Has the Rolex bubble finally burst? Perhaps it has

Has the Rolex bubble finally burst? Perhaps it has

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Riff Raff

5,131 posts

196 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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eccles said:
lowdrag said:
DavidCBevan said:
Stainless Daytona is also my forever watch.

It will be until your eyesight changes, then like ,me, you'll need something that you can read without trying to find your reading glasses in the middle of the night. Believe me, that day will come. And you will unerstand that there are some "inferior" watches fit the bill.
I'm there already. I hardly wear my vintage chronographs any more.
After wanting a Daytona for years, when I got one I flipped it within 3 months for that exact same reason. Chronos I can still cope with without bins are the Speedy Pro and IWC Pilots.

Pflanzgarten

3,985 posts

26 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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Riff Raff said:
eccles said:
lowdrag said:
DavidCBevan said:
Stainless Daytona is also my forever watch.

It will be until your eyesight changes, then like ,me, you'll need something that you can read without trying to find your reading glasses in the middle of the night. Believe me, that day will come. And you will unerstand that there are some "inferior" watches fit the bill.
I'm there already. I hardly wear my vintage chronographs any more.
After wanting a Daytona for years, when I got one I flipped it within 3 months for that exact same reason. Chronos I can still cope with without bins are the Speedy Pro and IWC Pilots.
Genuinely find the black dials easier to read and nicer to look at. If not for investment I just don’t see the appeal in the white dial as it’s not even a true panda dial (imho)

Wilmslowboy

4,216 posts

207 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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Values might be turning, but performed well over the last 12 months (up 29%)

"The index is made up of the top 50 most traded models on the pre-owned market, together they account for over 20% of total spend globally"

https://beta.subdial.co/market


981SPYGANG

411 posts

51 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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Pflanzgarten said:
Genuinely find the black dials easier to read and nicer to look at. If not for investment I just don’t see the appeal in the white dial as it’s not even a true panda dial (imho)
I disagree and much prefer white. What’s the relevance of ‘it’s not even a true Panda?’

Great that we don’t all like the same!

Pflanzgarten

3,985 posts

26 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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981SPYGANG said:
Pflanzgarten said:
Genuinely find the black dials easier to read and nicer to look at. If not for investment I just don’t see the appeal in the white dial as it’s not even a true panda dial (imho)
I disagree and much prefer white. What’s the relevance of ‘it’s not even a true Panda?’

Great that we don’t all like the same!
The panda dial references the black sub dials on a white face, whereas the current white dial daytona only has the marker tracks of the sub dials in contrasting black.


Harry Flashman

19,387 posts

243 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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Pflanzgarten said:
Genuinely find the black dials easier to read and nicer to look at. If not for investment I just don’t see the appeal in the white dial as it’s not even a true panda dial (imho)
I have the white dial and I agree. Was thinking of selling the Panda and buying a grey market black dial, effectively getting myself a free Daytona. But the market means the price differential is probably not so great that I can do this now.

MrJuice

3,375 posts

157 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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Wilmslowboy said:
Values might be turning, but performed well over the last 12 months (up 29%)

"The index is made up of the top 50 most traded models on the pre-owned market, together they account for over 20% of total spend globally"

https://beta.subdial.co/market

What data is this? Asking prices?

Wilmslowboy

4,216 posts

207 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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MrJuice said:
Wilmslowboy said:
Values might be turning, but performed well over the last 12 months (up 29%)

"The index is made up of the top 50 most traded models on the pre-owned market, together they account for over 20% of total spend globally"

https://beta.subdial.co/market

What data is this? Asking prices?
Asking price - The site says

"The calculation takes into account the latest market price of each of the 50 models.....Our data model is proprietary, it is updated daily with listings from around the world. To date, we have analysed over 140m data points for more than 2m individual listings."

wong

1,292 posts

217 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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As an aside, does anyone know how much it costs to have a Daytona serviced. I don't have one, but my GMT cost ~£400 at an official service centre and that was 15 years ago, which put me off wearing it regularly. Normal watches have ~ 230 parts or so (GMT may have a few more), chronographs have something like 400 parts so £££ more.

