HMS Queen Elizabeth

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Ginetta G15 Girl

3,220 posts

185 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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Given that ASRAAM entered service in 1998, what were the WAFUs using if they binned AiM-9L in the early '90s?

hidetheelephants

24,471 posts

194 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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Ginetta G15 Girl said:
Given that ASRAAM entered service in 1998, what were the WAFUs using if they binned AiM-9L in the early '90s?
Harsh language? Well matured 'special' socks?
perdu said:
Popular?

Oh
They're crazy for it in South Korea apparently.

Edited by hidetheelephants on Thursday 9th November 10:40

mikal83

5,340 posts

253 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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Ginetta G15 Girl said:
Given that ASRAAM entered service in 1998, what were the WAFUs using if they binned AiM-9L in the early '90s?
Nope we got ASRAAM earlier than that '94 or "95.

The 9M took over from the 9L but we were still using it when I left my aircraft carrier in '94

SantaBarbara

3,244 posts

109 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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What defensive armaments does this Carrier Carry

PRTVR

7,119 posts

222 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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SantaBarbara said:
What defensive armaments does this Carrier Carry
Invisible aircraft lots of them, fitted with the new BAE cloaking device.

DMN

2,984 posts

140 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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She will be fitted with Phlanax Close In Weapon System (CIWS) which is the last line of defence against missles and can also take on small surface craft.



For surface defence the 30mm DS30M:



She will also carry mini-guns and General Purpose Machine Guns (GPMG) for an extra level of close in protection.

Her main defence will be her Electronic Warfare Suit which will be powerful and vast, and not talked about at all in public.

98elise

26,644 posts

162 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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DMN said:
She will be fitted with Phlanax Close In Weapon System (CIWS) which is the last line of defence against missles and can also take on small surface craft.

Fixing/firing those used to be my day job smile

Europa1

10,923 posts

189 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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DMN said:
Her main defence will be her Electronic Warfare Suit which will be powerful and vast, and not talked about at all in public.
Can I ask my tailor to fit me up for one of those?

FourWheelDrift

88,555 posts

285 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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Europa1 said:
DMN said:
Her main defence will be her Electronic Warfare Suit which will be powerful and vast, and not talked about at all in public.
Can I ask my tailor to fit me up for one of those?
"God damn these electric sex pants."

DMN

2,984 posts

140 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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I realise I could have picked smaller pictures.....

RizzoTheRat

25,191 posts

193 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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Evanivitch said:
SantaBarbara said:
They should be kept in reserve at say ten days readiness.
They are ideal for humanitarian aid and disaster relief support.
10 days? Does that even qualify as being in reserve?
Depending on which system your using, 10 days would put it at Very High Readiness, or R3 on the UK measures, or the highest level of readiness on NATO's scales (High Readiness Forces).

I doubt we have much beyond a few Typhoons, a company or 2 of Paras/Marines and some special forces at R3 or higher hehe

IanH755

1,861 posts

121 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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...........and some transport to get the sneaky buggers to where they need to be wink

SantaBarbara

3,244 posts

109 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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RizzoTheRat said:
Depending on which system your using, 10 days would put it at Very High Readiness, or R3 on the UK measures, or the highest level of readiness on NATO's scales (High Readiness Forces).

I doubt we have much beyond a few Typhoons, a company or 2 of Paras/Marines and some special forces at R3 or higher hehe
Different from my days in MoD.

I. Remember when the TA were on 24 hours notice of mobilisation when there was a transport strike

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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Europa1 said:
DMN said:
Her main defence will be her Electronic Warfare Suit which will be powerful and vast, and not talked about at all in public.
Can I ask my tailor to fit me up for one of those?
hehe

RizzoTheRat

25,191 posts

193 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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IanH755 said:
...........and some transport to get the sneaky buggers to where they need to be wink
Not quite sure how readiness for a lot of transport stuff works, some of them will already be active supporting existing training so I'm not sure if they means they're counted as R0 or if there's a different category for stuff currently active. One for Ginetta I suspect


SantaBarbara said:
Different from my days in MoD.

I. Remember when the TA were on 24 hours notice of mobilisation when there was a transport strike
I guess that's before my time, what were they up to when with transport strikes?. I knew a few people who got dragged in to manning green goddesses during the fire brigade strike (Op Fresco?) but I think that was all regulars rather than reservists.

