HMS Queen Elizabeth
Discussion
98elise said:
Cold said:
mikal83 said:
The crew will be recalled...............where did they go?
Shore leave, mostly. Spent with their families etc. Although, some may have gone off for other projects or training.There will have been a skeleton crew on shift for security and day-to-day functions (albeit not necessarily made up entirely of HMS QNLZ crew) but the entire crew being on board while the guys in overalls wave spanners and welders about would just get in the way.
Tomorrow's voyage is going to be a few months at sea for all involved, so they will function better after being at home while the ship was being mended/modified/equipped.
A broken ship doesn't mean everyone goes on leave. Leave is planned around ship operations, and training is done prior to a draft.
When a ship is in for unplanned repairs the crew would need to be ready to sail at short notice.
Also they wouldn't have other crews manning a ship. There is always a minimum duty watch made up of the crew no matter what the siruation.
Nobody will be getting in the way. The crew includes a large Marine engineering branch who will be involved in the repairs. Everyone else won't even be in those spaces.
Edited by 98elise on Friday 30th August 08:44
Cold said:
It's never struck me before, but why is her hurricane bow flat? Cheapness? Other than the through-deck cruisers all the british carriers had rounded off hurricane bows, unlike the americans in ww2, and weathered Pacific storms with little or no damage whereas the yanks suffered badly; in the event of QE taking some green that flat front is going to be severely dented if not stoved in.
Can someone please explain how the F35-B is likely to perform in operations.
I've heard quite a few people say this aircraft is outclassed by many of its potential rivals.
( And some aircraft that are pretty old too ).
Obviously the choice of aircraft was (very) limited because the new carriers do not have catapults or arrestor gear but the carriers' purpose is to project power globally and it strikes me as poor if the weaponry on board is second rate.
I've heard quite a few people say this aircraft is outclassed by many of its potential rivals.
( And some aircraft that are pretty old too ).
Obviously the choice of aircraft was (very) limited because the new carriers do not have catapults or arrestor gear but the carriers' purpose is to project power globally and it strikes me as poor if the weaponry on board is second rate.
El stovey said:
Thanks for that. Very interesting. So have you ever gone on a ship and it’s completely quiet like, before it’s mothballed or during a refit or even during a refit is there always a background hum etc of those systems running?
Maybe it’s just me but I find it fantastic that it gets built and powered up and then something always stays running until the ship ends it’s service.
I really don't want to come across like I'm putting my 'experience' on a par with the professional seafarers and what I'm about to say has sod all to do with the QE but:Maybe it’s just me but I find it fantastic that it gets built and powered up and then something always stays running until the ship ends it’s service.
Edited by El stovey on Friday 30th August 09:36
When I used to volunteer on the SS Shieldhall (1950s ex-Glasgow 'sludge boat' built to a 1920s design, now preserved in Southampton, largest twin-screw steamship still in seagoing condition yadda yadda) there was one time when we went aboard the day before the first sailing of the season and the ship was essentially 'dead'. She was plugged into shore power so there was lighting, there was gas for the galley stove and there was power to the fire/smoke detectors and the automatic electric bilge pumps but essentially nothing else - most of the circuit breakers had been pulled on the main switchboard. The boilers were cold and the engine room was completely still - it was so quiet that you could hear the waves slapping against the hull, trickling water in the bilges, the mooring lines creaking, the fenders gently clanking against the side and a dropped bolt or ball bearing rolling around under the floor plates if the ship moved a bit.
It took about 11 hours to raise steam and bring the ship from 'cold and dark' to full operational condition. It's very satisfying to work to get from a lifeless (and it does feel eerily lifeless when you're surrounded by motionless steam engines and boilers with about 20 tons of cold water in them apiece) collection of machinery to a noisy, hot, hissing, oil-dripping system with the circulating pumps, dynamo, feed pump, fuel pumps and blower fan all ticking away.
2xChevrons said:
El stovey said:
Thanks for that. Very interesting. So have you ever gone on a ship and it’s completely quiet like, before it’s mothballed or during a refit or even during a refit is there always a background hum etc of those systems running?
Maybe it’s just me but I find it fantastic that it gets built and powered up and then something always stays running until the ship ends it’s service.
