Have you bought one of those great looking Rolex/Omega fakes
Discussion
Just no. I'd be staggered if what arrived was actually what was pictured anyway.
I think there's a time and a place for "fake" stuff. I have a fake Chinese Lego Millennium Falcon (because there's no way I'm paying £800 for the real one) but it's clearly inferior, just doesn't "feel" as nice, is very fragile, and had a few pieces missing when it arrived. I've also got a fake Lego Caterham and a fake Defender, but for toys that sit in my office and gather dust I really don't care, and they don't say "Lego" on them anywhere.
But for a watch, you're buying into the whole provenance/history/quality/future values thing. I've got two Omegas (Dynamic and a Seamaster 300) and one day I will pass them onto my son. I don't give a monkey's about "showing them off", if I wear them they are usually tucked up inside my sleeve, and if I ever venture into London I leave them at home due to the theft risk. I bought the Seamaster as a first proper watch after a good year at work, the other I inherited. They are for me, not anyone else, and ironically I hardly ever wear them due to the fact I bought an Apple Watch Ultra which technically I should hate, but is just too damned useful.
I've got two Panerai homages, but they aren't branded as Panerai, and there is some artistic license in the colours etc. I hardly ever wear them, they are too nice to wear for working on the car etc, but don't feel special enough for a special occasion. But at least they aren't pretending to be something they aren't.
There's parallels to cars. I'm lucky enough to own a Caterham, but there's a lot of snobbishness in Caterham circles about all of the many Caterham copies such as a Robin Hood or Westfield. But they are a fraction of the price, and I say fair play to the Robin Hood owner who is electing to do the whole open wheel open cockpit no driver aids thing in a car they've built and poured their heart and soul into, instead of just buying a souped up Civic. But then if your car is a Westfield/GBS/Tiger/Robin Hood then just badge it as such, don't pretend it's a Caterham or Lotus, just be proud of it and enjoy it for what it is.
I think there's a time and a place for "fake" stuff. I have a fake Chinese Lego Millennium Falcon (because there's no way I'm paying £800 for the real one) but it's clearly inferior, just doesn't "feel" as nice, is very fragile, and had a few pieces missing when it arrived. I've also got a fake Lego Caterham and a fake Defender, but for toys that sit in my office and gather dust I really don't care, and they don't say "Lego" on them anywhere.
But for a watch, you're buying into the whole provenance/history/quality/future values thing. I've got two Omegas (Dynamic and a Seamaster 300) and one day I will pass them onto my son. I don't give a monkey's about "showing them off", if I wear them they are usually tucked up inside my sleeve, and if I ever venture into London I leave them at home due to the theft risk. I bought the Seamaster as a first proper watch after a good year at work, the other I inherited. They are for me, not anyone else, and ironically I hardly ever wear them due to the fact I bought an Apple Watch Ultra which technically I should hate, but is just too damned useful.
I've got two Panerai homages, but they aren't branded as Panerai, and there is some artistic license in the colours etc. I hardly ever wear them, they are too nice to wear for working on the car etc, but don't feel special enough for a special occasion. But at least they aren't pretending to be something they aren't.
There's parallels to cars. I'm lucky enough to own a Caterham, but there's a lot of snobbishness in Caterham circles about all of the many Caterham copies such as a Robin Hood or Westfield. But they are a fraction of the price, and I say fair play to the Robin Hood owner who is electing to do the whole open wheel open cockpit no driver aids thing in a car they've built and poured their heart and soul into, instead of just buying a souped up Civic. But then if your car is a Westfield/GBS/Tiger/Robin Hood then just badge it as such, don't pretend it's a Caterham or Lotus, just be proud of it and enjoy it for what it is.
Tyrell Corp said:
Gixer968CS said:
OK, so what I'm getting is that no one has bought one of these watches but that there are plenty of opinions on why others would and how that reflects upon them. Really helpful. Thanks all!
