HMS Queen Elizabeth

[Condi]

98elise said:

It's unlikely the guns were loaded. You don't load unless you expect to shoot.

You would think that with people of unknown origin or interest about 100m either side of the ship it would be fully armed "just in case"? Surely the most risky part of the voyage is when close into shore.

[TTmonkey]

I see the type 45 is broken and has returned to a friendly port.

[98elise]

Condi said:

98elise said:

It's unlikely the guns were loaded. You don't load unless you expect to shoot.

You would think that with people of unknown origin or interest about 100m either side of the ship it would be fully armed "just in case"? Surely the most risky part of the voyage is when close into shore.

I've been through multiple times on warships, and at no point did we have anything above small arms loaded.

[98elise]

Talksteer said:

98elise said:

Talksteer said:

Seight_Returns said:

Piginapoke said:

I'm surprised that so many planes were on deck given its a harsh environment. Do they all fit in the hangers?

I was surprised to see F35s on deck whilst the group was transiting the canal too. There's fairly recent history of militant groups making RPG attacks on shipping in the canal - which could make a real mess of an F35 with a £100 million unit cost - even if the subsequent life expectancy of said militant was very short.

I guess they're sending a message that they're sufficiently confident that they can sanitise the area around the transiting ships to negate such a threat.

HMS Ocean transited the canal on it's fly on the wall TV series they noted that it's 30mm guns were live when it did.

They were using the thermal sights to sweep the banks but the gun barrels were not slaved to the sights as pointing the barrel was "aggressive". Obviously if they wanted to point the guns that could be achieved in less than a second.

The 20mm CIWS systems also have a thermal sight to allow them to engage ground targets.

It's unlikely the guns were loaded. You don't load unless you expect to shoot.

HMS Defender goes through canal, see one minute in, those machine guns aren't loaded with blanks!

https://youtu.be/zumPNY8Acos?t=63

That not Oerlikons or Phalanx.

Things may have changed since I served but cannons were not loaded unless you expected to shoot. Infact we were not even allowed to run through daily checks in the canal which would have meant the guns moving under power.

As I say though, things may have changed.

[eharding]

98elise said:

Talksteer said:

98elise said:

Talksteer said:

Seight_Returns said:

Piginapoke said:

I'm surprised that so many planes were on deck given its a harsh environment. Do they all fit in the hangers?

I was surprised to see F35s on deck whilst the group was transiting the canal too. There's fairly recent history of militant groups making RPG attacks on shipping in the canal - which could make a real mess of an F35 with a £100 million unit cost - even if the subsequent life expectancy of said militant was very short.

I guess they're sending a message that they're sufficiently confident that they can sanitise the area around the transiting ships to negate such a threat.

HMS Ocean transited the canal on it's fly on the wall TV series they noted that it's 30mm guns were live when it did.

They were using the thermal sights to sweep the banks but the gun barrels were not slaved to the sights as pointing the barrel was "aggressive". Obviously if they wanted to point the guns that could be achieved in less than a second.

The 20mm CIWS systems also have a thermal sight to allow them to engage ground targets.

It's unlikely the guns were loaded. You don't load unless you expect to shoot.

HMS Defender goes through canal, see one minute in, those machine guns aren't loaded with blanks!

https://youtu.be/zumPNY8Acos?t=63

That not Oerlikons or Phalanx.

Things may have changed since I served but cannons were not loaded unless you expected to shoot. Infact we were not even allowed to run through daily checks in the canal which would have meant the guns moving under power.

As I say though, things may have changed.

Would that machine gun be classified as 'small arms' then? Fair enough - the septics probably denote the .50 BMG as the same (and probably eligible for concealed carry in certain states).

[98elise]

eharding said:

98elise said:

Talksteer said:

98elise said:

Talksteer said:

Seight_Returns said:

Piginapoke said:

I'm surprised that so many planes were on deck given its a harsh environment. Do they all fit in the hangers?

I was surprised to see F35s on deck whilst the group was transiting the canal too. There's fairly recent history of militant groups making RPG attacks on shipping in the canal - which could make a real mess of an F35 with a £100 million unit cost - even if the subsequent life expectancy of said militant was very short.

I guess they're sending a message that they're sufficiently confident that they can sanitise the area around the transiting ships to negate such a threat.

HMS Ocean transited the canal on it's fly on the wall TV series they noted that it's 30mm guns were live when it did.

They were using the thermal sights to sweep the banks but the gun barrels were not slaved to the sights as pointing the barrel was "aggressive". Obviously if they wanted to point the guns that could be achieved in less than a second.

The 20mm CIWS systems also have a thermal sight to allow them to engage ground targets.

It's unlikely the guns were loaded. You don't load unless you expect to shoot.

HMS Defender goes through canal, see one minute in, those machine guns aren't loaded with blanks!

https://youtu.be/zumPNY8Acos?t=63

That not Oerlikons or Phalanx.

