Have you bought one of those great looking Rolex/Omega fakes
Discussion
fasimew said:
Mont Blanc said:
There will always be people with more money than you. You will be impressing almost no one with a Rolex. They are absolutely everywhere.
Exactly. Which is why it's not worth owning one. Buy a *good* fake and achieve the same result for 5% of the outlay.
RSTurboPaul said:
That is an entirely different situation to someone just wearing a copy on the wrist.
The vast majority of the replica/copy/homage/fake community in no way endorses the selling of such watches as genuine.
Perhaps ironically, it could be argued that they are the most likely to have detailed knowledge of what differentiates a copy from the original, information that can be used to help others from unknowingly purchasing a copy.
No it isn’t. They are built to deceive people. People do different things with that but all those things are connected. The vast majority of the replica/copy/homage/fake community in no way endorses the selling of such watches as genuine.
Perhaps ironically, it could be argued that they are the most likely to have detailed knowledge of what differentiates a copy from the original, information that can be used to help others from unknowingly purchasing a copy.
Edited by RSTurboPaul on Friday 2nd February 02:55
Interesting conversation. I've always ummed and ahhed about where I stand on reps. Can definitely see both sides of the argument.
If I thought the Mona Lisa was a beautiful painting, I might buy a print. I could then still appreciate the art without the outlay.
If i thought, for example, the GMT Master 2 was the most beautifully designed watch, a homage would satisfy some of that, but it wouldn't be the perfect design that I think the Rolex is. Not having the means to spend 15-20k on the real thing, I would then never get the opportunity to have what i considered a beautiful object. A rep would satisfy that.
But there is a moral can of worms with this thought process of course. And, naturally, one could argue that life's a b
h and not everyone could or should have everything they want.
There may be different lenses too... want a rolex to appreciate the history and engineering? A rep won't do. Want one to show off? Get a rep. Want one to appreciate the design of the object? Maybe a rep helps.
If I thought the Mona Lisa was a beautiful painting, I might buy a print. I could then still appreciate the art without the outlay.
If i thought, for example, the GMT Master 2 was the most beautifully designed watch, a homage would satisfy some of that, but it wouldn't be the perfect design that I think the Rolex is. Not having the means to spend 15-20k on the real thing, I would then never get the opportunity to have what i considered a beautiful object. A rep would satisfy that.
But there is a moral can of worms with this thought process of course. And, naturally, one could argue that life's a b
h and not everyone could or should have everything they want. There may be different lenses too... want a rolex to appreciate the history and engineering? A rep won't do. Want one to show off? Get a rep. Want one to appreciate the design of the object? Maybe a rep helps.
mickythefish said:
pretty cringe tbh.
These fakes are mostly funding organised crime and child labor. So whilst your mate might sound cool to you and others, it is moronic to fund this very horrible industry, considering how many other brands out there. My other car is a Ferrari, stickers were cringe as well.
Of course Rolex aren’t the poster child of gang culture and wealth around the world These fakes are mostly funding organised crime and child labor. So whilst your mate might sound cool to you and others, it is moronic to fund this very horrible industry, considering how many other brands out there. My other car is a Ferrari, stickers were cringe as well.
gregs656 said:
RSTurboPaul said:
That is an entirely different situation to someone just wearing a copy on the wrist.
The vast majority of the replica/copy/homage/fake community in no way endorses the selling of such watches as genuine.
Perhaps ironically, it could be argued that they are the most likely to have detailed knowledge of what differentiates a copy from the original, information that can be used to help others from unknowingly purchasing a copy.
No it isn’t. They are built to deceive people. People do different things with that but all those things are connected. The vast majority of the replica/copy/homage/fake community in no way endorses the selling of such watches as genuine.
Perhaps ironically, it could be argued that they are the most likely to have detailed knowledge of what differentiates a copy from the original, information that can be used to help others from unknowingly purchasing a copy.