You're welcome, and what exactly is your personal experiences to contribute here ...?Edited by Gixer968CS on Wednesday 31st January 15:20
Lots of these adverts suddenly pushing these hyper realistic fakes just recently. No idea why as I’ve never searched for these.
Would I buy one off a FB advert? No, can’t trust an organisation that’s peddling a criminal product. You might receive a nice watch, it might cost you a lot of grief with stolen info etc.
Also, wouldn’t want a shock import tax bill of thousands for something that’s a fake…..!!!
What these adverts have done for me is show me that some Rolex watches are truly eye catching.
If someone offered me one in a pub for a couple of hundred, would I buy one? No, I’d be more concerned that it was a stolen real watch and not a fake.
Would I buy one off a FB advert? No, can’t trust an organisation that’s peddling a criminal product. You might receive a nice watch, it might cost you a lot of grief with stolen info etc.
Also, wouldn’t want a shock import tax bill of thousands for something that’s a fake…..!!!
What these adverts have done for me is show me that some Rolex watches are truly eye catching.
If someone offered me one in a pub for a couple of hundred, would I buy one? No, I’d be more concerned that it was a stolen real watch and not a fake.
GT03ROB said:
CrippsCorner said:
Those are great, might get one
https://relaxwatchshop.com/product/vintage-style-r...
Hard-Drive said:
Just no. I'd be staggered if what arrived was actually what was pictured anyway.
Prepare to be amazed then.Any of the good quality fakes from factories such as Clean or Noob are, as already pointed out by other posters, indistinguishable from the real thing, even when held side by side and examined closely. You would have to be a jeweller, with a loupe, and to know what to look for to tell the difference. Even then, some jewellers will tell you that they have to remove the caseback to properly inspect these. Even then you have to know what to look for, as the movement is usually fully cloned as well.
These watches look the same, feel the same, are fully waterproof. Same 904L steel used for case and bracelet as Rolex.. Same type of ceramic for the bezel as Rolex use.
Previously when removing the caseback you would see some minor differences, but now, they are really close.
So close that real parts from Rolex movements can be exchanged into the fake, and vice versa.
From a UK supplier a good fake will be about £450 or so.
Which brings me onto my last point: Some people will probably try to order their fakes off websites and hope that they aren't scammed, and then hope that they arrive in the UK without issue, or without customs seizing them. This is NOT the way to do it. There are plenty of UK dealers with UK stock if you know where to look.
Someone mentioned servicing. This is not a problem either. Lots of competent UK watchmakers are happy to work on the fakes now as they are so good. Rebuilding or serving a movement on a superclone is no different to working on a genuine Rolex or Omega.
Ask anything else as I'm happy to answer. I know a bit about this topic.
Edited by Goldman Sachs on Wednesday 31st January 16:03
Goldman Sachs said:
Hard-Drive said:
Just no. I'd be staggered if what arrived was actually what was pictured anyway.
Prepare to be amazed then.Any of the good quality fakes from factories such as Clean or Noob are, as already pointed out by other posters, indistinguishable from the real thing, even when held side by side and examined closely. You would have to be a jeweller, with a loupe, and to know what to look for to tell the difference. Even then, some jewellers will tell you that they have to remove the caseback to properly inspect these. Even then you have to know what to look for, as the movement is usually fully cloned as well.
These watches look the same, feel the same, are fully waterproof. Same 904L steel used for case and bracelet as Rolex.. Same type of ceramic for the bezel as Rolex use.
Previously when removing the caseback you would see some minor differences, but now, they are really close.
So close that real parts from Rolex movements can be exchanged into the fake, and vice versa.
From a UK supplier a good fake will be about £450 or so.
Which brings me onto my last point: Some people will probably try to order their fakes off websites and hope that they aren't scammed, and then hope that they arrive in the UK without issue, or without customs seizing them. This is NOT the way to do it. There are plenty of UK dealers with UK stock if you know where to look.
Someone mentioned servicing. This is not a problem either. Lots of competent UK watchmakers are happy to work on the fakes now as they are so good. Rebuilding or serving a movement on a superclone is no different to working on a genuine Rolex or Omega.
