Have you bought one of those great looking Rolex/Omega fakes
Discussion
Mont Blanc said:
fasimew said:
I'm deadly serious. Why else would anyone wear a Rolex when there are other brands available? The number one reason is to look flash. Put it in whatever words you want.
Because some people just like to own really nice things?There are people on PH who have posted about owning numerous Rolex watches yet rarely take them out of the house, as the pleasure, for them is in owning them and enjoying looking at them.
Other people will buy them as they feel they are simply an excellent quality watch, which they are. Some posters on here have bought a Rolex and had it as their one and only watch for 20, 30, 40 years.
Some will just absolutely love the style and design of them, but not give a stuff if anyone else likes it.
Of course, some people will want to wear them as a sign of success or money, or to show off, nothing wrong with that either.
So lots of reasons to own a Rolex, or other high quality watch costing £5k, £10k, 15k and up.
Edited by Mont Blanc on Thursday 1st February 19:45
gregs656 said:
Countdown said:
gregs656 said:
Countdown said:
What's wrong with pretending it's something it's not?
I think most reception age children have a good handle on what is wrong with lying.But let's say they DO lie.....in the grand scheme of things how much damage does somebody do by pretending their Rolex is genuine?
As lies go it's up there with "My dad used to play centre forward for Man United and my girlfriend is a model", it upsets jealous/envious people (and that's mainly their own nature). Nobody is hurt by it and nobody else cares.
It could do a significant amount of damage if that person was selling it at the time.
The vast majority of the replica/copy/homage/fake community in no way endorses the selling of such watches as genuine.
Perhaps ironically, it could be argued that they are the most likely to have detailed knowledge of what differentiates a copy from the original, information that can be used to help others from unknowingly purchasing a copy.
Edited by RSTurboPaul on Friday 2nd February 02:55
fasimew said:
This is exactly why I'm not spending 5k on a real one. Because I can achieve the same thing for minimal outlay.
I'm not a Rolex person at all. I don't get the hype. I can get the same quality for a lot less. Why would I want to spend all that money to be seen wearing the same thing as every other aspirational mug? But if I could climb the social ladder for peanuts in comparison... then I'll take it.
Honestly? You don't actually like Rolex. You don't get the hype. But you want to spend a considerable amount of money, to buy a fake of a product that you don't actually like in the first place, so you can try and pass it off as a real Rolex in order to impress other people and make you look like "an aspirational mug".I'm not a Rolex person at all. I don't get the hype. I can get the same quality for a lot less. Why would I want to spend all that money to be seen wearing the same thing as every other aspirational mug? But if I could climb the social ladder for peanuts in comparison... then I'll take it.
Wow.
I'm sorry but I actually find that genuinely quite sad.
(Once again, let me state that I do not, have never, and probably never will own a Rolex)
fasimew said:
Mont Blanc said:
fasimew said:
This is exactly why I'm not spending 5k on a real one. Because I can achieve the same thing for minimal outlay.
I'm not a Rolex person at all. I don't get the hype. I can get the same quality for a lot less. Why would I want to spend all that money to be seen wearing the same thing as every other aspirational mug? But if I could climb the social ladder for peanuts in comparison... then I'll take it.
I wasn’t sure earlier, but now I know you are absolutely just trolling.I'm not a Rolex person at all. I don't get the hype. I can get the same quality for a lot less. Why would I want to spend all that money to be seen wearing the same thing as every other aspirational mug? But if I could climb the social ladder for peanuts in comparison... then I'll take it.
“Climb the social ladder”
The other thing of course, I paid £1680 for it in 1996 and its probably worth c£7-8000 now. The service at 25 years cost c£700 and I also have had the bracelet restored which cost about £800. So aside from being a lovely thing that I enjoy wearing it's also not been a bad investment.
BTW the cool uncle also drove an Escort RS1600i and I also had one of those for while as well
I have 3 fakes which I bought in advance of buying the real thing to see how they looked. Unfortunately it's impossible to try on some Patek and Rolex models, so a replica one is an easy way of trying it out for a bit.
I never wore them outside the house and they live in my study somewhere gathering dust.
And this one - a sort of fake.
I never wore them outside the house and they live in my study somewhere gathering dust.
