Watch Ownership/Robberies
Discussion
Tom1312 said:
I work in London and spend an inordinate amount of time chasing feral scum on e-bikes and more recently Sur-on bikes...
I would say that the number of high value watch thefts is at a similar level that it's always been, the difference now is the MO and that everything is reported far and wide over social media so it feels (as with everything) far more prolific than it actually is.
There's always been scum who will turn you over for £1, just as there have always been coordinated gangs who target owners of high value watches.
What doesn't help is a generation of mobile phone zombies holding £500-1000 in their hand with no awareness of who or what's around them... Though personally I feel it's terrible you can't do that without scum stealing it.
The less phone zombies the better though. I would say that the number of high value watch thefts is at a similar level that it's always been, the difference now is the MO and that everything is reported far and wide over social media so it feels (as with everything) far more prolific than it actually is.
There's always been scum who will turn you over for £1, just as there have always been coordinated gangs who target owners of high value watches.
What doesn't help is a generation of mobile phone zombies holding £500-1000 in their hand with no awareness of who or what's around them... Though personally I feel it's terrible you can't do that without scum stealing it.
jm8403 said:
Do knifes not cut you?
For sure, but when you're in your teens, you think that you're 10ft tall and bullet proof. Less testosterone and bills put you in your place eventually :-) Unless I'm fighting for my life, it's not worth it.Pelicula said:
Not if you go bats
t and pick up something heavy.
Funny story for you:t and pick up something heavy.When I was in my mid 20's, I used to take kick boxing classes while I lived in Florida, I was unintentionally a little too rough with someone and the instructor decided to make an example out of me by taking me to the front for a 'demonstration' and spin kicking me in the stomach. To his surprise, all that happened was that I took 3-4 steps back. To be fair, I was expecting something.... not a spin kick to my stomach but was able to brace myself for it and move with it. The look on his face clearly told me that he didn't expect me to be standing afterwards.
I'm now coming up to 50 and while I'd love to think I'm the same guy. The reality is that if an 18-25 year old swings at me, it's going to connect and hurt, even if I saw it coming. Worse still, I have responsibilities meaning that I can't afford to be injured. I'm not going to fight anyone over a watch or a car or anything other than my life or the life of a loved one.
I'd rather avoid the whole situation by wearing a cheap $80 G-Shock which they can have if they want. I'll wear the Rolex on special occasions when I have somewhere to go, or out and about in Texas where I can also wear a 1911 (jk).
Edited by alabbasi on Tuesday 11th October 06:17
oh god....sorry chaps, and not wanting to be antagonistic....but....
i really don't think the right thing to do (if some of these stories aren't tall tales) is act like some lone wolf hardcase and start following the criminals giving them the thousand yard stare because in reality you're not going to scare them off or intimidate them... if some criminal wants your watch he'll have it. he'll have pals dotted about and will pull back and let someone else follow you. they will then all bounce up and down on you outside if you don't give up the watch/wallet or whatever it is they've seen you with.
it's not tom brown's school days where you bop the bully on the nose and he whimpers off into the crowd. no, you'll lose your arm or life for a watch more likely
i really don't think the right thing to do (if some of these stories aren't tall tales) is act like some lone wolf hardcase and start following the criminals giving them the thousand yard stare because in reality you're not going to scare them off or intimidate them... if some criminal wants your watch he'll have it. he'll have pals dotted about and will pull back and let someone else follow you. they will then all bounce up and down on you outside if you don't give up the watch/wallet or whatever it is they've seen you with.
it's not tom brown's school days where you bop the bully on the nose and he whimpers off into the crowd. no, you'll lose your arm or life for a watch more likely
tuscaneer said:
oh god....sorry chaps, and not wanting to be antagonistic....but....
i really don't think the right thing to do (if some of these stories aren't tall tales) is act like some lone wolf hardcase and start following the criminals giving them the thousand yard stare because in reality you're not going to scare them off or intimidate them... if some criminal wants your watch he'll have it. he'll have pals dotted about and will pull back and let someone else follow you. they will then all bounce up and down on you outside if you don't give up the watch/wallet or whatever it is they've seen you with.
it's not tom brown's school days where you bop the bully on the nose and he whimpers off into the crowd. no, you'll lose your arm or life for a watch more likely
Same kind of mindset that got us here in the first place.i really don't think the right thing to do (if some of these stories aren't tall tales) is act like some lone wolf hardcase and start following the criminals giving them the thousand yard stare because in reality you're not going to scare them off or intimidate them... if some criminal wants your watch he'll have it. he'll have pals dotted about and will pull back and let someone else follow you. they will then all bounce up and down on you outside if you don't give up the watch/wallet or whatever it is they've seen you with.
it's not tom brown's school days where you bop the bully on the nose and he whimpers off into the crowd. no, you'll lose your arm or life for a watch more likely
Clearly you are wrong because in my case the f
kers DID back down and thought it better to find a more vulnerable victim.Just hand it over, assume the foetal position and hope the blows soon stop ?
f
k that.Not me.