Ask anything else as I'm happy to answer. I know a bit about this topic.
Edited by Goldman Sachs on Wednesday 31st January 16:03
Gixer968CS said:
So where would one look for a UK supplier?
Join the big forums like RWI (Replica Watch Info forum).There are trusted dealers on there and also there are very comprehensive for sale sections, with many watches for sale in the UK.
There also 'Franken' watches for sale. These are superclone replicas which have had real parts transplanted into them to make them even more close to the real thing. Usually bezel, hands, dial, etc.
Edited by Goldman Sachs on Wednesday 31st January 16:35
SpanishTony said:
People who wear fakes, see through that, or it doesn't matter to them, they are more about signalling to other people. They don't need to drop a lot of money to make themselves feel good.
They won't be feeling so good if the wrong person see's the signals they're putting out & get mugged for it lol! Richard-390a0 said:
They won't be feeling so good if the wrong person see's the signals they're putting out & get mugged for it lol!
I have heard the argument for wearing fakes instead of real, in case you get mugged.I can see both sides of it really. No one wants to get mugged, ever, so wearing a fake is daft as it will still get you mugged and potentially hurt.
But if you insist on wearing a Rolex every day, or something that looks like a Rolex, I'm sure if you were mugged for a £400 fake you wouldn't really care too much. You would just go home and forget about it. But if you were mugged for your real Rolex, it would be a massive pain in the arse. You would have to report to police, get interviewed, get a crime number, and hopefully be able to claim from insurance. That is if you have insurance. If you don't, then you are properly screwed, and you have lost big bucks.
Goldman Sachs said:
Hard-Drive said:
Just no. I'd be staggered if what arrived was actually what was pictured anyway.
Prepare to be amazed then.Any of the good quality fakes from factories such as Clean or Noob are, as already pointed out by other posters, indistinguishable from the real thing, even when held side by side and examined closely. You would have to be a jeweller, with a loupe, and to know what to look for to tell the difference. Even then, some jewellers will tell you that they have to remove the caseback to properly inspect these. Even then you have to know what to look for, as the movement is usually fully cloned as well.
These watches look the same, feel the same, are fully waterproof. Same 904L steel used for case and bracelet as Rolex.. Same type of ceramic for the bezel as Rolex use.
Previously when removing the caseback you would see some minor differences, but now, they are really close.
So close that real parts from Rolex movements can be exchanged into the fake, and vice versa.
From a UK supplier a good fake will be about £450 or so.
Which brings me onto my last point: Some people will probably try to order their fakes off websites and hope that they aren't scammed, and then hope that they arrive in the UK without issue, or without customs seizing them. This is NOT the way to do it. There are plenty of UK dealers with UK stock if you know where to look.
Someone mentioned servicing. This is not a problem either. Lots of competent UK watchmakers are happy to work on the fakes now as they are so good. Rebuilding or serving a movement on a superclone is no different to working on a genuine Rolex or Omega.
Ask anything else as I'm happy to answer. I know a bit about this topic.
Edited by Goldman Sachs on Wednesday 31st January 16:03
I'm a cyclist, and brands like Planet X/Hunt have a very strong following. Everyone knows the stuff is made in the far east but to a decent standard. People stand by the brands, and as a result of clever marketing and competitive pricing, there are legions of loyal customers. Turn up on a club ride on a bargain basement Planet X and people will go "nice ride". Turn up on a fake Pinarello and people will think "WTF" and probably avoid being behind you in case the thing falls apart.
I'd be all for a brand that's doing a quality product at a decent price. That's why I have a Steinhart and a Roue in my collection. There's nods to Rolex and Heuer on each, but they are doing their own thing with their own name. If I could buy a watch of this "hyperfake" Rolex quality for £450, that had it's own little styling touches, a story about the brand inspiration, a theme etc, I'd be tempted. But not something totally and utterly fake.
