Have you bought one of those great looking Rolex/Omega fakes
Discussion
If people want to wear something which looks like a Rolex without paying the frankly insane prices- in comparison to manufacturers such as Omega and Grand Seiko who at least have the finishing & engineering chops to justify them- and without playing the ridiculous AD game then fair play to them.
A few years ago before I got into watches and with no knowledge of the market, I tried to buy my dad a Rolex for his 50th and the treatment I received put me off the brand completely.
A few years ago before I got into watches and with no knowledge of the market, I tried to buy my dad a Rolex for his 50th and the treatment I received put me off the brand completely.
fasimew said:
Is it possible to get a decent quality rep with a quartz movement? I have no interest in mechanical movements. I just want to look flash.
I think you’d be best looking at something like an Addiesdive quartz diver from AliExpress. They’re well built. Alternatively if you want something that looks decent but has genuine proven water resistance then the Casio MDV106 ‘Marlin’ is good enough for Bill Gates at around £60.
Barchettaman said:
fasimew said:
Is it possible to get a decent quality rep with a quartz movement? I have no interest in mechanical movements. I just want to look flash.
I think you’d be best looking at something like an Addiesdive quartz diver from AliExpress. They’re well built. Alternatively if you want something that looks decent but has genuine proven water resistance then the Casio MDV106 ‘Marlin’ is good enough for Bill Gates at around £60.
Goldman Sachs said:
You seem slightly worked up. I would suggest not getting too concerned over what sort of watch someone wears.
As I said, San Martin, great brand, but weren't selling enough, so they now have models such as a photocopied Rolex GMT in their range. People just have to have something that looks like something more expensive.
As for the Land Rover, you know as well as I do, that if someone made a superclone of a Range Rover Sport that looked and functioned identical to the real one, was branded as a real Land Rover, yet charged £5k for it instead of £80k, they would sell like there was no tomorrow.
Go and have a read on forums such as Replica Watch Info. You will find watchmakers and watch enthusiasts on there like you wouldn't believe. Many of them own real versions as well as the replicas, and many of them build the most exact copies you can imagine, just for fun, just for a hobby.
I'm not condoning the manufacture and selling of replica watches by the way, I'm just suggesting that no one should take it too seriously. It is just a watch. I meet people in my work all the time (finance/banking) who are wearing a Rolex or something else nice. I don't sit there wondering if it's fake, I just think "that looks nice".
We'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not worked up (or wound up haha!), perhaps it's just me but I don't "get it". Either have the real thing, or don't. I just don't understand why you'd have something that pretends to be something else. No I don't have a Rolex, and probably never will as I don't see the point/value, but I don't see the need to pretend I do have one.As I said, San Martin, great brand, but weren't selling enough, so they now have models such as a photocopied Rolex GMT in their range. People just have to have something that looks like something more expensive.
As for the Land Rover, you know as well as I do, that if someone made a superclone of a Range Rover Sport that looked and functioned identical to the real one, was branded as a real Land Rover, yet charged £5k for it instead of £80k, they would sell like there was no tomorrow.
Go and have a read on forums such as Replica Watch Info. You will find watchmakers and watch enthusiasts on there like you wouldn't believe. Many of them own real versions as well as the replicas, and many of them build the most exact copies you can imagine, just for fun, just for a hobby.
I'm not condoning the manufacture and selling of replica watches by the way, I'm just suggesting that no one should take it too seriously. It is just a watch. I meet people in my work all the time (finance/banking) who are wearing a Rolex or something else nice. I don't sit there wondering if it's fake, I just think "that looks nice".
Hats off to the people who can build their own watches, if I had the skills to do that I'd be incredibly proud of my work and stick my own name or brand on it, not someone else's!
Mont Blanc said:
Barchettaman said:
fasimew said:
Is it possible to get a decent quality rep with a quartz movement? I have no interest in mechanical movements. I just want to look flash.
I think you’d be best looking at something like an Addiesdive quartz diver from AliExpress. They’re well built. Alternatively if you want something that looks decent but has genuine proven water resistance then the Casio MDV106 ‘Marlin’ is good enough for Bill Gates at around £60.
fasimew said:
Genuine question. I want a replica Rolex with a quartz movement, that looks good enough to fool anyone handling it. Not concerned about water resistance. It has to say Rolex on it. Model isn't important.
https://www.replicaimitation.com/product-category/rolex-oysterquartz/fasimew said:
Mont Blanc said:
Barchettaman said:
fasimew said:
Is it possible to get a decent quality rep with a quartz movement? I have no interest in mechanical movements. I just want to look flash.
I think you’d be best looking at something like an Addiesdive quartz diver from AliExpress. They’re well built. Alternatively if you want something that looks decent but has genuine proven water resistance then the Casio MDV106 ‘Marlin’ is good enough for Bill Gates at around £60.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/375159639284?hash=item5...