Things may have changed since I served but cannons were not loaded unless you expected to shoot. Infact we were not even allowed to run through daily checks in the canal which would have meant the guns moving under power.

As I say though, things may have changed.

Would that machine gun be classified as 'small arms' then? Fair enough - the septics probably denote the .50 BMG as the same (and probably eligible for concealed carry in certain states).

On board they would come under the small arms section, but technically they would be classed as a light weapon rather than small arms (portable/personal weapon).

The US might class things differently.

[saaby93]

Was this the thread with the false tracks



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https://skytruth.org/2021/07/systematic-data-analy...

[anonymous-user]

saaby93 said:

Teddy Lop said:

Skyrocket21 said:

When the Astute submarine goes through with them, the Suez canal being 24 metres deep does it go through partially submerged i.e just the or just fully exposed?

Sneak through without paying the toll surely?

Doesnt QE2 have a submarine bay?

Surely it’s QE3?

[Seight_Returns]

Do warships have a local pilot onboard when transiting the canal like merchant ships do ?

[fiatpower]

Seight_Returns said:

Do warships have a local pilot onboard when transiting the canal like merchant ships do ?

I believe they do. I recall watching a program on channel 5 recently where they transited the Bosphorus strait with a pilot on board. He made suggestions on the course to take but the captain had final call on what course they take.

[98elise]

Seight_Returns said:

Do warships have a local pilot onboard when transiting the canal like merchant ships do ?

Pilots come on board whenever necessary.

[clarky92]

Bit of a side question - how do you find out ahead of time when one of the aircraft carriers/ type 45’s/ frigates is either coming in or out of Portsmouth? For example POW departed Portsmouth today and I would love to travel down one day and watch, is there any advance notification available?

[anonymous-user]

I could tell you, but I’d have to kill you…

Alternatively the RN post info here for the follow 48 hours https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/qhm/portsmouth/shippi...

Twitter is probably your best bet though, I’m not sure what the best accounts are but Pompey harbour must have one, as will local spotters

[Condi]

pablo said:

Alternatively the RN post info here for the follow 48 hours https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/qhm/portsmouth/shippi...

Just so the Russians can get a sub in place to listen to the sound signatures?

[L_G]

Condi said:

pablo said:

Alternatively the RN post info here for the follow 48 hours https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/qhm/portsmouth/shippi...

Just so the Russians can get a sub in place to listen to the sound signatures?

I'd suggest the opportunities for getting a submarine into "lake" Solent are quite limited.

[clarky92]

pablo said:

I could tell you, but I’d have to kill you…

Alternatively the RN post info here for the follow 48 hours https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/qhm/portsmouth/shippi...

Twitter is probably your best bet though, I’m not sure what the best accounts are but Pompey harbour must have one, as will local spotters

Thanks, I've joined a few fb groups and followed groups on twitter.

[hidetheelephants]

L_G said:

Condi said:

pablo said:

Alternatively the RN post info here for the follow 48 hours https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/qhm/portsmouth/shippi...

Just so the Russians can get a sub in place to listen to the sound signatures?

I'd suggest the opportunities for getting a submarine into "lake" Solent are quite limited.

Unless it's a midget sub/chariot/etc or they come in surfaced and disguised as a Wightlink ferry they're going to come as big a cropper as the Höegh Osaka.

[Cold]

Just be aware that all RN shipping movements in and out of port are subject to change, cancellation or sometimes complete surprise to us, the public.

It's rare that you'll get more than a few days notice of harbour entry or exit, simply due to the nature of the ships.

[Seight_Returns]

hidetheelephants said:

L_G said:

Condi said:

pablo said:

Alternatively the RN post info here for the follow 48 hours https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/qhm/portsmouth/shippi...

Just so the Russians can get a sub in place to listen to the sound signatures?

I'd suggest the opportunities for getting a submarine into "lake" Solent are quite limited.

Unless it's a midget sub/chariot/etc or they come in surfaced and disguised as a Wightlink ferry they're going to come as big a cropper as the Höegh Osaka.

Or just leave the Akula in the garage and sit outside the Still And West with a beer whilst dangling the hydophone over the sea wall .....

[98elise]

Seight_Returns said:

hidetheelephants said:

L_G said:

Condi said:

pablo said:

Alternatively the RN post info here for the follow 48 hours https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/qhm/portsmouth/shippi...

Just so the Russians can get a sub in place to listen to the sound signatures?

I'd suggest the opportunities for getting a submarine into "lake" Solent are quite limited.

Unless it's a midget sub/chariot/etc or they come in surfaced and disguised as a Wightlink ferry they're going to come as big a cropper as the Höegh Osaka.

Or just leave the Akula in the garage and sit outside the Still And West with a beer whilst dangling the hydophone over the sea wall .....

They've known what it sounds like since it started sea trials. Subs are stealthy, and passive sonar can hear over long distances.