But I guess the whole fake Rolex thing is driven by today's instant gratification, Insta-inspired, face-filtered, AI-avatared ethos of somehow trying to prove to the world that things are better in your life than they might actually be in reality, and people will snap up these fakes rather than being big enough to say "twenty grand for a watch, sorry but I just do not see the value in that", or "yeah, it's a new niche brand with a Chinese movement but finished in the UK and inspired by US Navy SEAL watches" (or whatever).
Hard-Drive said:
In which case what an incredibly sad state of affairs that the watches are that good, that reasonably priced, but won't stand on their own two feet as a make in their own right.
I'm a cyclist, and brands like Planet X/Hunt have a very strong following. Everyone knows the stuff is made in the far east but to a decent standard. People stand by the brands, and as a result of clever marketing and competitive pricing, there are legions of loyal customers. Turn up on a club ride on a bargain basement Planet X and people will go "nice ride". Turn up on a fake Pinarello and people will think "WTF" and probably avoid being behind you in case the thing falls apart.
I'd be all for a brand that's doing a quality product at a decent price. That's why I have a Steinhart and a Roue in my collection. There's nods to Rolex and Heuer on each, but they are doing their own thing with their own name. If I could buy a watch of this "hyperfake" Rolex quality for £450, that had it's own little styling touches, a story about the brand inspiration, a theme etc, I'd be tempted. But not something totally and utterly fake.
But I guess the whole fake Rolex thing is driven by today's instant gratification, Insta-inspired, face-filtered, AI-avatared ethos of somehow trying to prove to the world that things are better in your life than they might actually be in reality, and people will snap up these fakes rather than being big enough to say "twenty grand for a watch, sorry but I just do not see the value in that", or "yeah, it's a new niche brand with a Chinese movement but finished in the UK and inspired by US Navy SEAL watches" (or whatever).
I have previously owned a Roue CHR and a Steinhart Ocean One. They are great watches. I'm a cyclist, and brands like Planet X/Hunt have a very strong following. Everyone knows the stuff is made in the far east but to a decent standard. People stand by the brands, and as a result of clever marketing and competitive pricing, there are legions of loyal customers. Turn up on a club ride on a bargain basement Planet X and people will go "nice ride". Turn up on a fake Pinarello and people will think "WTF" and probably avoid being behind you in case the thing falls apart.
I'd be all for a brand that's doing a quality product at a decent price. That's why I have a Steinhart and a Roue in my collection. There's nods to Rolex and Heuer on each, but they are doing their own thing with their own name. If I could buy a watch of this "hyperfake" Rolex quality for £450, that had it's own little styling touches, a story about the brand inspiration, a theme etc, I'd be tempted. But not something totally and utterly fake.
But I guess the whole fake Rolex thing is driven by today's instant gratification, Insta-inspired, face-filtered, AI-avatared ethos of somehow trying to prove to the world that things are better in your life than they might actually be in reality, and people will snap up these fakes rather than being big enough to say "twenty grand for a watch, sorry but I just do not see the value in that", or "yeah, it's a new niche brand with a Chinese movement but finished in the UK and inspired by US Navy SEAL watches" (or whatever).
You are right, there are plenty of niche watch brands that are terrific quality for a £200-400. But they just won't sell as well as something with a punchy brand name that shouts 'expensive'.
It is no different to everyone wanting a Land Rover on their driveway, even through there are probably way better cars from other manufacturers. They just want the prestige of that badge.
Look at a brand like San Martin. Amazing quality watches. Superb for the money. When they started to become more popular a few years ago, their watches were their own design, with certain styling cues from other brands, but they just weren't selling enough. Now they have just given up trying to style their own watches, and have basically started cloning Tudor and Rolex models. They are selling more watches because of it.
Pagani Design - They don't design anything. They just copy everything produced by Rolex, Tudor, and Omega, and they sell bucketloads of them.
