HMS Queen Elizabeth

[anonymous-user]

FourWheelDrift]Next [insert cruise line said:

captain?

Apparently the two are quite different. I assumed most cruise ship captains would come from the navies of the world but it seems they tend to come through the cruise company or other civil ships.

I think the qualifications aren’t actually transferable and the ex navy people have to start at the bottom.

Perhaps someone on here knows more about it though?

[Europa1]

El stovey said:

Apparently the two are quite different. I assumed most cruise ship captains would come from the navies of the world but it seems they tend to come through the cruise company or other civil ships.

I think the qualifications aren’t actually transferable and the ex navy people have to start at the bottom.

Perhaps someone on here knows more about it though?

I remember a documentary in which the captain of Leander was interviewed. He was ex-Polaris submarines - possibly a little over-qualified for a superyacht!

[mikal83]

98elise said:

mikal83 said:

Lurking Lawyer said:

I see Nick Cooke-Priest has resigned his commission.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/04/captai...

With a massive pension and will be hired by some military hardware supplier as a consultant

Why would his pension be in question? He's resigned from his job, and his pension will be whatever he's entitled to for his rank, and number of years service, and his age.

He's also entitled to work for whoever he wants to when he's left the service.

Who said his pension is in question?

[98elise]

mikal83 said:

98elise said:

mikal83 said:

Lurking Lawyer said:

I see Nick Cooke-Priest has resigned his commission.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/04/captai...

With a massive pension and will be hired by some military hardware supplier as a consultant

Why would his pension be in question? He's resigned from his job, and his pension will be whatever he's entitled to for his rank, and number of years service, and his age.

He's also entitled to work for whoever he wants to when he's left the service.

Who said his pension is in question?

If not to question, what was the point of your post? People resign from jobs every day and retain their pension. It's not something that's abnormal or even noteworthy?

His resignation can only reduce his pension entitlement , not enhance it.

When I resigned from the Navy my pension was massively reduced in value because I left prematurely.

[Ayahuasca]

I doubt the commanding officer of an aircraft carrier would derive much job satisfaction from skippering a cruise ship. Unless of course it came with a decent company car.

[anonymous-user]

Europa1 said:

El stovey said:

Apparently the two are quite different. I assumed most cruise ship captains would come from the navies of the world but it seems they tend to come through the cruise company or other civil ships.

I think the qualifications aren’t actually transferable and the ex navy people have to start at the bottom.

Perhaps someone on here knows more about it though?

I remember a documentary in which the captain of Leander was interviewed. He was ex-Polaris submarines - possibly a little over-qualified for a superyacht!

I remember doing a day skipper sailing course a while ago and a guy on my boat had been on submarines, (not an officer)

Presumably to captain a cruise ship or whatever, they still have to do all the master mariner type marine exams?

[anonymous-user]

Ayahuasca said:

I doubt the commanding officer of an aircraft carrier would derive much job satisfaction from skippering a cruise ship. Unless of course it came with a decent company car.

Really? So what about say someone who commands a smaller ship and they retire, do they just quit? There must be much more money commanding a cruise ship than being in command of a Navy ship? Or do they go into office type roles in the Navy or MOD?

Apologies for not knowing any of the correct terminology.

When you look at pilots (and some aircraft engineers) in the RN or RAF most go into airlines afterwards, especially after short service commissions. I assumed there might be a similar situation in the Navy?

ETA

Maybe not.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2006/jan/28/care...

article said:

When my friends and I have a drink and compare notes on our different jobs and industries, the biggest difference is salaries. People have a misconception of the salary that the captain of a cruise ship earns. The captain of, say, a 747 might earn £120,000 to £150,000 a year, three times what I make. My friends look at me and say, All that responsibility and that's what you get paid?

(2006 though)

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 5th July 18:53

[98elise]

El stovey said:

Ayahuasca said:

I doubt the commanding officer of an aircraft carrier would derive much job satisfaction from skippering a cruise ship. Unless of course it came with a decent company car.

Really? So what about say someone who commands a smaller ship and they retire, do they just quit? There must be much more money commanding a cruise ship than being in command of a Navy ship? Or do they go into office type roles in the Navy or MOD?

Apologies for not knowing any of the correct terminology.

When you look at pilots (and some aircraft engineers) in the RN or RAF most go into airlines afterwards, especially after short service commissions. I assumed there might be a similar situation in the Navy?

ETA

Maybe not.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2006/jan/28/care...

article said:

When my friends and I have a drink and compare notes on our different jobs and industries, the biggest difference is salaries. People have a misconception of the salary that the captain of a cruise ship earns. The captain of, say, a 747 might earn £120,000 to £150,000 a year, three times what I make. My friends look at me and say, All that responsibility and that's what you get paid?

(2006 though)

Edited by El stovey on Friday 5th July 18:53

The vast majority of all RN trades will go on to do something similar unless their skills are transferable to another industry. A ship's captain predominantly operates the ship as a ship. The fact it's an aircraft carrier doesn't make a lot of difference, the aircraft are operated by the air department not the captain.

One of my ex captains ended up being the captain of a luxury yacht (Leander)

As you say, pilots tend to go into commercial aviation, as do air engineers. Same goes for most trades. My engineering training was 4 years, so was an obvious career path to continue when leaving.

Edited by 98elise on Friday 5th July 19:27

[anonymous-user]

98elise said:

A ship's captain predominantly operates the ship as a ship. The fact it's an aircraft carrier doesn't make a lot of difference, the aircraft are operated by the air department not the captain.

