HMS Queen Elizabeth
Discussion
Coolbanana said:
Munter said:
In any event it's not about costs. It's about process, and attitude.
Things that are important if you are in charge of an aircraft carrier.
Utterly pathetic to the point of being pedantic in a retarded way though. I wholeheartedly agree that a Captain of his responsibility and stature needs to be above board in all matters and so censured in this instance accordingly as rules were apparently broken. Things that are important if you are in charge of an aircraft carrier.
However, to lose his Captaincy on this ship over it? Ridiculous! If someone is deemed to have the quality required to lead a flagship into war - and by that I mean the capability to make the right decisions in combat - then to lose such a person's ability over such a relatively trivial - and yes, it is trivial in the grand scheme of things - is retarded.
Good to know though, I guess, that the UK can afford not to use its 1st choice Captain in a conflict situation on account of his wife using a Ford Galaxy without permission! Moronic - and I don't care who disagrees!
Having spent over 35 years in the RN and using 'Service Vehicles' initially then government rental cars I can assure you that there is a MOD form associated with each vehicle.
On starting a journey you are required to enter the following;
Name of Driver
Start point
Start mileage
End mileage
End destination
A company fuel card is provided with each vehicle allowing fill up with the litres purchased also added to the same MOD Form. All receipts to be retained and submitted to the MT Garage logistics staff at the end of each month.
Every mile has to be accounted for as well as the fuel usage.
Having spent over 15 years on carriers the 'Norm' is for the Captain to be allocated a 'Service Vehicle' which a nominated driver (Normally the Captains Steward) would drive on 'Official Ships Business'. There would also be a transit or 15 seater for the crew, primarily sports teams co-ordinated through the PT staff.
Every ship has a nominated MT (Motor Transport) Officer which is normally an additional duty for the Flight Deck Officer or one of the FAA Warrant Officers.
There is no way in Hell that the Captain was not aware that he should not use the service vehicle for private use and certainly not for his wife to carry out school runs. You would have to ask why was the vehicle at his home address in the first place???
On starting a journey you are required to enter the following;
Name of Driver
Start point
Start mileage
End mileage
End destination
A company fuel card is provided with each vehicle allowing fill up with the litres purchased also added to the same MOD Form. All receipts to be retained and submitted to the MT Garage logistics staff at the end of each month.
Every mile has to be accounted for as well as the fuel usage.
Having spent over 15 years on carriers the 'Norm' is for the Captain to be allocated a 'Service Vehicle' which a nominated driver (Normally the Captains Steward) would drive on 'Official Ships Business'. There would also be a transit or 15 seater for the crew, primarily sports teams co-ordinated through the PT staff.
Every ship has a nominated MT (Motor Transport) Officer which is normally an additional duty for the Flight Deck Officer or one of the FAA Warrant Officers.
There is no way in Hell that the Captain was not aware that he should not use the service vehicle for private use and certainly not for his wife to carry out school runs. You would have to ask why was the vehicle at his home address in the first place???
It is not a company car, it is a piece of military property, a service vehicle.
A service vehicle is approved for use for authorised journeys only in performance of a duty.
It is insured for any service person who is authorised to conduct a journey as a duty within their role.
That service person would need an FMT600 (service driving licence with the appropriate permissions for the vehicle).
It is misuse of service property.
The CO would be expected to discipline a subordinate for allowing the misuse of service property.
It is absolutely correct that he is disciplined for this, whether or not the loss of command is appropriate is a different question.
AS a side note, I recently acted as an Assisting Officer to a Pte who used a service vehicle to visit a lady friend. He got £100!
If that had been me being in front of the CO, I would have been expected to get significantly more as I hold a position of responsibility and should set an example. I am many ranks below the QE CO!
A service vehicle is approved for use for authorised journeys only in performance of a duty.
It is insured for any service person who is authorised to conduct a journey as a duty within their role.
That service person would need an FMT600 (service driving licence with the appropriate permissions for the vehicle).
It is misuse of service property.
The CO would be expected to discipline a subordinate for allowing the misuse of service property.
It is absolutely correct that he is disciplined for this, whether or not the loss of command is appropriate is a different question.
AS a side note, I recently acted as an Assisting Officer to a Pte who used a service vehicle to visit a lady friend. He got £100!
If that had been me being in front of the CO, I would have been expected to get significantly more as I hold a position of responsibility and should set an example. I am many ranks below the QE CO!
[quote=Speculatore]Having spent over 35 years in the RN and using 'Service Vehicles' initially then government rental cars I can assure you that there is a MOD form associated with each vehicle.
On starting a journey you are required to enter the following;
Name of Driver
Start point
Start mileage
End mileage
End destination
A company fuel card is provided with each vehicle allowing fill up with the litres purchased also added to the same MOD Form. All receipts to be retained and submitted to the MT Garage logistics staff at the end of each month.
Every mile has to be accounted for as well as the fuel usage.
Having spent over 15 years on carriers the 'Norm' is for the Captain to be allocated a 'Service Vehicle' which a nominated driver (Normally the Captains Steward) would drive on 'Official Ships Business'. There would also be a transit or 15 seater for the crew, primarily sports teams co-ordinated through the PT staff.
Every ship has a nominated MT (Motor Transport) Officer which is normally an additional duty for the Flight Deck Officer or one of the FAA Warrant Officers.
