HMS Queen Elizabeth
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/qeclasscarriers/81346...
Its a pretty big chunk of metal and about 1/5th of the whole ship.
http://www.shipais.com/gmap2.php
Follow BB troll if you want to see its progress on what seems to be a UK tour as it makes its way to the otherside of scotland by heading south first.
Its a pretty big chunk of metal and about 1/5th of the whole ship.
http://www.shipais.com/gmap2.php
Follow BB troll if you want to see its progress on what seems to be a UK tour as it makes its way to the otherside of scotland by heading south first.
hidetheelephants said:
The deck area of the AMT Trader is 36m x 120m(100' x 400'), so the block is fairly big; I this is a 'those are small, these are far away' issue. 
Strange, I've worked offshore 20 years and have a pretty good idea of scale, as per the tub boat in the foreground. Must be the height between decks that threw me off. 
Now this looks big.
King Herald said:
Now this looks big.
It'll look even bigger when the 270-foot (?) wide runway is perched on top.HMNB Pompey is scheduling demolition of several buildings adjacent to the carrier's intended berth as they're regarded as potential collision points with the deck overhang.
We're involved with decommissioning various services in that vicinity; the only thing the carrier will need is a telephone line, everything else (power, fresh water, fire water, sewage etc.) is onboard. There will be mains electricity and sewage but technically the ship doesn't 'need' either.
doogz said:
The height between decks is of course the same in both pictures 
You're right though, I don't think LB04 looks that big in those pictures, but when I was standing under it in the SBOH a fortnight ago, it looked pretty big!
But they are not the standard household 8 foot ceilings are they.....You're right though, I don't think LB04 looks that big in those pictures, but when I was standing under it in the SBOH a fortnight ago, it looked pretty big!
I'd venture more like 20 feet.
One of the new PGS 'Ramform' seismic vessels is reputed to be 70 metres wide across the stern, and a sort of triangular shape. I'd dread to think how far they'd need to travel for dry-docks.
King Herald said:
doogz said:
The height between decks is of course the same in both pictures
You're right though, I don't think LB04 looks that big in those pictures, but when I was standing under it in the SBOH a fortnight ago, it looked pretty big!
But they are not the standard household 8 foot ceilings are they.....You're right though, I don't think LB04 looks that big in those pictures, but when I was standing under it in the SBOH a fortnight ago, it looked pretty big!
I'd venture more like 20 feet.
One of the new PGS 'Ramform' seismic vessels is reputed to be 70 metres wide across the stern, and a sort of triangular shape. I'd dread to think how far they'd need to travel for dry-docks.
King Herald said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQKjj_FDI_M
doogz said:
That's what ships look like inside.
Warships anyway. Last time I was on a ferry, the scantlings looked worryingly small. Obviously not designed for the same sort of loads. Don't see many ferries with 50mm thick bulkheads!
I once worked on a Russian seismic ship. Built during the cold war, all ships had to be built to military spec, which meant double thick hulls, separate isolated fuel tanks, and a nuclear wash down system all around the upper superstructure. The ribs in the hulk were 50cm apart, instead of the usual 1 metre for most ships of that size. Nearly all internals doors were water tight bulkhead type. Warships anyway. Last time I was on a ferry, the scantlings looked worryingly small. Obviously not designed for the same sort of loads. Don't see many ferries with 50mm thick bulkheads!
Due to overcrowding I had to live in the hospital, which was the only cabin on the ship with a bath tub. And boy, it was a hell of a bath tub.
Nothing better than a red hot bath in rusty brown water every evening after work. tuffer said:
Is it me or does the QE just look like a s
t load of ISO containers welded together? Maybe it's just a ploy by the Govt to fool the Chinese into thinking we have a Navy.
I believe that's the current method of producing a ship capable of taking hits, back in the day it was all about armour but modern torpedoes are more then capable of ripping a old school heavy armoured ship to shreds so now its lots of small compartments designed to act as a crumple zone and absorb the energy without letting water fill 1/3rd of the ship. Slightly stronger and thicker metal then your standard ISO should last quite a while.t load of ISO containers welded together? Maybe it's just a ploy by the Govt to fool the Chinese into thinking we have a Navy.You either create a ship with 2 metre thick hull and hope to keep all of a torpedo hit outside or lots of small boxes to absorb it without compromising the ship as a whole. Although what is a concern is that there was originally going to be extra armour for the hanger and munitions areas which was dropped for budget reasons so a missile punching through to the right area could end very badly.
Would be happier if the outer skin was thicker though, the invincible's were fairly thin skinned and had some issues with light knocks puncturing through.
tuffer said:
Could they use Chobham armour same as on the tanks?
Possibly but I would expect costs reasons would limit its use to very specific areas, also worth noting that 'chobham' armour is now a fairly generic term for ceramic armours with challenger 2's running the uber secret 'Dorchester Level 2' armour.With the turbines located quite high and to the side of the ship under the islands I would personally put some ceramic armour between the turbine and the hull for added missile defence of the main movers.
I remember reading about kevlar packs for the islands and sheets for various areas but the same report implied that most of the extra bolt on internal defences had been scrapped to save a few quid. Don't think we will ever know exactly and I would expect / hope that any cancelled extra armour gets put back in once / if the economy sorts itself out.
LB04 is currently making its way through the English channel with pretty good pace too so with a bit of luck may see it in the same dock as the rest of the ship in a few days.
LB04 is currently making its way through the English channel with pretty good pace too so with a bit of luck may see it in the same dock as the rest of the ship in a few days.
Yep they will take the shorter route north if the weather is good enough, if not then around south for a more scenic tour.
http://www.shipais.com/gmap2.php
Follow BB Troll to see LB04's progress.
http://www.shipais.com/gmap2.php
Follow BB Troll to see LB04's progress.
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