Edited by RSTurboPaul on Friday 2nd February 02:55
That person X had Y amount of money to spend on an
How would the casual observer know how much
Or is the argument that only people with certain 'qualities' buy 'brand Z' (qualities that are extremely carefully tailored by marketing departments), therefore to 'cheat' and (apparently) obtain and broadcast those 'qualities' when one hasn't paid the full price of admission to the club is simply not cricket?
How does that work in the earlier example, when someone is maxed out on credit to let them buy shiny things? Are they displaying the correct 'qualities'?
It is all just marketing BS, designed to infer that expensive things bring with them some mysterious aura of special properties only obtainable by the few who can afford them, and the peasants who can't stump up the cash are somehow
When said peasants obtain the means to seemingly acquire said mysterious aura for less than others have paid for it, I imagine those paying the higher price are going to get defensive about those upstart peasants encroaching on their special properties they were told only the wealthy could have.
RSTurboPaul said:
gregs656 said:
RSTurboPaul said:
That is an entirely different situation to someone just wearing a copy on the wrist.
The vast majority of the replica/copy/homage/fake community in no way endorses the selling of such watches as genuine.
Perhaps ironically, it could be argued that they are the most likely to have detailed knowledge of what differentiates a copy from the original, information that can be used to help others from unknowingly purchasing a copy.
No it isn’t. They are built to deceive people. People do different things with that but all those things are connected. The vast majority of the replica/copy/homage/fake community in no way endorses the selling of such watches as genuine.
Perhaps ironically, it could be argued that they are the most likely to have detailed knowledge of what differentiates a copy from the original, information that can be used to help others from unknowingly purchasing a copy.
Edited by RSTurboPaul on Friday 2nd February 02:55
That person X had Y amount of money to spend on an
How would the casual observer know how much
Or is the argument that only people with certain 'qualities' buy 'brand Z' (qualities that are extremely carefully tailored by marketing departments), therefore to 'cheat' and (apparently) obtain and broadcast those 'qualities' when one hasn't paid the full price of admission to the club is simply not cricket?
How does that work in the earlier example, when someone is maxed out on credit to let them buy shiny things? Are they displaying the correct 'qualities'?
It is all just marketing BS, designed to infer that expensive things bring with them some mysterious aura of special properties only obtainable by the few who can afford them, and the peasants who can't stump up the cash are somehow
When said peasants obtain the means to seemingly acquire said mysterious aura for less than others have paid for it, I imagine those paying the higher price are going to get defensive about those upstart peasants encroaching on their special properties they were told only the wealthy could have.
Fakes?
It depends on the attitude of the wearer.
I have a friend who only wears fakes. His watches are middle of range fakes, they'd pass for the real thing untill an expert handled them.
Let's call him "Paul", (because that's his name.)
Paul is very open about them being fakes. He'll volunteer the information as soon as a conversation goes anywhere near the subject. He wears them because he likes the designs, but could not ever afford / justify the real thing.
I think Paul is very different from someone who purchases and wears a fake because they want to fool others into thinking they have the real thing.
I think it's lamentable when someone buys a genuine product because of how they think it will make others view them. If you're going to buy something, get something you like, not something to impress others. But let's face it, the world is not short of narcissists.
To buy and wear fake goods to impress others shows the same shallowness as the genuine goods buyer, with of course an added dollop of deceitfullness. I think I'd wholeheartedly agree that these people are losers.
To be clear, I couldn't give a fig what watch someone wears, or what they think of what ever watch I'm wearing. But I do think why they're wearing what they are tells you something about the type of person they are.
It depends on the attitude of the wearer.
I have a friend who only wears fakes. His watches are middle of range fakes, they'd pass for the real thing untill an expert handled them.
Let's call him "Paul", (because that's his name.)
Paul is very open about them being fakes. He'll volunteer the information as soon as a conversation goes anywhere near the subject. He wears them because he likes the designs, but could not ever afford / justify the real thing.
I think Paul is very different from someone who purchases and wears a fake because they want to fool others into thinking they have the real thing.