One of my ex captains ended up being the captain of a luxury yacht.

Would they have to do all the marine exams etc like master mariner? Or is a luxury yacht different in some way?

[DJFish]

A pal of mine was on Leander years ago and I got to have a nosey onboard, it was ok...if a little chintzy.

This should clear up the RN vs Merch queries:

Rn can get mn jobs but it’s not like you can walk into a masters position in any company.

Edited by DJFish on Friday 5th July 19:49

Edited by DJFish on Friday 5th July 19:50

[hidetheelephants]

El stovey said:

FourWheelDrift]Next [insert cruise line said:

captain?

Apparently the two are quite different. I assumed most cruise ship captains would come from the navies of the world but it seems they tend to come through the cruise company or other civil ships.

I think the qualifications aren’t actually transferable and the ex navy people have to start at the bottom.

Perhaps someone on here knows more about it though?

RN engineer officers experience is transferable, although the watchkeeping equivalency is a ratio(possibly 2:1? The MCA probably have an MGN on the subject) as a big chunk of the job is management rather than marine engineering. I would assume the same applies to deck/navigation officers as divisional duties is part of being a naval orifice.

Cruise ship window watchers can get upwards of £70k, if qualifying for seafarers' tax exemption that makes it up to £85k.

[mikal83]

98elise said:

mikal83 said:

98elise said:

mikal83 said:

Lurking Lawyer said:

I see Nick Cooke-Priest has resigned his commission.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/04/captai...

With a massive pension and will be hired by some military hardware supplier as a consultant

Why would his pension be in question? He's resigned from his job, and his pension will be whatever he's entitled to for his rank, and number of years service, and his age.

He's also entitled to work for whoever he wants to when he's left the service.

Who said his pension is in question?

If not to question, what was the point of your post? People resign from jobs every day and retain their pension. It's not something that's abnormal or even noteworthy?

His resignation can only reduce his pension entitlement , not enhance it.

When I resigned from the Navy my pension was massively reduced in value because I left prematurely.

If you cant work it out, I cant be bothered to explain. Captains of aircraft carriers dont get removed from their ship everyday do they and then resign before an enquiry starts eh.
Why did he resign.
He chose to resign, thereby reducing his pension. No one else, sympathy...zero.
So you chose to resign early and your pension was reduced?? And so what.

[Europa1]

mikal83 said:

If you cant work it out, I cant be bothered to explain. Captains of aircraft carriers dont get removed from their ship everyday do they and then resign before an enquiry starts eh.
Why did he resign.
He chose to resign, thereby reducing his pension. No one else, sympathy...zero.
So you chose to resign early and your pension was reduced?? And so what.

You do seem somewhat exercised about the fact he left with a pension.

[mikal83]

Europa1 said:

mikal83 said:

If you cant work it out, I cant be bothered to explain. Captains of aircraft carriers dont get removed from their ship everyday do they and then resign before an enquiry starts eh.
Why did he resign.
He chose to resign, thereby reducing his pension. No one else, sympathy...zero.
So you chose to resign early and your pension was reduced?? And so what.

You do seem somewhat exercised about the fact he left with a pension.

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrm no.

[Europa1]

mikal83 said:

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrm no.

You're going to have to help me out with this, I'm afraid.

What point were you making by referring to his pension?

[mikal83]

Europa1 said:

mikal83 said:

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrm no.

You're going to have to help me out with this, I'm afraid.

What point were you making by referring to his pension?

It was a statement. WTF are YOU on about? Please explain. Do you know about military pensions and how they work. Please tell us about it.

[normalbloke]

Pistinbreds at it’s finest....

[Europa1]

mikal83 said:

Europa1 said:

mikal83 said:

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrm no.

You're going to have to help me out with this, I'm afraid.

What point were you making by referring to his pension?

It was a statement. WTF are YOU on about? Please explain. Do you know about military pensions and how they work. Please tell us about it.

I know nothing about military pensions and how they work, nor am I claiming to. The fact that the bloke resigned, is keeping his pension, and, having worked in the armed forces, may find employment with a defence contractor, seems completely unremarkable to me.

If in fact it's the case that there is a provision in his pension that states he should lose it if he resigns whilst subject to a disciplinary inquiry, I'd have understood why you thought it noteworthy.

[mikal83]

Europa1 said:

I know nothing about military pensions and how they work, nor am I claiming to. The fact that the bloke resigned, is keeping his pension, and, having worked in the armed forces, may find employment with a defence contractor, seems completely unremarkable to me.

If in fact it's the case that there is a provision in his pension that states he should lose it if he resigns whilst subject to a disciplinary inquiry, I'd have understood why you thought it noteworthy.

So basically you havent a clue!

[Europa1]

mikal83 said:

Europa1 said:

I know nothing about military pensions and how they work, nor am I claiming to. The fact that the bloke resigned, is keeping his pension, and, having worked in the armed forces, may find employment with a defence contractor, seems completely unremarkable to me.

If in fact it's the case that there is a provision in his pension that states he should lose it if he resigns whilst subject to a disciplinary inquiry, I'd have understood why you thought it noteworthy.

So basically you havent a clue!

About how military pensions work? No, I don't. I think that was implicit in my use of the words "I know nothing about military pensions and how they work, nor am I claiming to." Is there something incorrect in the fact that he has resigned with but kept some kind of pension entitlement? By incorrect I mean under the terms of his pension, not from a sense of rectitude.