But failing that, I see a couple of issues:
Why would you want quartz? If you get an automatic then you don't have to worry about a flat battery.
There are very few quartz movements that sweep at 28,000vpn, so yeah, you won't easily find one, unless you want to pay fairly big money. (Seiko Spring Drive etc)
A quartz replica of a Rolex wouldn't have the weight of the real thing, and as above, won't have the running second hand sweep of the real thing.
So I guess the answer to your question is no, unless you specifically want an Oysterquartz or, as linked above, a replica of an Oysterquartz. But that is a very niche watch, and probably too small for most people's wrists.
I can report feedback of buying a high end replica.
Purchased a Rolex Sub LV from trusted China dealer (VSF factory build) and absolutely love the watch. Couldn't justify buying genuine at the time.
Led me to purchase genuine from UK grey dealer (used as discontinued in 2020) and still wear them both in rotation.
if wanted to sell, I would expect to lose £2-3k on the genuine currently and around £150 on the replica, there are forums to sell them..
Can I tell the difference, of course I can, but no one else has yet to notice between the two ! I enjoy them both, I really do .
Purchased a Rolex Sub LV from trusted China dealer (VSF factory build) and absolutely love the watch. Couldn't justify buying genuine at the time.
Led me to purchase genuine from UK grey dealer (used as discontinued in 2020) and still wear them both in rotation.
if wanted to sell, I would expect to lose £2-3k on the genuine currently and around £150 on the replica, there are forums to sell them..
Can I tell the difference, of course I can, but no one else has yet to notice between the two ! I enjoy them both, I really do .
I think most people whether they have an interest in watches or not would associate Rolex as a high-end brand, and therefore if you turn up one day wearing a fake one will assume it's real and therefore comment on it.
The wearer then has two options, proudly, explain it's fake or lie and pretend it's a real one. Neither are great options.
The wearer then has two options, proudly, explain it's fake or lie and pretend it's a real one. Neither are great options.
I bought a fake Bell & Ross once, from a market in Bangkok, to see how well it wore and because my holiday HMT (bought from a market in Goa) filled up with water during a storm.
I mean it is indistinguishable from the real thing, that I bought after satisfying myself it was comfortable, with the fake. The only difference is the quality of the dial, on the fake there is no crispness. Oh and the date is not that well aligned and not the same colour. Oh and the case itself is very poor, feels like it was made at home. Oh and the strap feels like its sticky. Oh and the lume does not work. Oh the time keeping is rather poor.
Even if all the bits on the fake were as good as the real thing it would still completely miss the point it would NEVER be the real thing, it would NEVER have any value beyond deception.
Other than that its great. :P
Fakes dont bother me as much as some, I just find them a bit weird, same goes for any fake goods it completely misses the point of the real thing and does kind of mark the owner out as a bit of a chump.
I mean it is indistinguishable from the real thing, that I bought after satisfying myself it was comfortable, with the fake. The only difference is the quality of the dial, on the fake there is no crispness. Oh and the date is not that well aligned and not the same colour. Oh and the case itself is very poor, feels like it was made at home. Oh and the strap feels like its sticky. Oh and the lume does not work. Oh the time keeping is rather poor.
Even if all the bits on the fake were as good as the real thing it would still completely miss the point it would NEVER be the real thing, it would NEVER have any value beyond deception.
Other than that its great. :P
Fakes dont bother me as much as some, I just find them a bit weird, same goes for any fake goods it completely misses the point of the real thing and does kind of mark the owner out as a bit of a chump.
nikaiyo2 said:
I bought a fake Bell & Ross once, from a market in Bangkok, to see how well it wore and because my holiday HMT (bought from a market in Goa) filled up with water during a storm.
I mean it is indistinguishable from the real thing, that I bought after satisfying myself it was comfortable, with the fake. The only difference is the quality of the dial, on the fake there is no crispness. Oh and the date is not that well aligned and not the same colour. Oh and the case itself is very poor, feels like it was made at home. Oh and the strap feels like its sticky. Oh and the lume does not work. Oh the time keeping is rather poor.
Even if all the bits on the fake were as good as the real thing it would still completely miss the point it would NEVER be the real thing, it would NEVER have any value beyond deception.
Other than that its great. :P
Fakes dont bother me as much as some, I just find them a bit weird, same goes for any fake goods it completely misses the point of the real thing and does kind of mark the owner out as a bit of a chump.
There are 3 different grades of fakes.I mean it is indistinguishable from the real thing, that I bought after satisfying myself it was comfortable, with the fake. The only difference is the quality of the dial, on the fake there is no crispness. Oh and the date is not that well aligned and not the same colour. Oh and the case itself is very poor, feels like it was made at home. Oh and the strap feels like its sticky. Oh and the lume does not work. Oh the time keeping is rather poor.
Even if all the bits on the fake were as good as the real thing it would still completely miss the point it would NEVER be the real thing, it would NEVER have any value beyond deception.