I think it's lamentable when someone buys a genuine product because of how they think it will make others view them. If you're going to buy something, get something you like, not something to impress others. But let's face it, the world is not short of narcissists.
To buy and wear fake goods to impress others shows the same shallowness as the genuine goods buyer, with of course an added dollop of deceitfullness. I think I'd wholeheartedly agree that these people are losers.
To be clear, I couldn't give a fig what watch someone wears, or what they think of what ever watch I'm wearing. But I do think why they're wearing what they are tells you something about the type of person they are.
Like I posted on the 'Rules of watch wearing' or whatever it was thread, I've had one person notice a decent watch in about 20 years (and frankly, I found it a bit awkward).
I wear a nice watch for me. I don't wear jewellery (with the exception of a plain wedding ring), but I love how a nice watch makes *me* feel.
Wear what you want. Nobody cares and almost nobody will ever notice.
It's on a par with the keeping up with the Jones' threads. Nobody actually does it and nobody actually cares.
I wear a nice watch for me. I don't wear jewellery (with the exception of a plain wedding ring), but I love how a nice watch makes *me* feel.
Wear what you want. Nobody cares and almost nobody will ever notice.
It's on a par with the keeping up with the Jones' threads. Nobody actually does it and nobody actually cares.
RSTurboPaul said:
What is the deception?
Counterfeit: a fraudulent imitation of something else; a forgery.Fraud: a person or thing intended to deceive others
It couldn't be more cut and dry what the deception is.
I think you (and others) justify this because we are talking about watches - but counterfeits of all kind are the same. The potential harm of counterfeit watches ranges from a simple lie, to people being conned out of their money, to being wrongfully targeted for theft or robbery.
RSTurboPaul said:
It is all just marketing BS, designed to infer that expensive things bring with them some mysterious aura of special properties only obtainable by the few who can afford them, and the peasants who can't stump up the cash are somehow worse people different to the wealthy.
When said peasants obtain the means to seemingly acquire said mysterious aura for less than others have paid for it, I imagine those paying the higher price are going to get defensive about those upstart peasants encroaching on their special properties they were told only the wealthy could have.
This is the insecurity that drives the type of people who seek out the most accurate fakes. When said peasants obtain the means to seemingly acquire said mysterious aura for less than others have paid for it, I imagine those paying the higher price are going to get defensive about those upstart peasants encroaching on their special properties they were told only the wealthy could have.
Why spend £800 on a fake ? Well in my case £460.
I love watches, have done for 30 plus years . I really like the Rolex Sub LV (referred as to the hulk). Couldn’t justify £15,000 to buy one in 2022, so purchased super clone (VSF) I love it. I then gained the means to buy / justify a genuine by selling two other watch’s, so bought one ! I can sell the replica for a loss of circa £100-150. I haven’t, I still wear the replica in rotation as I love the dial sunburst (brighter than genuine) and I don’t worry about scratches and damage that occur day to day etc.
My next replica will be a model Rolex doesn’t offer I would love a Daytona with red dial / black sub dials, it doesn’t exist. I can create a super clone replica with a bespoke dial to match my desire , it will be £600-650 and have superb quality albeit no warranty.
Not justifying, just outlining my motivations to purchase.
I love watches, have done for 30 plus years . I really like the Rolex Sub LV (referred as to the hulk). Couldn’t justify £15,000 to buy one in 2022, so purchased super clone (VSF) I love it. I then gained the means to buy / justify a genuine by selling two other watch’s, so bought one ! I can sell the replica for a loss of circa £100-150. I haven’t, I still wear the replica in rotation as I love the dial sunburst (brighter than genuine) and I don’t worry about scratches and damage that occur day to day etc.
My next replica will be a model Rolex doesn’t offer I would love a Daytona with red dial / black sub dials, it doesn’t exist. I can create a super clone replica with a bespoke dial to match my desire , it will be £600-650 and have superb quality albeit no warranty.
Not justifying, just outlining my motivations to purchase.
SagMan said:
Why spend £800 on a fake ? Well in my case £460.