Humans will be humans, right?
carphotographer said:
I paid £80 for a fake submariner 25 years ago, sadly it died last year. I own a genuine one too and to be honest looking at both watches there's no difference, it's only when you get to feel the difference the way the bezel clicks, and the clunk of the clasp.
No doubt the fakes have probably improved in 25 years.
Yes massively.No doubt the fakes have probably improved in 25 years.
On the high end ones, the weight will be exactly the same, the clasp just as clunky and the bezel will click the same. The glass will have no glare and if you pop the back off, the movement will be engraved and look the same.
Hard-Drive said:
Just no. I'd be staggered if what arrived was actually what was pictured anyway.
I think there's a time and a place for "fake" stuff. I have a fake Chinese Lego Millennium Falcon (because there's no way I'm paying £800 for the real one) but it's clearly inferior, just doesn't "feel" as nice, is very fragile, and had a few pieces missing when it arrived. I've also got a fake Lego Caterham and a fake Defender, but for toys that sit in my office and gather dust I really don't care, and they don't say "Lego" on them anywhere.
But for a watch, you're buying into the whole provenance/history/quality/future values thing. I've got two Omegas (Dynamic and a Seamaster 300) and one day I will pass them onto my son. I don't give a monkey's about "showing them off", if I wear them they are usually tucked up inside my sleeve, and if I ever venture into London I leave them at home due to the theft risk. I bought the Seamaster as a first proper watch after a good year at work, the other I inherited. They are for me, not anyone else, and ironically I hardly ever wear them due to the fact I bought an Apple Watch Ultra which technically I should hate, but is just too damned useful.
I've got two Panerai homages, but they aren't branded as Panerai, and there is some artistic license in the colours etc. I hardly ever wear them, they are too nice to wear for working on the car etc, but don't feel special enough for a special occasion. But at least they aren't pretending to be something they aren't.
There's parallels to cars. I'm lucky enough to own a Caterham, but there's a lot of snobbishness in Caterham circles about all of the many Caterham copies such as a Robin Hood or Westfield. But they are a fraction of the price, and I say fair play to the Robin Hood owner who is electing to do the whole open wheel open cockpit no driver aids thing in a car they've built and poured their heart and soul into, instead of just buying a souped up Civic. But then if your car is a Westfield/GBS/Tiger/Robin Hood then just badge it as such, don't pretend it's a Caterham or Lotus, just be proud of it and enjoy it for what it is.
Prepare to be staggered.I think there's a time and a place for "fake" stuff. I have a fake Chinese Lego Millennium Falcon (because there's no way I'm paying £800 for the real one) but it's clearly inferior, just doesn't "feel" as nice, is very fragile, and had a few pieces missing when it arrived. I've also got a fake Lego Caterham and a fake Defender, but for toys that sit in my office and gather dust I really don't care, and they don't say "Lego" on them anywhere.
But for a watch, you're buying into the whole provenance/history/quality/future values thing. I've got two Omegas (Dynamic and a Seamaster 300) and one day I will pass them onto my son. I don't give a monkey's about "showing them off", if I wear them they are usually tucked up inside my sleeve, and if I ever venture into London I leave them at home due to the theft risk. I bought the Seamaster as a first proper watch after a good year at work, the other I inherited. They are for me, not anyone else, and ironically I hardly ever wear them due to the fact I bought an Apple Watch Ultra which technically I should hate, but is just too damned useful.
I've got two Panerai homages, but they aren't branded as Panerai, and there is some artistic license in the colours etc. I hardly ever wear them, they are too nice to wear for working on the car etc, but don't feel special enough for a special occasion. But at least they aren't pretending to be something they aren't.
There's parallels to cars. I'm lucky enough to own a Caterham, but there's a lot of snobbishness in Caterham circles about all of the many Caterham copies such as a Robin Hood or Westfield. But they are a fraction of the price, and I say fair play to the Robin Hood owner who is electing to do the whole open wheel open cockpit no driver aids thing in a car they've built and poured their heart and soul into, instead of just buying a souped up Civic. But then if your car is a Westfield/GBS/Tiger/Robin Hood then just badge it as such, don't pretend it's a Caterham or Lotus, just be proud of it and enjoy it for what it is.