There is no way in Hell that the Captain was not aware that he should not use the service vehicle for private use and certainly not for his wife to carry out school runs. You would have to ask why was the vehicle at his home address in the first place???[/quote
Yep pretty much what I had to put up with. AND quite accurate. Although you could fudge the actual mileage done, overall it had to be believable..
On starting a journey you are required to enter the following;
Name of Driver
Start point
Start mileage
End mileage
End destination
A company fuel card is provided with each vehicle allowing fill up with the litres purchased also added to the same MOD Form. All receipts to be retained and submitted to the MT Garage logistics staff at the end of each month.
Every mile has to be accounted for as well as the fuel usage.
Having spent over 15 years on carriers the 'Norm' is for the Captain to be allocated a 'Service Vehicle' which a nominated driver (Normally the Captains Steward) would drive on 'Official Ships Business'. There would also be a transit or 15 seater for the crew, primarily sports teams co-ordinated through the PT staff.
Every ship has a nominated MT (Motor Transport) Officer which is normally an additional duty for the Flight Deck Officer or one of the FAA Warrant Officers.
There is no way in Hell that the Captain was not aware that he should not use the service vehicle for private use and certainly not for his wife to carry out school runs. You would have to ask why was the vehicle at his home address in the first place???[/quote
Yep pretty much what I had to put up with. AND quite accurate. Although you could fudge the actual mileage done, overall it had to be believable..
He definitely should be sacked.
First he’s lending his wife his ford galaxy
Next she’s borrowing his aircraft carrier
Where will it end.
No way his men (and those wrens) will follow him to war after this!
I know this from being in the school CCF and doing press-ups in an itchy shirt and NATO jumper.
First he’s lending his wife his ford galaxy
Next she’s borrowing his aircraft carrier
Where will it end.
No way his men (and those wrens) will follow him to war after this!
I know this from being in the school CCF and doing press-ups in an itchy shirt and NATO jumper.
saaby93 said:
RizzoTheRat said:
I used to work for a company were we used hire cars a lot for company business, but not allowed for private miles. If someone had a booking before and after a weekend the hire company would often leave the car with you. One numpty in our department got a warning for putting in an expense claim for fuel with a receipt from a Saturday about 100 miles from home. The second time he did it he got fired.
Thats a bit daft if he's topped it up for work use the rest of the week.If he'd topped it up during the week and used it at the weekend that would have been ok?
Edited by saaby93 on Friday 24th May 16:16
t for taking without consent and driving without insurance.El stovey said:
He definitely should be sacked.
First he’s lending his wife his ford galaxy
Next she’s borrowing his aircraft carrier
Where will it end.
No way his men (and those wrens) will follow him to war after this!
I know this from being in the school CCF and doing press-ups in an itchy shirt and NATO jumper.
No such thing as WRENSFirst he’s lending his wife his ford galaxy
Next she’s borrowing his aircraft carrier
Where will it end.
No way his men (and those wrens) will follow him to war after this!
I know this from being in the school CCF and doing press-ups in an itchy shirt and NATO jumper.
Gandahar said:
The white elephant with it's lack of planes but multiple commanders.
Why would there be planes on board? It's still undergoing sea trials and hasn't entered active service yet. The recent tests have included numerous take-offs and landings of the F35s whereby they established procedures for such manoeuvres, essentially writing the take-off and landing handbook. This five week trip is for other trials and tests (including some new crew members) and further tests involving aircraft will be conducted later in the year.
Plonking planes on board now would be like fitting carpets to your new house before you paint the ceilings.
Cold said:
Gandahar said:
The white elephant with it's lack of planes but multiple commanders.
Why would there be planes on board? It's still undergoing sea trials and hasn't entered active service yet. The recent tests have included numerous take-offs and landings of the F35s whereby they established procedures for such manoeuvres, essentially writing the take-off and landing handbook. This five week trip is for other trials and tests (including some new crew members) and further tests involving aircraft will be conducted later in the year.
Plonking planes on board now would be like fitting carpets to your new house before you paint the ceilings.
When will it have the planes? This year?
2020?
They have been painting the ceilings since 2017.
Edited by Gandahar on Monday 17th June 17:40
Gandahar said:
Strange that we have an aircraft carrier but no planes to fly from it.
When will it have the planes? This year?
2020?
We don't yet have an aircraft carrier that's ready for deployment. We have a ship that's still undergoing testing of all its facilities - all to plan and on schedule. Don't fret so much. When will it have the planes? This year?
2020?
Operating one of these is not simple. It takes a significant amount of time to become experienced.
Aircraft and helicopters have operated from the decks and trials are ahead of schedule.
This period follows a quite intensive work package so quite right that QNLZ sails for 5 weeks or so to undertake them.
Aircraft and helicopters have operated from the decks and trials are ahead of schedule.
This period follows a quite intensive work package so quite right that QNLZ sails for 5 weeks or so to undertake them.
Cold said:
Gandahar said:
Strange that we have an aircraft carrier but no planes to fly from it.
When will it have the planes? This year?
2020?
We don't yet have an aircraft carrier that's ready for deployment. We have a ship that's still undergoing testing of all its facilities - all to plan and on schedule. Don't fret so much. When will it have the planes? This year?
2020?
Which it is.
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