I’m fine with that.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I wouldn’t say I’m anything special, when I got the BLNR I hadn’t even visited the AD in question. Rang them up, explained the genuine story of why I wanted it (it was for someone else) and said I was happy to wait but it would be perfect if it was available for a certain date.
Every time I get one I ask for something else. No pressure, no demands.
Only difference was for the BLRO GMT, I opened the book on it apparently as I saw the teaser video for it and said I’d have one but I’m yet to get one.
Apparently I’m now a “VIP” customer but I don’t think that means anything more than being invited to a couple of special evenings. I do try to turn up even though I live a good 60 miles away from them.
No back handers, no greasing up to sales staff.
No relationship either, if I stopped buying I’m sure they’ve plenty of better customers they can still sell to.
Since last summer they keep the guarantee cards for 12 months, I’m fine with that.
Many thanks for sharing the collection, some lovely watches in there. My local AD keeps the card for six, but not too bothered about that either.Every time I get one I ask for something else. No pressure, no demands.
Only difference was for the BLRO GMT, I opened the book on it apparently as I saw the teaser video for it and said I’d have one but I’m yet to get one.
Apparently I’m now a “VIP” customer but I don’t think that means anything more than being invited to a couple of special evenings. I do try to turn up even though I live a good 60 miles away from them.
No back handers, no greasing up to sales staff.
No relationship either, if I stopped buying I’m sure they’ve plenty of better customers they can still sell to.
Since last summer they keep the guarantee cards for 12 months, I’m fine with that.
I like the black face watch for mine I chose white.
So, the Daytona was your third purchase from the same dealer after buying the two other watches?
Edited by hixster on Monday 28th January 22:13
hixster said:
Many thanks for sharing the collection, some lovely watches in there. My local AD keeps the card for six, but not too bothered about that either.
I like the black face watch for mine I chose white.
So, the Daytona was your third purchase from the same dealer after buying the two other watches?
Yep, although I got the SD anniversary before the Daytona as that was quite a special one for me-bought to replace a nice old 16600.I like the black face watch for mine I chose white.
So, the Daytona was your third purchase from the same dealer after buying the two other watches?
Edited by hixster on Monday 28th January 22:13
Might help that when I turn up the SD is always on my wrist, usually filthy. They might not care either way? Anyway, I'm still waiting on the BLRO so I'm obviously not all that important but to be honest, if they can keep some other buyers happy while giving me first dibs on the other ones I've wanted I'm not fussed-I'll get one eventually.
El stovey said:
Why cant you except that your experience of buying Rolexes might not be the same as everyone else’s and your procedures don’t apply to all dealerships or buyers.
Whoops - It looks like my buying experience has been exactly the same as LaurasOtherHalf,A GMT, Sub then the Daytona? As per my original post.
hixster said:
El stovey said:
Why cant you except that your experience of buying Rolexes might not be the same as everyone else’s and your procedures don’t apply to all dealerships or buyers.
Whoops - It looks like my buying experience has been exactly the same as LaurasOtherHalf,A GMT, Sub then the Daytona? As per my original post.
You even concede yourself that some people haven’t bought according to your “uk procedure” there’s loads of dealerships selling watches how they want and to who they want.
It’s nonsense to suggest they’re all following the same “procedure”
El stovey said:
So what? that’s just the order he wanted them. How do you know they wouldn’t have sold him the Daytona first or second or whatever.
You even concede yourself that some people haven’t bought according to your “uk procedure” there’s loads of dealerships selling watches how they want and to who they want.
It’s nonsense to suggest they’re all following the same “procedure”
Give it up mate, you lost this argument a long time ago. You're beginning to look a bit silly now.You even concede yourself that some people haven’t bought according to your “uk procedure” there’s loads of dealerships selling watches how they want and to who they want.
It’s nonsense to suggest they’re all following the same “procedure”
hixster said:
Give it up mate, you lost this argument a long time ago. You're beginning to look a bit silly now.
You’ve even conceded that there are people on this thread that haven’t followed your “U.K. procedure” you even admitted that it was just “your theory” about having to buy watches in some kind of ascending price order.There is no standard procedure, that’s just what your dealership does or what you imagine it does. How can you possibly know how every dealership will allocate watches that get delivered to them? You’re just assuming that because your dealership does it like this, they all do.
It’s a bit worrying that you believe this nonsense.
That you have to buy a ascending ladder of watches before you’ll be allowed to buy a Daytona. I’m actually surprised you’re admitting you’re willing to play this game on a public forum.
