Mustang down at Legends, Pilot o.k

Mustang down at Legends, Pilot o.k

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The real Apache

39,731 posts

285 months

Sunday 10th July 2011
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Eric Mc said:
The real Apache said:
williamp said:
Glad all are OK. With this, the B-17, and one at Old Warden this has ot been a good year for vintage aircraft.
what happened to the b17?
Not Sally B - but US based Liberty Bell, which burned out after an emergency landing.
ah yes, another beautiful machine......it really pains me when this happens.

Eric Mc

122,050 posts

266 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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Apart from no loss of life, the good news is that, despite these airframe losses, the number of flying warbirds (especially of the WW2 era) is steadilly growing and these losses are of less impact on the warbird community than they would have had 10 to 20 years ago.

Indeed, with a very active mini-industry of warbird restoration, many of these "losses" turn out to be not losses at all.

Seight_Returns

1,640 posts

202 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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Eric's comments about the net increase in the active warbird population notwithstanding, it's always sad to hear of the loss of a historic aircraft much as it's sad when someone totals a D-Type. Glad no-one hurt though of course.

Note from the BBC that the pilot jumped and parachuted to safety. I imagine that the odds of successfully escaping from a pre-ejection seat era high performance aircraft after a mid-air collision at lowish level are stacked quite heavily against the pilot.

Edited by Seight_Returns on Monday 11th July 10:51

Simpo Two

85,500 posts

266 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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Seight_Returns said:
Note from the BBC that the pilot jumped and parachuted to safety. I imagine that the odds of successfully escaping from a pre-ejection seat era high performance aircraft are stacked quite heavily against the pilot.
They managed it often enough in WW2; I expect the prospect of otherwise certain death focuses the mind somewhat.

Has anyone here saved their lives by bailing out/ejecting?

ujio

313 posts

171 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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That was was a very low level exit. Very very lucky pilot

I saw the nose over of the Fokker, and thought that was as bad as it could get.

Thankfully no one was killed.
Despite this it was a thoroughly enjoyable day and I am hoping to go to Fairford next week.

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

263 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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Run in and break video in this bbc report.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshir...

Eric Mc

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266 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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Actually, the Mustang looks a lot more complete than I would have expected. I'm sure it'll be flying again at some time in the future.

tank slapper

7,949 posts

284 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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Here is a video from a slightly different angle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qME7VefLxFw

It looks like the P-51 pulled up and banked away, with the Skyraider banking and climbing after him. The Skyraider pulls a tighter turn and clips the tail of the P-51.

Waynester

6,345 posts

251 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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st! yikes

I live in Arlesey, not a million miles from Duxford etc...

Yesterday me & the girlfriend took a walk to see the horses near to my house... then I heard, unmistakeable sound of Merlin engines!

Then I saw them about 5-6 miles away & immediately recognised the Spit & Stang silhouette.

I stood & watched in the pissing rain, but was worth it! smile

Not the best weather for displaying, as I said, pouring with rain & low cloud base.

They both formed up & got the hell out & away from that weather..

Great to see...but what a shame this accident happened & we lost BBD, if indeed it was her?

Relief both pilots escaped!

Flintstone

8,644 posts

248 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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I saw both the nose over and the mid-air, bloody sad. First air show I've attended since I stopped flying the Rapides at Duxford about five years ago, maybe I'm a jinx.

DamienB

1,189 posts

220 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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Waynester said:
Not the best weather for displaying, as I said, pouring with rain & low cloud base.
Fine and dry at Duxford.

ujio

313 posts

171 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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Flintstone said:
I saw both the nose over and the mid-air, bloody sad. First air show I've attended since I stopped flying the Rapides at Duxford about five years ago, maybe I'm a jinx.
I said exactly the same thing.

In fact it was my first time ever. Before going, I said each time I think about airshows, aircrashes come to mind! Not sure if I should go to Fairford next week now in case...

I'm just glad there were no fatalities, although it was exceptionally lucky that this was the case.

Simpo Two

85,500 posts

266 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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Watched the BBC clip several times - it seems like only a small piece of tailplane/wingtip that came away. Would that have rendered the plane unflyable or didn't the pilot stay around to find out? (ie baling out being a better risk than trying to regain control)

Eric Mc

122,050 posts

266 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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Was the Mustang damaged elsewhere (before the impact with the ground, of course)?

nellyleelephant

2,705 posts

235 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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Eric Mc said:
Was the Mustang damaged elsewhere (before the impact with the ground, of course)?
Hard to tell from the video on the BBC, certainly looks like the wing tip coming off of the Skyraider, can't really see specific damage to the Mustang.

dr_gn

16,168 posts

185 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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Eric Mc said:
Was the Mustang damaged elsewhere (before the impact with the ground, of course)?
I think it was struck by the Skyraider wing just aft of the radiator intake. There was enough force to take part of the wing off the Skyraider, so presumably the Mustang had a fair bit of damage. I guess at that altitude you don't hang around too long to see if the aircraft might be flyable. I think he got out about 10 seconds after initial collision.

ETA looking again it looks like the tailplane of the Mustang took the Skyraider wingtip off.


Edited by dr_gn on Monday 11th July 16:27

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

263 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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Always a difficult proposition flying different types [and even Marks] together in a formation, stick in a performance break like that and ...............

Thankfully the only thing hurt seems to be pride.


Waynester

6,345 posts

251 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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DamienB said:
Fine and dry at Duxford.
Sun came out minutes after both aircraft had flown off..

Lots of local heavy rain seemed to come & go through out the day...well, where I live anyway frown

dr_gn

16,168 posts

185 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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Eric Mc said:
Actually, the Mustang looks a lot more complete than I would have expected. I'm sure it'll be flying again at some time in the future.
I think the wreckage on the ground shows the fuselage and tailplane cut off just behind the radiator duct. There's what looks like the engine in a heap, but nothing of the centre fuselage or wings.

Waynester

6,345 posts

251 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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So glad both pilots lived to fly another day... but what shame about the Mustang. frown

Let's hope this doesn't give the lental munching brigade & Health & Safety idiots a cause to call for an immediate ban on old aircraft/warbirds displaying, or having the aircraft display no lower than 5000 feet & minimum 5 miles away from the display line! irked

Who was flying the Mustang?