These people bleed too.
Pelicula said:
tuscaneer said:
oh god....sorry chaps, and not wanting to be antagonistic....but....
i really don't think the right thing to do (if some of these stories aren't tall tales) is act like some lone wolf hardcase and start following the criminals giving them the thousand yard stare because in reality you're not going to scare them off or intimidate them... if some criminal wants your watch he'll have it. he'll have pals dotted about and will pull back and let someone else follow you. they will then all bounce up and down on you outside if you don't give up the watch/wallet or whatever it is they've seen you with.
it's not tom brown's school days where you bop the bully on the nose and he whimpers off into the crowd. no, you'll lose your arm or life for a watch more likely
Same kind of mindset that got us here in the first place.i really don't think the right thing to do (if some of these stories aren't tall tales) is act like some lone wolf hardcase and start following the criminals giving them the thousand yard stare because in reality you're not going to scare them off or intimidate them... if some criminal wants your watch he'll have it. he'll have pals dotted about and will pull back and let someone else follow you. they will then all bounce up and down on you outside if you don't give up the watch/wallet or whatever it is they've seen you with.
it's not tom brown's school days where you bop the bully on the nose and he whimpers off into the crowd. no, you'll lose your arm or life for a watch more likely
Clearly you are wrong because in my case the f
kers DID back down and thought it better to find a more vulnerable victim.Just hand it over, assume the foetal position and hope the blows soon stop ?
f
k that.Not me.
These people bleed too.
Only 8 months to go, then you can return to NP&E.
tangerine_sedge said:
Pelicula said:
tuscaneer said:
oh god....sorry chaps, and not wanting to be antagonistic....but....
i really don't think the right thing to do (if some of these stories aren't tall tales) is act like some lone wolf hardcase and start following the criminals giving them the thousand yard stare because in reality you're not going to scare them off or intimidate them... if some criminal wants your watch he'll have it. he'll have pals dotted about and will pull back and let someone else follow you. they will then all bounce up and down on you outside if you don't give up the watch/wallet or whatever it is they've seen you with.
it's not tom brown's school days where you bop the bully on the nose and he whimpers off into the crowd. no, you'll lose your arm or life for a watch more likely
Same kind of mindset that got us here in the first place.i really don't think the right thing to do (if some of these stories aren't tall tales) is act like some lone wolf hardcase and start following the criminals giving them the thousand yard stare because in reality you're not going to scare them off or intimidate them... if some criminal wants your watch he'll have it. he'll have pals dotted about and will pull back and let someone else follow you. they will then all bounce up and down on you outside if you don't give up the watch/wallet or whatever it is they've seen you with.
it's not tom brown's school days where you bop the bully on the nose and he whimpers off into the crowd. no, you'll lose your arm or life for a watch more likely
Clearly you are wrong because in my case the f
kers DID back down and thought it better to find a more vulnerable victim.Just hand it over, assume the foetal position and hope the blows soon stop ?
f
k that.Not me.
These people bleed too.
Only 8 months to go, then you can return to NP&E.
Theres that cracked record again....
Pelicula said:
tuscaneer said:
oh god....sorry chaps, and not wanting to be antagonistic....but....
i really don't think the right thing to do (if some of these stories aren't tall tales) is act like some lone wolf hardcase and start following the criminals giving them the thousand yard stare because in reality you're not going to scare them off or intimidate them... if some criminal wants your watch he'll have it. he'll have pals dotted about and will pull back and let someone else follow you. they will then all bounce up and down on you outside if you don't give up the watch/wallet or whatever it is they've seen you with.
it's not tom brown's school days where you bop the bully on the nose and he whimpers off into the crowd. no, you'll lose your arm or life for a watch more likely
Same kind of mindset that got us here in the first place.i really don't think the right thing to do (if some of these stories aren't tall tales) is act like some lone wolf hardcase and start following the criminals giving them the thousand yard stare because in reality you're not going to scare them off or intimidate them... if some criminal wants your watch he'll have it. he'll have pals dotted about and will pull back and let someone else follow you. they will then all bounce up and down on you outside if you don't give up the watch/wallet or whatever it is they've seen you with.
it's not tom brown's school days where you bop the bully on the nose and he whimpers off into the crowd. no, you'll lose your arm or life for a watch more likely
Clearly you are wrong because in my case the f
kers DID back down and thought it better to find a more vulnerable victim.Just hand it over, assume the foetal position and hope the blows soon stop ?
f
k that.Not me.
These people bleed too.
king hurts, I personally would do what I can to avoid the experience again. Especially over a bit of metal or plastic.Pelicula said:
Same kind of mindset that got us here in the first place.
Clearly you are wrong because in my case the fkers DID back down and thought it better to find a more vulnerable victim.
