Mustang down at Legends, Pilot o.k

Mustang down at Legends, Pilot o.k

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anonymous-user

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55 months

Sunday 10th July 2011
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williamp

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274 months

Sunday 10th July 2011
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Glad all are OK. With this, the B-17, and one at Old Warden this has ot been a good year for vintage aircraft.

Eric Mc

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266 months

Sunday 10th July 2011
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Bummer.

Glad to hear both pilots OK. Sounds like Big Beautiful Doll is no more.

The real Apache

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285 months

Sunday 10th July 2011
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Oh God, I saw them circling over the house earlier on, thank god everyones ok

anonymous-user

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55 months

Sunday 10th July 2011
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Been a cr@p year for warbirds/old planes, don't forget in addition to the above, Kennet's Seafire that made a wheels up landing in France last weekend.


The real Apache

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Sunday 10th July 2011
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williamp said:
Glad all are OK. With this, the B-17, and one at Old Warden this has ot been a good year for vintage aircraft.
what happened to the b17?

Zaxxon

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161 months

Sunday 10th July 2011
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Crikey, so sad to hear of BBD.
That and the B-17, terrible loss to warbird aviation

Eric Mc

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266 months

Sunday 10th July 2011
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The real Apache said:
williamp said:
Glad all are OK. With this, the B-17, and one at Old Warden this has ot been a good year for vintage aircraft.
what happened to the b17?
Not Sally B - but US based Liberty Bell, which burned out after an emergency landing.

Simpo Two

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266 months

Sunday 10th July 2011
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Mid-air collision - how bloody careless. Surprised there was enough height for a baleout.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 10th July 2011
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It seems it was away from the airfield - so probably even more inexcusable. That would explain why they were higher than the normal display height.

Zaxxon

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161 months

Sunday 10th July 2011
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We dont know what happened yet so i's a bit early to become armchair wing commanders and pass judgment!

anonymous-user

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55 months

Sunday 10th July 2011
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Never been to Legends, but been to a few Duxford shows. It does worry me a bit when you see a load of privately owned warbirds in one off formations, tailchases etc. All it needs is for one plane to be in the wrong piece of sky, or to maneuver in the wrong direction and things can go wrong. Sadly that is what has happened here. Luckily there were no injuries.

Simpo Two

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Sunday 10th July 2011
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anonymous said:
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Every time a warbird pilot takes off (or any intelligent pilot for that matter) I'm sure they know the risks. If we didn't take risks we'd all stay in bed.

anonymous-user

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Sunday 10th July 2011
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Some more details here:

http://www.fightercontrol.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.ph...

It is also mentioned that another Skyraider came rather close to a Spitfire that was on finals. There was also a landing incident with a Fokker DR1 replica.

Not a good day frown

Eric Mc

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Sunday 10th July 2011
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Zaxxon said:
We dont know what happened yet so i's a bit early to become armchair wing commanders and pass judgment!
We know SOME of what happened.

The Skyraider and the Mustang collided at some distance from the airfield. They were pulling up and breaking following their display. The collision occured during the break manoeuver.

So, it is not just idle speculation. It is based on the facts published so far.

No doubt, the reason why the break manoeuver resulted in a collision will remain a mystery until both pilots are interviewed fully and witnesses come forward.

Zaxxon

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161 months

Sunday 10th July 2011
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Eric Mc said:
We know SOME of what happened.

The Skyraider and the Mustang collided at some distance from the airfield. They were pulling up and breaking following their display. The collision occured during the break manoeuver.

So, it is not just idle speculation. It is based on the facts published so far.

No doubt, the reason why the break manoeuver resulted in a collision will remain a mystery until both pilots are interviewed fully and witnesses come forward.
No it's not based on any facts Eric. What caused one aircraft to veer into anothers flight path?

Could have been turbulence, birds, mechanical failure and many other possibilities.

It may well have been a pilot or pilots at fault but untill the BOI it's not right to lay blame.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 10th July 2011
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Was I blaming anyone?

I have seen a mid-air collision happen right in front of me before. It was caused by one of the pilots being unsighted but abandoning the manouever part way through it even though he didn't know where the other aircraft was.

There were reasons why he bacame unsighted - but it was still his fault for causing the collision.

Something obviously did not go right today and I am pretty sure one of the pilots will be more at fault than the other. What I will not speculate on is which one. So I am not apportioning blame to any individual.

DamienB

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220 months

Sunday 10th July 2011
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Horrible thing to see, but soooo good to see a clean parachute blossom in the distance, and then the Skyraider land safely. A memorable day out.

dr_gn

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185 months

Sunday 10th July 2011
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Yesterday I noticed a DR1 replica landing left to right, as - IIRC - a Skyraider made a low level pass in the opposite direction. One of a few times I held my breath yesterday. I assumed everything was in hand though...

Zaxxon

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161 months

Sunday 10th July 2011
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Sorry Eric, I responded to your post following Simpo Two.

Your post was not Really mentoning blame. But following the recent Chinook case I just feel that blame should be held until the real facts are known.


Am I alone in thinking that 'yes it is great that the pilots are safe, but it is still tragic that such a wonderfull machine has been lost'?

No I dont believe that they should be safe in museums, I want to hear and see the thunder of these old birds. A warbird or any aeroplane should be viewed in it's natural element.