Other than that its great. :P
Fakes dont bother me as much as some, I just find them a bit weird, same goes for any fake goods it completely misses the point of the real thing and does kind of mark the owner out as a bit of a chump.
1 - Your 'Bangkok market' or 'Looky Looky man on Benidorm beach' fake - These are rubbish, as you found out, and usually cost about £30. They will have glaring differences between real and fake. The quality will be awful. They will break and fail, usually in a short space of time, and they will not be waterproof, even in the rain.
2 - The 'AAA' grade or 'Triple A' grade as they called - These cost around £80-100 and will be somewhat convincing as real to the untrained eye. They may not be very reliable or accurate, probably losing or gaining a 5 or 10 mins a week. The movement inside will be very cheap. They will not have sapphire glass, just cheap glass. On examination next to a real watch, small differences will be obvious. They will probably run without issue for 2-3 years or more. Good for tinkering with and learning how to adjust timekeeping on a movement.
3 - Superclone - These usually cost between £300 and £800. The really good ones start from about £400. As discussed in the thread, they are virtually identical to the real thing, even internally. Someone with good knowledge will have to check for the differences. Using a loupe for examination may be necessary. They will be waterproof to a decent depth. Parts can be interchanged between these and a real watch, as they are an exact 1:1 copy.
Goldman Sachs said:
Richard-390a0 said:
They won't be feeling so good if the wrong person see's the signals they're putting out & get mugged for it lol!
I have heard the argument for wearing fakes instead of real, in case you get mugged.I can see both sides of it really. No one wants to get mugged, ever, so wearing a fake is daft as it will still get you mugged and potentially hurt.
But if you insist on wearing a Rolex every day, or something that looks like a Rolex, I'm sure if you were mugged for a £400 fake you wouldn't really care too much. You would just go home and forget about it. But if you were mugged for your real Rolex, it would be a massive pain in the arse. You would have to report to police, get interviewed, get a crime number, and hopefully be able to claim from insurance. That is if you have insurance. If you don't, then you are properly screwed, and you have lost big bucks.
Goldman Sachs said:
There are 3 different grades of fakes.
1 - Your 'Bangkok market' or 'Looky Looky man on Benidorm beach' fake - These are rubbish, as you found out, and usually cost about £30. They will have glaring differences between real and fake. The quality will be awful. They will break and fail, usually in a short space of time, and they will not be waterproof, even in the rain.
2 - The 'AAA' grade or 'Triple A' grade as they called - These cost around £80-100 and will be somewhat convincing as real to the untrained eye. They may not be very reliable or accurate, probably losing or gaining a 5 or 10 mins a week. The movement inside will be very cheap. They will not have sapphire glass, just cheap glass. On examination next to a real watch, small differences will be obvious. They will probably run without issue for 2-3 years or more. Good for tinkering with and learning how to adjust timekeeping on a movement.
3 - Superclone - These usually cost between £300 and £800. The really good ones start from about £400. As discussed in the thread, they are virtually identical to the real thing, even internally. Someone with good knowledge will have to check for the differences. Using a loupe for examination may be necessary. They will be waterproof to a decent depth. Parts can be interchanged between these and a real watch, as they are an exact 1:1 copy.
But why spend £800 on a fake Rolex unless it's to pretend it's something it's not? 1 - Your 'Bangkok market' or 'Looky Looky man on Benidorm beach' fake - These are rubbish, as you found out, and usually cost about £30. They will have glaring differences between real and fake. The quality will be awful. They will break and fail, usually in a short space of time, and they will not be waterproof, even in the rain.
2 - The 'AAA' grade or 'Triple A' grade as they called - These cost around £80-100 and will be somewhat convincing as real to the untrained eye. They may not be very reliable or accurate, probably losing or gaining a 5 or 10 mins a week. The movement inside will be very cheap. They will not have sapphire glass, just cheap glass. On examination next to a real watch, small differences will be obvious. They will probably run without issue for 2-3 years or more. Good for tinkering with and learning how to adjust timekeeping on a movement.
3 - Superclone - These usually cost between £300 and £800. The really good ones start from about £400. As discussed in the thread, they are virtually identical to the real thing, even internally. Someone with good knowledge will have to check for the differences. Using a loupe for examination may be necessary. They will be waterproof to a decent depth. Parts can be interchanged between these and a real watch, as they are an exact 1:1 copy.
Hard-Drive said:
But why spend £800 on a fake Rolex unless it's to pretend it's something it's not?
You will have to ask the people who own them.While you are at it, you can also interview all the people who own replica AC Cobras, Ford GT40's, Lancia Stratos... and all the millionaires who have built exact recreations of their 250GTO's and other rare cars, so they can race them at Goodwood and avoid damaging their real car which is safely at home. Ask them why they own fake cars.
Edited by Goldman Sachs on Thursday 1st February 15:44
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