Fair enough if you are happy (it’s your money) to do it that way but others have confirmed that’s not what they had to do.
To answer the original question though. The bubble will exist as long as people like you exist.
El stovey said:
hixster said:
Give it up mate, you lost this argument a long time ago. You're beginning to look a bit silly now.
You’ve even conceded that there are people on this thread that haven’t followed your “U.K. procedure” you even admitted that it was just “your theory” about having to buy watches in some kind of ascending price order.There is no standard procedure, that’s just what your dealership does or what you imagine it does. How can you possibly know how every dealership will allocate watches that get delivered to them? You’re just assuming that because your dealership does it like this, they all do.
It’s a bit worrying that you believe this nonsense.
That you have to buy a ascending ladder of watches before you’ll be allowed to buy a Daytona. I’m actually surprised you’re admitting you’re willing to play this game on a public forum.
Fair enough if you are happy (it’s your money) to do it that way but others have confirmed that’s not what they had to do.
To answer the original question though. The bubble will exist as long as people like you exist.
Most of the answers state that they have bought watches from the AD before being offered the watch. But you seem to be choosing to ignore this. Yes. There are the odd one or too exceptions to this - mostly in Switzerland - But the norm is to reward loyal customers.
I’ve told you this, Lauras other half has said the same
I’ve posted 3 videos from Daytona owners all saying the same..
You’ll find may comments saying the same as far back a 2016. So people who actually have the watch are telling you how they bought it.
As someone who doesn’t own the watch, I don’t why it upsets you so much that Rolex has a policy of selling to their loyal customers, there is nothing unusual about that. Maybe it’s because you can’t get one?
Edited by hixster on Tuesday 29th January 08:08
hixster said:
El stovey said:
hixster said:
Give it up mate, you lost this argument a long time ago. You're beginning to look a bit silly now.
You’ve even conceded that there are people on this thread that haven’t followed your “U.K. procedure” you even admitted that it was just “your theory” about having to buy watches in some kind of ascending price order.There is no standard procedure, that’s just what your dealership does or what you imagine it does. How can you possibly know how every dealership will allocate watches that get delivered to them? You’re just assuming that because your dealership does it like this, they all do.
It’s a bit worrying that you believe this nonsense.
That you have to buy a ascending ladder of watches before you’ll be allowed to buy a Daytona. I’m actually surprised you’re admitting you’re willing to play this game on a public forum.
Fair enough if you are happy (it’s your money) to do it that way but others have confirmed that’s not what they had to do.
To answer the original question though. The bubble will exist as long as people like you exist.
Most of the answers state that they have bought watches from the AD before being offered the watch. But you seem to be choosing to ignore this. Yes. There are the odd one or too exceptions to this - mostly in Switzerland - But the norm is to reward loyal customers.
I’ve told you this, Lauras other half has said the same
I’ve posted 3 videos from Daytona owners all saying the same..
You’ll find may comments saying the same as far back a 2016. So people who actually have the watch are telling you how they bought it.
As someone who doesn’t own the watch, I don’t why it upsets you so much that Rolex has a policy of selling to their loyal customers, there is nothing unusual about that. Maybe it’s because you can’t get one?
Edited by hixster on Tuesday 29th January 08:08
Told her it was for my 30th, just so happened to drop them an email and remind them on the day a Ceramic Daytona (black) was delivered.
I have been offered £12k w/o the paperwork, so obviously there are a fair few people out there willing to pay overs, mine will be going in Aug / Sept as I fancy a classic car and I never wear it, I find them to shiny and in your face. I might get a Milgauss, probably the nicest watch they do!
Lord.Vader said:
I got one after a 6 month wait, never bought a watch from them before, kept the card for 12 months.
Told her it was for my 30th, just so happened to drop them an email and remind them on the day a Ceramic Daytona (black) was delivered.
I have been offered £12k w/o the paperwork, so obviously there are a fair few people out there willing to pay overs, mine will be going in Aug / Sept as I fancy a classic car and I never wear it, I find them to shiny and in your face. I might get a Milgauss, probably the nicest watch they do!
Why don't you have the paperwork, are you still waiting for the card still? You could get £16k+ with it.Told her it was for my 30th, just so happened to drop them an email and remind them on the day a Ceramic Daytona (black) was delivered.
I have been offered £12k w/o the paperwork, so obviously there are a fair few people out there willing to pay overs, mine will be going in Aug / Sept as I fancy a classic car and I never wear it, I find them to shiny and in your face. I might get a Milgauss, probably the nicest watch they do!