If you use one of the 'trusted dealers' you'll get several, microscoped quality control pics of the actual watch the send - including pics/lifespan of the lume and waterproof/accuracy testing.
EDIT - Goldman Sachs has posted a similar sentiment with much better information and detail!
Edited by RobbieTheTruth on Wednesday 31st January 17:35
Hard-Drive said:
Goldman Sachs said:
Hard-Drive said:
Just no. I'd be staggered if what arrived was actually what was pictured anyway.
Prepare to be amazed then.Any of the good quality fakes from factories such as Clean or Noob are, as already pointed out by other posters, indistinguishable from the real thing, even when held side by side and examined closely. You would have to be a jeweller, with a loupe, and to know what to look for to tell the difference. Even then, some jewellers will tell you that they have to remove the caseback to properly inspect these. Even then you have to know what to look for, as the movement is usually fully cloned as well.
These watches look the same, feel the same, are fully waterproof. Same 904L steel used for case and bracelet as Rolex.. Same type of ceramic for the bezel as Rolex use.
Previously when removing the caseback you would see some minor differences, but now, they are really close.
So close that real parts from Rolex movements can be exchanged into the fake, and vice versa.
From a UK supplier a good fake will be about £450 or so.
Which brings me onto my last point: Some people will probably try to order their fakes off websites and hope that they aren't scammed, and then hope that they arrive in the UK without issue, or without customs seizing them. This is NOT the way to do it. There are plenty of UK dealers with UK stock if you know where to look.
Someone mentioned servicing. This is not a problem either. Lots of competent UK watchmakers are happy to work on the fakes now as they are so good. Rebuilding or serving a movement on a superclone is no different to working on a genuine Rolex or Omega.
Ask anything else as I'm happy to answer. I know a bit about this topic.
Edited by Goldman Sachs on Wednesday 31st January 16:03
They are manufactured for people who want clones. Not alternate makes or homages.
I get most people don't want fakes - but some very specifically do, hence why these are made.
Edited by RobbieTheTruth on Wednesday 31st January 17:38
Goldman Sachs said:
Hard-Drive said:
In which case what an incredibly sad state of affairs that the watches are that good, that reasonably priced, but won't stand on their own two feet as a make in their own right.
I'm a cyclist, and brands like Planet X/Hunt have a very strong following. Everyone knows the stuff is made in the far east but to a decent standard. People stand by the brands, and as a result of clever marketing and competitive pricing, there are legions of loyal customers. Turn up on a club ride on a bargain basement Planet X and people will go "nice ride". Turn up on a fake Pinarello and people will think "WTF" and probably avoid being behind you in case the thing falls apart.
I'd be all for a brand that's doing a quality product at a decent price. That's why I have a Steinhart and a Roue in my collection. There's nods to Rolex and Heuer on each, but they are doing their own thing with their own name. If I could buy a watch of this "hyperfake" Rolex quality for £450, that had it's own little styling touches, a story about the brand inspiration, a theme etc, I'd be tempted. But not something totally and utterly fake.
But I guess the whole fake Rolex thing is driven by today's instant gratification, Insta-inspired, face-filtered, AI-avatared ethos of somehow trying to prove to the world that things are better in your life than they might actually be in reality, and people will snap up these fakes rather than being big enough to say "twenty grand for a watch, sorry but I just do not see the value in that", or "yeah, it's a new niche brand with a Chinese movement but finished in the UK and inspired by US Navy SEAL watches" (or whatever).
I have previously owned a Roue CHR and a Steinhart Ocean One. They are great watches. I'm a cyclist, and brands like Planet X/Hunt have a very strong following. Everyone knows the stuff is made in the far east but to a decent standard. People stand by the brands, and as a result of clever marketing and competitive pricing, there are legions of loyal customers. Turn up on a club ride on a bargain basement Planet X and people will go "nice ride". Turn up on a fake Pinarello and people will think "WTF" and probably avoid being behind you in case the thing falls apart.