SantaBarbara said:
What defensive armaments does this Carrier Carry
The main defensive armament will presumably be a couple of Type 45s, a Type 26 or two (when we build them), and an Astute

Edited by RizzoTheRat on Thursday 9th November 16:39

Ginetta G15 Girl

3,220 posts

185 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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RizzoTheRat said:
Not quite sure how readiness for a lot of transport stuff works, some of them will already be active supporting existing training so I'm not sure if they means they're counted as R0 or if there's a different category for stuff currently active. One for Ginetta I suspect
In my day the Herc force held 4 crews on readiness, so at any one time that would be one crew from each Sqn.

1. QRA (Quick Reaction Alert) Crew. Held for a 24 period of duty, one had to stay on base. QRA was for SF call outs, both Hereford Hooligans and those hard looking chaps from Poole. IIRC QRA was RS30 (30 minutes notice to move), although in reality it would take the SF longer than that to get to Lyneham.

2. 6A Crew. 6 hrs readiness to move, for Foreign Office taskings. Duty could be held from home.

3. 6B Crew. 6 hrs readiness to move, for Home Office taskings. Duty could be held from home

4. Duty Working Crew. Used during the normal working day for things like airtests.

In reality Lyneham Ops never seemed to differentiate between 6A and 6B. If a tasking came up they'd automatically task the 6A crew first. WRT QRA, crews holding this would most likely get the aircraft ready for flight on a call out whilst a 47 Sqn SF crew would be called in for the actual Op.


Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Thursday 9th November 18:35

V8 Fettler

7,019 posts

133 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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DMN said:
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Her main defence will be her Electronic Warfare Suit which will be powerful and vast, and not talked about at all in public.
Remaining undetectable by the enemy will be her main defence.

98elise

26,644 posts

162 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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SantaBarbara said:
RizzoTheRat said:
Depending on which system your using, 10 days would put it at Very High Readiness, or R3 on the UK measures, or the highest level of readiness on NATO's scales (High Readiness Forces).

I doubt we have much beyond a few Typhoons, a company or 2 of Paras/Marines and some special forces at R3 or higher hehe
Different from my days in MoD.

I. Remember when the TA were on 24 hours notice of mobilisation when there was a transport strike
There is a bit more involved in getting a warship ready for sea than moving a group of people.

A large proportion of the crew are just there to keep it working. Take away that and it's just a slowly decaying steel box. If you want it ready to sail without a major work them you need a large crew.

You also need that crew to function as a team, and that takes training and experience working together. Once you stop then you don't have a functional crew anymore and you have to start from scratch like a new ship. That's why crews don't change en mass.

There isn't really an option to do it in half measures, you either keep it as a functional warship, or accept that it's out of commission for the foreseeable future.

Steve vRS

4,848 posts

242 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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SantaBarbara said:
What defensive armaments does this Carrier Carry
Hopefully some aeroplanes at some point.

mikal83

5,340 posts

253 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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Ginetta G15 Girl said:
RizzoTheRat said:
Not quite sure how readiness for a lot of transport stuff works, some of them will already be active supporting existing training so I'm not sure if they means they're counted as R0 or if there's a different category for stuff currently active. One for Ginetta I suspect
In my day the Herc force held 4 crews on readiness, so at any one time that would be one crew from each Sqn.

1. QRA (Quick Reaction Alert) Crew. Held for a 24 period of duty, one had to stay on base. QRA was for SF call outs, both Hereford Hooligans and those hard looking chaps from Poole. IIRC QRA was RS30 (30 minutes notice to move), although in reality it would take the SF longer than that to get to Lyneham.

2. 6A Crew. 6 hrs readiness to move, for Foreign Office taskings. Duty could be held from home.

3. 6B Crew. 6 hrs readiness to move, for Home Office taskings. Duty could be held from home

4. Duty Working Crew. Used during the normal working day for things like airtests.

In reality Lyneham Ops never seemed to differentiate between 6A and 6B. If a tasking came up they'd automatically task the 6A crew first. WRT QRA, crews holding this would most likely get the aircraft ready for flight on a call out whilst a 47 Sqn SF crew would be called in for the actual Op.


Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Thursday 9th November 18:35
And that just about describes crab air, quadraple the amount of manpower needed for one simple op. All tucked up in their hotels!