I really don't want to come across like I'm putting my 'experience' on a par with the professional seafarers and what I'm about to say has sod all to do with the QE but:Maybe it’s just me but I find it fantastic that it gets built and powered up and then something always stays running until the ship ends it’s service.
Edited by El stovey on Friday 30th August 09:36
When I used to volunteer on the SS Shieldhall (1950s ex-Glasgow 'sludge boat' built to a 1920s design, now preserved in Southampton, largest twin-screw steamship still in seagoing condition yadda yadda) there was one time when we went aboard the day before the first sailing of the season and the ship was essentially 'dead'. She was plugged into shore power so there was lighting, there was gas for the galley stove and there was power to the fire/smoke detectors and the automatic electric bilge pumps but essentially nothing else - most of the circuit breakers had been pulled on the main switchboard. The boilers were cold and the engine room was completely still - it was so quiet that you could hear the waves slapping against the hull, trickling water in the bilges, the mooring lines creaking, the fenders gently clanking against the side and a dropped bolt or ball bearing rolling around under the floor plates if the ship moved a bit.
It took about 11 hours to raise steam and bring the ship from 'cold and dark' to full operational condition. It's very satisfying to work to get from a lifeless (and it does feel eerily lifeless when you're surrounded by motionless steam engines and boilers with about 20 tons of cold water in them apiece) collection of machinery to a noisy, hot, hissing, oil-dripping system with the circulating pumps, dynamo, feed pump, fuel pumps and blower fan all ticking away.
Red 4 said:
Can someone please explain how the F35-B is likely to perform in operations.
I've heard quite a few people say this aircraft is outclassed by many of its potential rivals.
( And some aircraft that are pretty old too ).
Obviously the choice of aircraft was (very) limited because the new carriers do not have catapults or arrestor gear but the carriers' purpose is to project power globally and it strikes me as poor if the weaponry on board is second rate.
There's a huuuuge separate thread on it. Fact is, it's so important to so much of the US services eg marines etc that something working probably has to eventually emerge from the money pit. Then again it is a boeing...I've heard quite a few people say this aircraft is outclassed by many of its potential rivals.
( And some aircraft that are pretty old too ).
Obviously the choice of aircraft was (very) limited because the new carriers do not have catapults or arrestor gear but the carriers' purpose is to project power globally and it strikes me as poor if the weaponry on board is second rate.
ecsrobin said:
Managed to get down and video it departing. Also a french warship in the solent, British Minehunter and RFA tideforce. https://youtu.be/N9JXHBWjW6Q
Thanks.... I enjoyed that. I used to keep a boat very close to where you shot from and would liked to have seen QE leave.Very clear video - tell me that's not an iPhone!
NDA said:
Thanks.... I enjoyed that. I used to keep a boat very close to where you shot from and would liked to have seen QE leave.
Very clear video - tell me that's not an iPhone!
That’s an iPhone and only on HD as I did a software update and it reset it from 4K so that’s not at its best! Very clear video - tell me that's not an iPhone!
Every time it’s departed or come in to port I’ve fortunately been at home (although I keep missing it) I’ll always try and get a video if I’m about.
Teddy Lop said:
Red 4 said:
Can someone please explain how the F35-B is likely to perform in operations.
I've heard quite a few people say this aircraft is outclassed by many of its potential rivals.
( And some aircraft that are pretty old too ).
Obviously the choice of aircraft was (very) limited because the new carriers do not have catapults or arrestor gear but the carriers' purpose is to project power globally and it strikes me as poor if the weaponry on board is second rate.
There's a huuuuge separate thread on it. Fact is, it's so important to so much of the US services eg marines etc that something working probably has to eventually emerge from the money pit. Then again it is a boeing...I've heard quite a few people say this aircraft is outclassed by many of its potential rivals.
( And some aircraft that are pretty old too ).
Obviously the choice of aircraft was (very) limited because the new carriers do not have catapults or arrestor gear but the carriers' purpose is to project power globally and it strikes me as poor if the weaponry on board is second rate.
I did search the other night but the thread must have been in stealth mode.
Fortunately, the thread appears to have gone supersonic over the weekend and has lost its invisibility to my radar.