I'd be all for a brand that's doing a quality product at a decent price. That's why I have a Steinhart and a Roue in my collection. There's nods to Rolex and Heuer on each, but they are doing their own thing with their own name. If I could buy a watch of this "hyperfake" Rolex quality for £450, that had it's own little styling touches, a story about the brand inspiration, a theme etc, I'd be tempted. But not something totally and utterly fake.
But I guess the whole fake Rolex thing is driven by today's instant gratification, Insta-inspired, face-filtered, AI-avatared ethos of somehow trying to prove to the world that things are better in your life than they might actually be in reality, and people will snap up these fakes rather than being big enough to say "twenty grand for a watch, sorry but I just do not see the value in that", or "yeah, it's a new niche brand with a Chinese movement but finished in the UK and inspired by US Navy SEAL watches" (or whatever).
You are right, there are plenty of niche watch brands that are terrific quality for a £200-400. But they just won't sell as well as something with a punchy brand name that shouts 'expensive'.
It is no different to everyone wanting a Land Rover on their driveway, even through there are probably way better cars from other manufacturers. They just want the prestige of that badge.
Look at a brand like San Martin. Amazing quality watches. Superb for the money. When they started to become more popular a few years ago, their watches were their own design, with certain styling cues from other brands, but they just weren't selling enough. Now they have just given up trying to style their own watches, and have basically started cloning Tudor and Rolex models. They are selling more watches because of it.
Pagani Design - They don't design anything. They just copy everything produced by Rolex, Tudor, and Omega, and they sell bucketloads of them.
Humans will be humans, right?
"SAN MARTIN is a young brand. Founded in 2016 by a veteran, Mr.Liao JiaMing. From the identity of the original watch enthusiasts to the road of watchmakers. The original concept of making watches is to make our own style of watches with reference to foreign niche brands, and the niche style pays more attention to quality. "
Well done Mr. Liao. Your brand, your name on it. Pretty much exactly what I said in a previous post. Nice looking watches, look like great value too. Can I see a Rolex logo on it anywhere? No, and that's good news.
I'd happily wear a San Martin. But not a FAKE. What's the point? To try and pass off a Rolex as real in front of people? Or to accidentally remind yourself every time you look at it that things haven't worked out as you'd hoped, and therefore you need to pretend to yourself that they have?
Whilst you're at it, and picking up on your point about Land Rover, why stop at the fake Rolex? Get yourself a Land Wind X7, some fake Range Rover Evoque badges from eBay, and job's a good'un. Like your fake Rolex, 95% of people won't have a clue...and will no doubt be very impressed at your life.
Hard-Drive said:
From the San Martin website...
"SAN MARTIN is a young brand. Founded in 2016 by a veteran, Mr.Liao JiaMing. From the identity of the original watch enthusiasts to the road of watchmakers. The original concept of making watches is to make our own style of watches with reference to foreign niche brands, and the niche style pays more attention to quality. "
Well done Mr. Liao. Your brand, your name on it. Pretty much exactly what I said in a previous post. Nice looking watches, look like great value too. Can I see a Rolex logo on it anywhere? No, and that's good news.
I'd happily wear a San Martin. But not a FAKE. What's the point? To try and pass off a Rolex as real in front of people? Or to accidentally remind yourself every time you look at it that things haven't worked out as you'd hoped, and therefore you need to pretend to yourself that they have?
Whilst you're at it, and picking up on your point about Land Rover, why stop at the fake Rolex? Get yourself a Land Wind X7, some fake Range Rover Evoque badges from eBay, and job's a good'un. Like your fake Rolex, 95% of people won't have a clue...and will no doubt be very impressed at your life.