Meeten-5dulx

2,600 posts

57 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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wong said:
As an aside, does anyone know how much it costs to have a Daytona serviced. I don't have one, but my GMT cost ~£400 at an official service centre and that was 15 years ago, which put me off wearing it regularly. Normal watches have ~ 230 parts or so (GMT may have a few more), chronographs have something like 400 parts so £££ more.
Not wearing it is prob more harmful…

I didn’t get a Deep Sea I was offered as it was £1k to service h
(And way too chunky to wear regularly)

wong

1,292 posts

217 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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Meeten-5dulx said:
Not wearing it is prob more harmful…

I didn’t get a Deep Sea I was offered as it was £1k to service h
(And way too chunky to wear regularly)
Oh, I still wear it, but only for special occasions 3-4 times a year.
Progressed to Orange Monsters and SKX007s, then on to G-Shocks.

ghiblicup

605 posts

215 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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wong said:
As an aside, does anyone know how much it costs to have a Daytona serviced. I don't have one, but my GMT cost ~£400 at an official service centre and that was 15 years ago, which put me off wearing it regularly. Normal watches have ~ 230 parts or so (GMT may have a few more), chronographs have something like 400 parts so £££ more.
It’s £1000 and takes around three months from Rolex

Pflanzgarten

3,985 posts

26 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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Meeten-5dulx said:
wong said:
As an aside, does anyone know how much it costs to have a Daytona serviced. I don't have one, but my GMT cost ~£400 at an official service centre and that was 15 years ago, which put me off wearing it regularly. Normal watches have ~ 230 parts or so (GMT may have a few more), chronographs have something like 400 parts so £££ more.
Not wearing it is prob more harmful…

I didn’t get a Deep Sea I was offered as it was £1k to service h
(And way too chunky to wear regularly)
Daytona and the Sea Dweller and Deep Sea watches are and always have been more expensive to service, by comparison the GMTs are good value.

The deep watches get hammered as they need to be tested and efficient at the depth rating they claim.

lowdrag

12,905 posts

214 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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Riff Raff said:
After wanting a Daytona for years, when I got one I flipped it within 3 months for that exact same reason. Chronos I can still cope with without bins are the Speedy Pro and IWC Pilots.
The very reason I wear this. I have to go 120 miles to see the Little Prince but there is a dealer near to our holidays this year so I'll try one on. I marvel at Rolex engineering and especially their brilliant advertising placement, but a watch is useless if you can't tell the time!





Edited by lowdrag on Sunday 26th June 06:46

Pflanzgarten

3,985 posts

26 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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lowdrag said:
Riff Raff said:
After wanting a Daytona for years, when I got one I flipped it within 3 months for that exact same reason. Chronos I can still cope with without bins are the Speedy Pro and IWC Pilots.
The very reason I wear this. I have to go 120 miles to see the Little Prince but there is a dealer near to our holidays this year so I'll try one on. I marvel at Rolex engineering and especially their brilliant advertising placement, but a watch is useless if you can't tell the time!





Edited by lowdrag on Sunday 26th June 06:46
Hard to fault Rolex for your poor eyesight though.

lowdrag

12,905 posts

214 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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I am not holding anything against Rolex. I admire them. But as you grow older - it's not an option you know - you need reading glasses, then the luminosity starts to decline. I have four watches but now only wear one - the one I can read at night without reading glasses. because as you get old you sleep less too. One day even you may grow old.

Pflanzgarten

3,985 posts

26 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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lowdrag said:
I am not holding anything against Rolex. I admire them. But as you grow older - it's not an option you know - you need reading glasses, then the luminosity starts to decline. I have four watches but now only wear one - the one I can read at night without reading glasses. because as you get old you sleep less too. One day even you may grow old.
Well I hope so!

But there's also lots of other things you can't do as well when you're older, or small things you can't see-none are the fault of the manufacturer. My father hasn't really been able to read his champagne dialled Datejust for a number of years now for the same reason, still wears it though.

944 Man

1,744 posts

133 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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lowdrag said:
I am not holding anything against Rolex. I admire them. But as you grow older - it's not an option you know - you need reading glasses, then the luminosity starts to decline. I have four watches but now only wear one - the one I can read at night without reading glasses. because as you get old you sleep less too. One day even you may grow old.
Will we got crotchety, too?

lowdrag

12,905 posts

214 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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944 Man said:
Will we got crotchety, too?
Most certainly, if I am anything to go by smile

Tango13

8,460 posts

177 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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ghiblicup said:
wong said:
As an aside, does anyone know how much it costs to have a Daytona serviced. I don't have one, but my GMT cost ~£400 at an official service centre and that was 15 years ago, which put me off wearing it regularly. Normal watches have ~ 230 parts or so (GMT may have a few more), chronographs have something like 400 parts so £££ more.
It’s £1000 and takes around three months from Rolex
When I had mine serviced three years back it was about £450 plus parts.

By the time I had a new strap fitted and a few other bits and bobs the bill was only £44 less than I'd paid for it 23 years earlier.