I love watches, have done for 30 plus years . I really like the Rolex Sub LV (referred as to the hulk). Couldn’t justify £15,000 to buy one in 2022, so purchased super clone (VSF) I love it. I then gained the means to buy / justify a genuine by selling two other watch’s, so bought one ! I can sell the replica for a loss of circa £100-150. I haven’t, I still wear the replica in rotation as I love the dial sunburst (brighter than genuine) and I don’t worry about scratches and damage that occur day to day etc.
My next replica will be a model Rolex doesn’t offer I would love a Daytona with red dial / black sub dials, it doesn’t exist. I can create a super clone replica with a bespoke dial to match my desire , it will be £600-650 and have superb quality albeit no warranty.
Not justifying, just outlining my motivations to purchase.
Thanks for sharing. Never really looked at JSF, are they a solid option? I love watches, have done for 30 plus years . I really like the Rolex Sub LV (referred as to the hulk). Couldn’t justify £15,000 to buy one in 2022, so purchased super clone (VSF) I love it. I then gained the means to buy / justify a genuine by selling two other watch’s, so bought one ! I can sell the replica for a loss of circa £100-150. I haven’t, I still wear the replica in rotation as I love the dial sunburst (brighter than genuine) and I don’t worry about scratches and damage that occur day to day etc.
My next replica will be a model Rolex doesn’t offer I would love a Daytona with red dial / black sub dials, it doesn’t exist. I can create a super clone replica with a bespoke dial to match my desire , it will be £600-650 and have superb quality albeit no warranty.
Not justifying, just outlining my motivations to purchase.
Agree with comments above about the high quality of decent reps. When I looked a few years back, I found a community of very knowledgeable people with a great deal of interest in watches. If you have your heart set on a certain design or model then there’s decent stuff available. If you use trusted sellers from rwi etc then you’re unlikely to get issues.
I had one cheap fake to see if I wanted to purchase the real thing (I didn’t) and a few homages, but there’s so many different designs at all prices that Id think most folk could find something original they liked these days.
I had one cheap fake to see if I wanted to purchase the real thing (I didn’t) and a few homages, but there’s so many different designs at all prices that Id think most folk could find something original they liked these days.
Here was my dilemma.
I have a number of Rolex, the most expensive being my ever rose GMT.
I have been in the fortunate position of being offered watches very regularly from my AD.
Whilst on holiday last year, there was a high end replica boutique that piqued my interest as I have never knowingly handled a fake since a tag on a lads holiday in '93.
Basically every watch I have, they had a copy of, and I was a bit blown away by the quality; i had bought a BLNR maybe 6 months previously with the oyster bracelet and asked for another with a jubilee which was going to take a wee bit longer than normal as I had just been in receipt of the other recently.
I decided to buy the BLNR on the jubilee to do me until I was allocated one from my AD.
When I got the message in late December it had come into stock, I actually declined...I have worn the replica a fair bit more than the other watches I have; it keeps time, looks to my eye identical to my other BLNR but was approx £9000 less.
I think the 2nd post in this thread was the most relevant; it was a response to 'who are you trying to impress with a fake', the response being 'who are you trying to impress with the genuine article?'.
I was probably near the end curve of buying Rolex as I had acquired all of the ones I liked, but this definitely sped the process up.
Go figure.
I feel no different wearing the genuine BLNR to the replica BLNR, and what others think doesn't even come into it for me.
I have a number of Rolex, the most expensive being my ever rose GMT.
I have been in the fortunate position of being offered watches very regularly from my AD.
Whilst on holiday last year, there was a high end replica boutique that piqued my interest as I have never knowingly handled a fake since a tag on a lads holiday in '93.
Basically every watch I have, they had a copy of, and I was a bit blown away by the quality; i had bought a BLNR maybe 6 months previously with the oyster bracelet and asked for another with a jubilee which was going to take a wee bit longer than normal as I had just been in receipt of the other recently.
I decided to buy the BLNR on the jubilee to do me until I was allocated one from my AD.