You seem slightly worked up. I would suggest not getting too concerned over what sort of watch someone wears."SAN MARTIN is a young brand. Founded in 2016 by a veteran, Mr.Liao JiaMing. From the identity of the original watch enthusiasts to the road of watchmakers. The original concept of making watches is to make our own style of watches with reference to foreign niche brands, and the niche style pays more attention to quality. "
Well done Mr. Liao. Your brand, your name on it. Pretty much exactly what I said in a previous post. Nice looking watches, look like great value too. Can I see a Rolex logo on it anywhere? No, and that's good news.
I'd happily wear a San Martin. But not a FAKE. What's the point? To try and pass off a Rolex as real in front of people? Or to accidentally remind yourself every time you look at it that things haven't worked out as you'd hoped, and therefore you need to pretend to yourself that they have?
Whilst you're at it, and picking up on your point about Land Rover, why stop at the fake Rolex? Get yourself a Land Wind X7, some fake Range Rover Evoque badges from eBay, and job's a good'un. Like your fake Rolex, 95% of people won't have a clue...and will no doubt be very impressed at your life.
As I said, San Martin, great brand, but weren't selling enough, so they now have models such as a photocopied Rolex GMT in their range. People just have to have something that looks like something more expensive.
As for the Land Rover, you know as well as I do, that if someone made a superclone of a Range Rover Sport that looked and functioned identical to the real one, was branded as a real Land Rover, yet charged £5k for it instead of £80k, they would sell like there was no tomorrow.
Go and have a read on forums such as Replica Watch Info. You will find watchmakers and watch enthusiasts on there like you wouldn't believe. Many of them own real versions as well as the replicas, and many of them build the most exact copies you can imagine, just for fun, just for a hobby.
I'm not condoning the manufacture and selling of replica watches by the way, I'm just suggesting that no one should take it too seriously. It is just a watch. I meet people in my work all the time (finance/banking) who are wearing a Rolex or something else nice. I don't sit there wondering if it's fake, I just think "that looks nice".
Goldman Sachs said:
I have previously owned a Roue CHR and a Steinhart Ocean One. They are great watches.
You are right, there are plenty of niche watch brands that are terrific quality for a £200-400. But they just won't sell as well as something with a punchy brand name that shouts 'expensive'.
It is no different to everyone wanting a Land Rover on their driveway, even through there are probably way better cars from other manufacturers. They just want the prestige of that badge.
Look at a brand like San Martin. Amazing quality watches. Superb for the money. When they started to become more popular a few years ago, their watches were their own design, with certain styling cues from other brands, but they just weren't selling enough. Now they have just given up trying to style their own watches, and have basically started cloning Tudor and Rolex models. They are selling more watches because of it.
Pagani Design - They don't design anything. They just copy everything produced by Rolex, Tudor, and Omega, and they sell bucketloads of them.
Humans will be humans, right?
I have to agree that Pagani are the Kings of homage but one of their latest releases is a mishmash of many but ended up looking stunning. I am gutted it wears just too small for me at 39mm. It looks huge in the pic but its not big in reality.You are right, there are plenty of niche watch brands that are terrific quality for a £200-400. But they just won't sell as well as something with a punchy brand name that shouts 'expensive'.
It is no different to everyone wanting a Land Rover on their driveway, even through there are probably way better cars from other manufacturers. They just want the prestige of that badge.
Look at a brand like San Martin. Amazing quality watches. Superb for the money. When they started to become more popular a few years ago, their watches were their own design, with certain styling cues from other brands, but they just weren't selling enough. Now they have just given up trying to style their own watches, and have basically started cloning Tudor and Rolex models. They are selling more watches because of it.
Pagani Design - They don't design anything. They just copy everything produced by Rolex, Tudor, and Omega, and they sell bucketloads of them.
Humans will be humans, right?
Edited by Ninjin on Wednesday 31st January 23:22
I bought a new Sub in 2022. A pal bought an expensive non date Sub online, think he paid £300. My sub is a date model. That’s the only way I could tell the difference other than a slight difference in the way the bezel moved.
I’m amazed at how good it was. Apparently keeps good time as well.
I’m amazed at how good it was. Apparently keeps good time as well.
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