And this one - a sort of fake.
wong said:
If these superclones are virtually identical with interchangeable parts with the real thing, how much must Rolex spend on advertising and profit?
Yes, I think this is what winds the muggles up most of all.The sickening realisation that the cost to manufacture their Rolex is a small fraction of what it cost them to buy. What a rip off.
Veblen Goods 101
BOR said:
wong said:
If these superclones are virtually identical with interchangeable parts with the real thing, how much must Rolex spend on advertising and profit?
Yes, I think this is what winds the muggles up most of all.The sickening realisation that the cost to manufacture their Rolex is a small fraction of what it cost them to buy. What a rip off.
Veblen Goods 101
BOR said:
wong said:
If these superclones are virtually identical with interchangeable parts with the real thing, how much must Rolex spend on advertising and profit?
Yes, I think this is what winds the muggles up most of all.The sickening realisation that the cost to manufacture their Rolex is a small fraction of what it cost them to buy. What a rip off.
Veblen Goods 101
I own several Rolex, and other brands, and I don't lose any sleep over the fact that my GMT probably cost £1000 to make, and has an RRP of £9300. The dealer margin alone on a Rolex is around 40%. I am well aware of all this.
If someone is happy with the item they are getting, for the price they are paying, then you can't possibly claim that is a rip-off. I mean, someone happily paid $450m for a Leonardo DaVinci painting, which probably cost $100 in time, labour, and materials to paint. Is that a rip off?
As I posted earlier, I don't have an issue with the fakes either if thats what someone wants. I don't particularly concern myself with the watches worn by other people.
Fakes of anything just aren't my thing, and I do think that whilst it's an understandable and very common trait in humanity that goes way deeper than fake Rolexes, I don't think it's a good one - Before people jump on me, I really don't care that much either way, this isn't a passionate rant, it's a post on a forum, but pretending to have something you don't for the purposes of potentially making other people feel a certain way about you doesn't feel to me like the best mindset for anybody.
I can't really afford a Rolex, but i'd certainly never want to pretend that I could, just wouldn't sit right with me in my mind that it wasn't the real deal even if other people thought that it was. (In reality I think that aside from thieves looking to sell your stuff on, most people won't give it a second thought, like with cars, people think everyone is looking at them thinking wow look at that big shot in the Range Rover... most people don't pay any attention whatsoever to what other people are driving around in or have on their wrist, certainly no more than a moments attention before moving on to what's important to them in their own lives).
For me i'd just feel silly, even if it was absolutely identical in every single way, every way, completely identical, materials sourced from exactly the same place, everything... the fact that it had the Rolex logo on it but wasn't made and sold by that company would just feel silly to me, and that's not to diminish the quality of the work going into the replicas, as a hobby trying to replicate these things for your own satisfaction / amusement, I can certainly see the appeal there.
As people have said, buy another lovely watch within your budget, there are loads out there.
I can't really afford a Rolex, but i'd certainly never want to pretend that I could, just wouldn't sit right with me in my mind that it wasn't the real deal even if other people thought that it was. (In reality I think that aside from thieves looking to sell your stuff on, most people won't give it a second thought, like with cars, people think everyone is looking at them thinking wow look at that big shot in the Range Rover... most people don't pay any attention whatsoever to what other people are driving around in or have on their wrist, certainly no more than a moments attention before moving on to what's important to them in their own lives).
For me i'd just feel silly, even if it was absolutely identical in every single way, every way, completely identical, materials sourced from exactly the same place, everything... the fact that it had the Rolex logo on it but wasn't made and sold by that company would just feel silly to me, and that's not to diminish the quality of the work going into the replicas, as a hobby trying to replicate these things for your own satisfaction / amusement, I can certainly see the appeal there.
As people have said, buy another lovely watch within your budget, there are loads out there.
I own a 36mm Datejust along with a Seamaster and Tudor GMT all 3 are genuine, I however at the moment am lusting over a 41mm Datejust Wimbledon. Financially at the moment not in a position to be spending that kind of money on a watch with a young family to look after and a wedding to pay for.
I have been tempted a few times with a superclone but dont think I could bring myself to actually do it.
I have been tempted a few times with a superclone but dont think I could bring myself to actually do it.