Much like an F-35 with bits that keep peeling/ falling off if the aircraft is used as intended
ecsrobin said:
NDA said:
Thanks.... I enjoyed that. I used to keep a boat very close to where you shot from and would liked to have seen QE leave.
Very clear video - tell me that's not an iPhone!
That’s an iPhone and only on HD as I did a software update and it reset it from 4K so that’s not at its best! Very clear video - tell me that's not an iPhone!
Every time it’s departed or come in to port I’ve fortunately been at home (although I keep missing it) I’ll always try and get a video if I’m about.
2xChevrons said:
I really don't want to come across like I'm putting my 'experience' on a par with the professional seafarers and what I'm about to say has sod all to do with the QE but:
When I used to volunteer on the SS Shieldhall (1950s ex-Glasgow 'sludge boat' built to a 1920s design, now preserved in Southampton, largest twin-screw steamship still in seagoing condition yadda yadda) there was one time when we went aboard the day before the first sailing of the season and the ship was essentially 'dead'. She was plugged into shore power so there was lighting, there was gas for the galley stove and there was power to the fire/smoke detectors and the automatic electric bilge pumps but essentially nothing else - most of the circuit breakers had been pulled on the main switchboard. The boilers were cold and the engine room was completely still - it was so quiet that you could hear the waves slapping against the hull, trickling water in the bilges, the mooring lines creaking, the fenders gently clanking against the side and a dropped bolt or ball bearing rolling around under the floor plates if the ship moved a bit.
It took about 11 hours to raise steam and bring the ship from 'cold and dark' to full operational condition. It's very satisfying to work to get from a lifeless (and it does feel eerily lifeless when you're surrounded by motionless steam engines and boilers with about 20 tons of cold water in them apiece) collection of machinery to a noisy, hot, hissing, oil-dripping system with the circulating pumps, dynamo, feed pump, fuel pumps and blower fan all ticking away.
Completely off topic, but SS Shieldhall was at anchor near HMS Argyll and RFA Lyme Bay on Sunday off Bournemouth for the final day of the Air Festival. Your post allowed me to put a name to the ship and check Google images to positively identify it. Can't be more'n one of 'em as looks like that... When I used to volunteer on the SS Shieldhall (1950s ex-Glasgow 'sludge boat' built to a 1920s design, now preserved in Southampton, largest twin-screw steamship still in seagoing condition yadda yadda) there was one time when we went aboard the day before the first sailing of the season and the ship was essentially 'dead'. She was plugged into shore power so there was lighting, there was gas for the galley stove and there was power to the fire/smoke detectors and the automatic electric bilge pumps but essentially nothing else - most of the circuit breakers had been pulled on the main switchboard. The boilers were cold and the engine room was completely still - it was so quiet that you could hear the waves slapping against the hull, trickling water in the bilges, the mooring lines creaking, the fenders gently clanking against the side and a dropped bolt or ball bearing rolling around under the floor plates if the ship moved a bit.
It took about 11 hours to raise steam and bring the ship from 'cold and dark' to full operational condition. It's very satisfying to work to get from a lifeless (and it does feel eerily lifeless when you're surrounded by motionless steam engines and boilers with about 20 tons of cold water in them apiece) collection of machinery to a noisy, hot, hissing, oil-dripping system with the circulating pumps, dynamo, feed pump, fuel pumps and blower fan all ticking away.
2xChevrons said:
I really don't want to come across like I'm putting my 'experience' on a par with the professional seafarers and what I'm about to say has sod all to do with the QE but:
When I used to volunteer on the SS Shieldhall (1950s ex-Glasgow 'sludge boat' built to a 1920s design, now preserved in Southampton, largest twin-screw steamship still in seagoing condition yadda yadda) there was one time when we went aboard the day before the first sailing of the season and the ship was essentially 'dead'. She was plugged into shore power so there was lighting, there was gas for the galley stove and there was power to the fire/smoke detectors and the automatic electric bilge pumps but essentially nothing else - most of the circuit breakers had been pulled on the main switchboard. The boilers were cold and the engine room was completely still - it was so quiet that you could hear the waves slapping against the hull, trickling water in the bilges, the mooring lines creaking, the fenders gently clanking against the side and a dropped bolt or ball bearing rolling around under the floor plates if the ship moved a bit.
