HMS Queen Elizabeth
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Quick update for anyone planning on popping down to watch her come home. She's due in tomorrow (Monday 10th) at 1:30PM. That's the "through the harbour entrance" time so will be visible for some time before that and will be near the Nab an hour beforehand.
I'm taking my daughter to her physio appointment at that time so this will be the first entry/exit I've missed. Hopefully one of you will be on hand to wave a camera about?
I'm taking my daughter to her physio appointment at that time so this will be the first entry/exit I've missed. Hopefully one of you will be on hand to wave a camera about?
fiatpower said:
Is there any reason for not having an angled flight deck like the others? I thought it was a British invention.
If you're trying to manoeuvre at low relative speed to the carrier, you want the wind over deck to be in the same direction as your direction of flight. With an angled deck you always effectively get a cross wind. It's also easier to line up for approach with a straight deck.Mave said:
If you're trying to manoeuvre at low relative speed to the carrier, you want the wind over deck to be in the same direction as your direction of flight.
An angled flight deck on a carrier lies at about 9 degrees. Are you seriously telling me that WAFU Pilots can't cope with a less than 10 degree X-Wind?
Additionally, all the Carrier has to do is steer 9 degrees off the wind!
Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Monday 10th December 23:22
I always thought that the purpose of an angled flight deck was simply to allow launching and recovery operations to be carried out simultaneously?
Launching off the forward cats, straight off the bow, recovery on the angled section on the wire traps. The reason the QE doesn't need an angled deck being that she's not a cat/trap vessel, operating only rotary and fixed wing STOVL aircraft?
Happy to be corrected if I'm passing off a complete load of billiards here, just what I (thought) I'd learned from reading and watching documentaries on the telly, etc. Never been near a carrier other than chugging past one tied up in Pompey harbour prior to disposal, so I've no first hand expertise on the subject...
Launching off the forward cats, straight off the bow, recovery on the angled section on the wire traps. The reason the QE doesn't need an angled deck being that she's not a cat/trap vessel, operating only rotary and fixed wing STOVL aircraft?
Happy to be corrected if I'm passing off a complete load of billiards here, just what I (thought) I'd learned from reading and watching documentaries on the telly, etc. Never been near a carrier other than chugging past one tied up in Pompey harbour prior to disposal, so I've no first hand expertise on the subject...
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
Mave said:
If you're trying to manoeuvre at low relative speed to the carrier, you want the wind over deck to be in the same direction as your direction of flight.
An angled flight deck on a carrier lies at about 9 degrees. Are you seriously telling me that WAFU Pilots can't cope with a less than 10 degree X-Wind?Additionally, all the Carrier has to do is steer 9 degrees off the wind and then the headwind is straight down the deck FFS!
Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Monday 10th December 21:17
No, I think you need to think about it.
While it's not a perfect scenario (and the X-Wind will never be zero in your example it will be seriously less. A Carrier can alter the wind over the deck, a fixed airfield can't.
But hey, please explain to me why a service Pilot can't deal with a 10 degree X-Wind.
Seriously, I'm all ears to hear your expertise.
While it's not a perfect scenario (and the X-Wind will never be zero in your example it will be seriously less. A Carrier can alter the wind over the deck, a fixed airfield can't.
But hey, please explain to me why a service Pilot can't deal with a 10 degree X-Wind.
Seriously, I'm all ears to hear your expertise.
Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Monday 10th December 21:58
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
No, I think you need to think about it.
While it's not a perfect scenario, a Carrier can alter the wind over the deck, a fixed airfield can't.
But hey, please explain to me why a service Pilot can't deal with a 10 degree X-Wind.
Seriously, I'm all ears to hear your expertise.
I think carriers are a fair bit shorter than static airfields that might make landing an aircraft slightly more demandingWhile it's not a perfect scenario, a Carrier can alter the wind over the deck, a fixed airfield can't.
But hey, please explain to me why a service Pilot can't deal with a 10 degree X-Wind.
Seriously, I'm all ears to hear your expertise.
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