Just hand it over, assume the foetal position and hope the blows soon stop ?
fk that.
Not me.
These people bleed too.
"these people bleed too" Clearly you are wrong because in my case the f
kers DID back down and thought it better to find a more vulnerable victim.Just hand it over, assume the foetal position and hope the blows soon stop ?
f
k that.Not me.
These people bleed too.
i bet that sounded great in your head before you wrote it didn't it?
there are 2 scenarios here:
a) your story is true, in which case you've been a very lucky boy and you're "dead hard", because when that sort of thing happens round here they either sort you out or end up following you home and doing the job properly. i know a guy who this happened to and the ordeal lasted about 45 minutes, all the while the threat of not opening the safe was the death of a family member in another room. i also know a guy who had 2 come through the front door and 2 through the back.. all armed with machetes
b) you're full of s
t. 
r159 said:
Getting stabbed fking hurts, I personally would do what I can to avoid the experience again. Especially over a bit of metal or plastic.
+1, actually being surrounded, attacked and stabbed in the back by youths does change your perspective somewhat. I mean, once I was stabilised I was pretty sure I was gonna be ok but it was devastating to see how upset the whole family was. king hurts, I personally would do what I can to avoid the experience again. Especially over a bit of metal or plastic.Well this thread has predictably gone all “I have a very particular set of skills”
For some balance, I have never been in a single fight or altercation in my entire life. Ever. Not even in the playground.
I have no intention of starting now.
Naturally I will try to avoid getting into a situation where I am the target of a mugging, by not having any valuables on show in risky areas, and if I do ever get confronted, I’ll just hand over my watch/wallet etc. No point in getting stabbed or even punched over something like a watch or a couple of bank cards.
For some balance, I have never been in a single fight or altercation in my entire life. Ever. Not even in the playground.
I have no intention of starting now.
Naturally I will try to avoid getting into a situation where I am the target of a mugging, by not having any valuables on show in risky areas, and if I do ever get confronted, I’ll just hand over my watch/wallet etc. No point in getting stabbed or even punched over something like a watch or a couple of bank cards.
thompson9745 said:
Criminals do bleed, it is true. I wonder if those taking issue with the comment also leave their car keys by their front doors along with a polite note saying "please take my car and don't hurt me" next to a bag of their valuables?
Might as well just donate it all to the nearest group of scumbags explaining there are no more valuables at your home and asking to be crossed off their list.With this pussy attitude its a wonder the worlds criminal gangs aren't beating a path to our shores....oh, hang on a minute.
Pelicula said:
thompson9745 said:
Criminals do bleed, it is true. I wonder if those taking issue with the comment also leave their car keys by their front doors along with a polite note saying "please take my car and don't hurt me" next to a bag of their valuables?
Might as well just donate it all to the nearest group of scumbags explaining there are no more valuables at your home and asking to be crossed off their list.With this pussy attitude its a wonder the worlds criminal gangs aren't beating a path to our shores....oh, hang on a minute.
Yeah, because if you won’t physically fight a mugger with a knife it must mean you leave all your valuables out for people to take. Makes perfect sense!
Meanwhile, back in the real world, most people take reasonable and sensible steps to ensure security. They lock their house, they lock their car, they don’t leave valuables on display, they have an alarm and/or CCTV, the don’t walk through crime ridden areas at night, and so on.
But generally they don’t wish to be injured (or killed) by trying to fight criminals, over something which is insured and easy to replace.
Why is it in my interests to engage in a physical altercation over something I can simply replace?
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 12th October 14:06
reggie82 said:
Lord Marylebone said:
I guess they don’t know. I imagine it’s a case of steal first then check for authenticity later.
Even if counterfeit, they probably just get some fake documents made up for it and sell it on as genuine.Either way it isn’t a totally wasted robbery, even if they didn’t get a real watch.
It might be possible to fight off a mugger, It won't be possible to fight off multiple attackers. Sadly it's very easy to be a criminal in London. The government does not allow citizens to legally arm themselves because it's the job of the police to protect you. The reality is that the police can't protect because they can't be everywhere so they come after the fact. Priority policing means that you'll be lucky if they come out at all unless you are stabbed.
alabbasi said:
It might be possible to fight off a mugger, It won't be possible to fight off multiple attackers. Sadly it's very easy to be a criminal in London. The government does not allow citizens to legally arm themselves because it's the job of the police to protect you. The reality is that the police can't protect because they can't be everywhere so they come after the fact. Priority policing means that you'll be lucky if they come out at all unless you are stabbed.
Without getting into a political debate, I think if you asked most people in the UK, they would be quite happy with the current laws regarding carrying guns and knives.We’ve all seen what happens in some countries where you can legally carry firearms or other weapons for ‘protection’. You end up with way more violent crime, and it just becomes an arms race between criminals and citizens. No thanks.
I’m 42, and never once in my life have I wished I had a gun or a knife to hand for self defence. I imagine most people are similar.
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