Castrol for a knave said:
Pal of mine has some version of a Royal Oak, he also has the exact same version but a superclone.
His view is that the clone is the painting in the attic, and he leaves the real thing for best. He reckons it's ok, because he knows he has the real thing at home.
pretty cringe tbh.His view is that the clone is the painting in the attic, and he leaves the real thing for best. He reckons it's ok, because he knows he has the real thing at home.
These fakes are mostly funding organised crime and child labor. So whilst your mate might sound cool to you and others, it is moronic to fund this very horrible industry, considering how many other brands out there. My other car is a Ferrari, stickers were cringe as well.
mickythefish said:
Castrol for a knave said:
Pal of mine has some version of a Royal Oak, he also has the exact same version but a superclone.
His view is that the clone is the painting in the attic, and he leaves the real thing for best. He reckons it's ok, because he knows he has the real thing at home.
pretty cringe tbh.His view is that the clone is the painting in the attic, and he leaves the real thing for best. He reckons it's ok, because he knows he has the real thing at home.
These fakes are mostly funding organised crime and child labor. So whilst your mate might sound cool to you and others, it is moronic to fund this very horrible industry, considering how many other brands out there. My other car is a Ferrari, stickers were cringe as well.
mickythefish said:
Castrol for a knave said:
Pal of mine has some version of a Royal Oak, he also has the exact same version but a superclone.
His view is that the clone is the painting in the attic, and he leaves the real thing for best. He reckons it's ok, because he knows he has the real thing at home.
pretty cringe tbh.His view is that the clone is the painting in the attic, and he leaves the real thing for best. He reckons it's ok, because he knows he has the real thing at home.
These fakes are mostly funding organised crime and child labor. So whilst your mate might sound cool to you and others, it is moronic to fund this very horrible industry, considering how many other brands out there. My other car is a Ferrari, stickers were cringe as well.
or Bob Dove to rebuild my Nord engine to race spec....
I don't think he connects the crime bit. He said it came from a reputbale supplier he foiund on one of the clone forums.
It's an odd topic this and honestly, i've considered buying a £200 fake Rolex just to see what they're like and wear it every now and then. Would I love a real Rolex - 100% yes - a Deepsea would be my dream watch! Can I afford one - absolutely not.
I owned an Omega Seamaster for around 20 years - bought in 2001 with my first real pay packet for £750 and it never let me down, only needed servicing once and was a pleasure to own and wear every day. Would a £200 fake have lasted that long? Most likely not, and I doubt I would have worn it as much knowing it was a fake.
Now I have a Hamilton Khaki Automatic, bought by my finacee as a present which I wear all the time. It's a lovely watch and didn't cost the earth. I sold the Omega because I just didn't wear it anymore (and got more than what I paid for it all those years ago).
Watches are a personal thing. If you're happy to buy and wear a fake, go for it. I personally don't care what watch anybody else wears, but will always admire a nice one if I see one, without knowing whether it's fake or not.
I owned an Omega Seamaster for around 20 years - bought in 2001 with my first real pay packet for £750 and it never let me down, only needed servicing once and was a pleasure to own and wear every day. Would a £200 fake have lasted that long? Most likely not, and I doubt I would have worn it as much knowing it was a fake.
Now I have a Hamilton Khaki Automatic, bought by my finacee as a present which I wear all the time. It's a lovely watch and didn't cost the earth. I sold the Omega because I just didn't wear it anymore (and got more than what I paid for it all those years ago).
Watches are a personal thing. If you're happy to buy and wear a fake, go for it. I personally don't care what watch anybody else wears, but will always admire a nice one if I see one, without knowing whether it's fake or not.
Actual said:
What are the implications for foreign travel when wearing a genuine watch or a knock-off? For example arriving back in UK through customs are you questioned about where and how you obtained your long owned genuine watch and what happens if you then need to declare it is counterfeit?
My understanding is that it is not illegal to buy or own a counterfeit item in the UK, so likely nothing would happen in that regard.I don't believe I have ever seen a thread/post online about someone getting stopped and grilled about the watch on their wrist, although it has been noted that purchasing an expensive watch abroad and then posting the boxes back while wearing it on the trip home could potentially mean one 'accidentally' misses the import tax/VAT due.
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