Edited by hixster on Tuesday 29th January 17:09
From the AD's i have dealt with, and visited, the criteria is pretty much usually a mix of or one or more of the following for whether you'll be allocated a 'desirable Rolex model'
-Current Rolex, or past multiple items (Rolex) (family past purchases etc)
-Current Jewellery customer (as most AD's sell other things not just Rolex) and as such a purchase history goes some way to helping them decide
-Postcode, seems important one, as most AD's are not as willing to sell to people who live outside the area (I've been told this over and over and from my experience this is true) and i think i agree with this one.
-If you were to make a purchase on a less 'desirable' non prof model, say a DJ, or a Lady's model, they will nearly always ensure your looked after for other stuff like Steel prof models etc etc
One AD has told me its hard to generate new customers, because most of the business is done with past customers, and they not only dont need to sell anymore stock, they often simply dont have it. Allocations is split between sales, so 70/30 in that they need to sell 70% non professional in order to be allocated from Rolex their 30% of the professional models, and this is the sales split.
Meeting the overall sales allocation is that too hard, and most sales are past or current customers with the specific AD/Jeweller. You cant really blame them i suppose, its simply looking after those who spend regularly with them, it makes their job of allocating (the very small stock) of the steel prof easier if they have a ready past customer base who wants them who have spent £xxx already in store. as such most never see the windows of the AD because they are sold already on arrival, or well before they arrive in store.
Whether i agree with all of this, not sure, but each AD is free to do what they like with the stock once it arrives, but i dont see how the 'man/woman' on the street is ever going to just 'walk in' find one of these desirable models in stock, and walk out with it. Supply/demand makes that harder still, and with such a high % going to past customers its rare to see a steel prof model in a AD window.
There are always an exception to this, of course, it happens, but thats more luck than the norm in my experience.
I dont know what the answer is, apart from building up some sort of history with a AD over time, its unlikely things are going to change soon or supply increase, its been 2 years or longer since these sorts of watches have been in AD windows for outright sale.
I've found that patience is the key, and i know that does not help when you want one for an occasion (wedding, birthday) all i can say is tell the AD what you want it for, its watch flippers that AD's hate the most, which has in part led to things like keeping papers, which shouldn't worry the owner who wants to own, wear and enjoy one.
Good luck to all in search.
Andy
-Current Rolex, or past multiple items (Rolex) (family past purchases etc)
-Current Jewellery customer (as most AD's sell other things not just Rolex) and as such a purchase history goes some way to helping them decide
-Postcode, seems important one, as most AD's are not as willing to sell to people who live outside the area (I've been told this over and over and from my experience this is true) and i think i agree with this one.
-If you were to make a purchase on a less 'desirable' non prof model, say a DJ, or a Lady's model, they will nearly always ensure your looked after for other stuff like Steel prof models etc etc
One AD has told me its hard to generate new customers, because most of the business is done with past customers, and they not only dont need to sell anymore stock, they often simply dont have it. Allocations is split between sales, so 70/30 in that they need to sell 70% non professional in order to be allocated from Rolex their 30% of the professional models, and this is the sales split.
Meeting the overall sales allocation is that too hard, and most sales are past or current customers with the specific AD/Jeweller. You cant really blame them i suppose, its simply looking after those who spend regularly with them, it makes their job of allocating (the very small stock) of the steel prof easier if they have a ready past customer base who wants them who have spent £xxx already in store. as such most never see the windows of the AD because they are sold already on arrival, or well before they arrive in store.
Whether i agree with all of this, not sure, but each AD is free to do what they like with the stock once it arrives, but i dont see how the 'man/woman' on the street is ever going to just 'walk in' find one of these desirable models in stock, and walk out with it. Supply/demand makes that harder still, and with such a high % going to past customers its rare to see a steel prof model in a AD window.
There are always an exception to this, of course, it happens, but thats more luck than the norm in my experience.
I dont know what the answer is, apart from building up some sort of history with a AD over time, its unlikely things are going to change soon or supply increase, its been 2 years or longer since these sorts of watches have been in AD windows for outright sale.
I've found that patience is the key, and i know that does not help when you want one for an occasion (wedding, birthday) all i can say is tell the AD what you want it for, its watch flippers that AD's hate the most, which has in part led to things like keeping papers, which shouldn't worry the owner who wants to own, wear and enjoy one.
Good luck to all in search.
Andy
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