When I got the message in late December it had come into stock, I actually declined...I have worn the replica a fair bit more than the other watches I have; it keeps time, looks to my eye identical to my other BLNR but was approx £9000 less.
I think the 2nd post in this thread was the most relevant; it was a response to 'who are you trying to impress with a fake', the response being 'who are you trying to impress with the genuine article?'.
I was probably near the end curve of buying Rolex as I had acquired all of the ones I liked, but this definitely sped the process up.
Go figure.
I feel no different wearing the genuine BLNR to the replica BLNR, and what others think doesn't even come into it for me.
Switzerland considers the economic loss from counterfeiting as a quite serious issue.
Counterfeit luxury goods are routinely confiscated at the border. These are returned to the brand whose IP was infringed.
The brand verifies the counterfeit nature of the item, even where it was for personal use. The unfortunate importer or exporter of the counterfeit item pays for the verification, plus a significant penalty, plus, plus, plus. All at eye watering Swiss rates.
It’s not unusual for the end result to cost in the ball park of the cost of having bought a genuine version.
If you’re travelling in Europe, or the US, makes sense to avoid the risk.
Counterfeit luxury goods are routinely confiscated at the border. These are returned to the brand whose IP was infringed.
The brand verifies the counterfeit nature of the item, even where it was for personal use. The unfortunate importer or exporter of the counterfeit item pays for the verification, plus a significant penalty, plus, plus, plus. All at eye watering Swiss rates.
It’s not unusual for the end result to cost in the ball park of the cost of having bought a genuine version.
If you’re travelling in Europe, or the US, makes sense to avoid the risk.
HIAO said:
Switzerland considers the economic loss from counterfeiting as a quite serious issue.
Counterfeit luxury goods are routinely confiscated at the border. These are returned to the brand whose IP was infringed.
The brand verifies the counterfeit nature of the item, even where it was for personal use. The unfortunate importer or exporter of the counterfeit item pays for the verification, plus a significant penalty, plus, plus, plus. All at eye watering Swiss rates.
It’s not unusual for the end result to cost in the ball park of the cost of having bought a genuine version.
If you’re travelling in Europe, or the US, makes sense to avoid the risk.
Why is the last sentence relevant? So travelling in Europe or the US is a risk because??? Do you work for Rolex? Counterfeit luxury goods are routinely confiscated at the border. These are returned to the brand whose IP was infringed.
The brand verifies the counterfeit nature of the item, even where it was for personal use. The unfortunate importer or exporter of the counterfeit item pays for the verification, plus a significant penalty, plus, plus, plus. All at eye watering Swiss rates.
It’s not unusual for the end result to cost in the ball park of the cost of having bought a genuine version.
If you’re travelling in Europe, or the US, makes sense to avoid the risk.
HIAO said:
Switzerland considers the economic loss from counterfeiting as a quite serious issue.
Counterfeit luxury goods are routinely confiscated at the border. These are returned to the brand whose IP was infringed.
The brand verifies the counterfeit nature of the item, even where it was for personal use. The unfortunate importer or exporter of the counterfeit item pays for the verification, plus a significant penalty, plus, plus, plus. All at eye watering Swiss rates.
It’s not unusual for the end result to cost in the ball park of the cost of having bought a genuine version.
If you’re travelling in Europe, or the US, makes sense to avoid the risk.
Are you talking about Import/Export businesses, or individuals travelling through airports or border crossings?Counterfeit luxury goods are routinely confiscated at the border. These are returned to the brand whose IP was infringed.
The brand verifies the counterfeit nature of the item, even where it was for personal use. The unfortunate importer or exporter of the counterfeit item pays for the verification, plus a significant penalty, plus, plus, plus. All at eye watering Swiss rates.
It’s not unusual for the end result to cost in the ball park of the cost of having bought a genuine version.
If you’re travelling in Europe, or the US, makes sense to avoid the risk.
If the latter then it seems quite bonkers for watches to be seized by passport officers who are unlikely to be horological experts.
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