It took about 11 hours to raise steam and bring the ship from 'cold and dark' to full operational condition. It's very satisfying to work to get from a lifeless (and it does feel eerily lifeless when you're surrounded by motionless steam engines and boilers with about 20 tons of cold water in them apiece) collection of machinery to a noisy, hot, hissing, oil-dripping system with the circulating pumps, dynamo, feed pump, fuel pumps and blower fan all ticking away.
Nice post, thanks for that. When I used to volunteer on the SS Shieldhall (1950s ex-Glasgow 'sludge boat' built to a 1920s design, now preserved in Southampton, largest twin-screw steamship still in seagoing condition yadda yadda) there was one time when we went aboard the day before the first sailing of the season and the ship was essentially 'dead'. She was plugged into shore power so there was lighting, there was gas for the galley stove and there was power to the fire/smoke detectors and the automatic electric bilge pumps but essentially nothing else - most of the circuit breakers had been pulled on the main switchboard. The boilers were cold and the engine room was completely still - it was so quiet that you could hear the waves slapping against the hull, trickling water in the bilges, the mooring lines creaking, the fenders gently clanking against the side and a dropped bolt or ball bearing rolling around under the floor plates if the ship moved a bit.
It took about 11 hours to raise steam and bring the ship from 'cold and dark' to full operational condition. It's very satisfying to work to get from a lifeless (and it does feel eerily lifeless when you're surrounded by motionless steam engines and boilers with about 20 tons of cold water in them apiece) collection of machinery to a noisy, hot, hissing, oil-dripping system with the circulating pumps, dynamo, feed pump, fuel pumps and blower fan all ticking away.
El stovey said:
2xChevrons said:
I really don't want to come across like I'm putting my 'experience' on a par with the professional seafarers and what I'm about to say has sod all to do with the QE but:
When I used to volunteer on the SS Shieldhall (1950s ex-Glasgow 'sludge boat' built to a 1920s design, now preserved in Southampton, largest twin-screw steamship still in seagoing condition yadda yadda) there was one time when we went aboard the day before the first sailing of the season and the ship was essentially 'dead'. She was plugged into shore power so there was lighting, there was gas for the galley stove and there was power to the fire/smoke detectors and the automatic electric bilge pumps but essentially nothing else - most of the circuit breakers had been pulled on the main switchboard. The boilers were cold and the engine room was completely still - it was so quiet that you could hear the waves slapping against the hull, trickling water in the bilges, the mooring lines creaking, the fenders gently clanking against the side and a dropped bolt or ball bearing rolling around under the floor plates if the ship moved a bit.
It took about 11 hours to raise steam and bring the ship from 'cold and dark' to full operational condition. It's very satisfying to work to get from a lifeless (and it does feel eerily lifeless when you're surrounded by motionless steam engines and boilers with about 20 tons of cold water in them apiece) collection of machinery to a noisy, hot, hissing, oil-dripping system with the circulating pumps, dynamo, feed pump, fuel pumps and blower fan all ticking away.
Nice post, thanks for that. When I used to volunteer on the SS Shieldhall (1950s ex-Glasgow 'sludge boat' built to a 1920s design, now preserved in Southampton, largest twin-screw steamship still in seagoing condition yadda yadda) there was one time when we went aboard the day before the first sailing of the season and the ship was essentially 'dead'. She was plugged into shore power so there was lighting, there was gas for the galley stove and there was power to the fire/smoke detectors and the automatic electric bilge pumps but essentially nothing else - most of the circuit breakers had been pulled on the main switchboard. The boilers were cold and the engine room was completely still - it was so quiet that you could hear the waves slapping against the hull, trickling water in the bilges, the mooring lines creaking, the fenders gently clanking against the side and a dropped bolt or ball bearing rolling around under the floor plates if the ship moved a bit.
It took about 11 hours to raise steam and bring the ship from 'cold and dark' to full operational condition. It's very satisfying to work to get from a lifeless (and it does feel eerily lifeless when you're surrounded by motionless steam engines and boilers with about 20 tons of cold water in them apiece) collection of machinery to a noisy, hot, hissing, oil-dripping system with the circulating pumps, dynamo, feed pump, fuel pumps and blower fan all ticking away.
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