Sir Ben & the Americas Cup
Discussion
FiF said:
Gandahar said:
Good points. He is still a newbouy as well 
Not sure quite they have 6 people on board. Given the high tech nature of the event they should be aiming for 1. Motor racing went from a driver and an engineer to just a driver a long time back.
But racing cars have an engine, where do you think they get the power to control the foils , wings (sails) etc.Not sure quite they have 6 people on board. Given the high tech nature of the event they should be aiming for 1. Motor racing went from a driver and an engineer to just a driver a long time back.
In motor racing you still have the engineer giving advice and tactics through the radio, here the tactician is on board. 4 of the crew are grinders plus other tasks, they provide hydraulic power for the controls. In a tack, two cross over to other side, the remaining two increase their output temporarily until the other two come back on stream. Then they too cross over making various manual adjustments on the way as required. Yacht racing, no engines, no outside assistance, That's why they have more than 1.
Of course you can gave singlehander match racing, but it's in the likes of Lasers and Finns.
Hydraulic power for the controls sounds quaint. How many men did they have providing that at the start of the Americas cup? There is a certain direction of man in the past and technology now.
There's only one way, lose the human ballast who can also screw up.
Gandahar said:
My point exactly, it seems to be down to trimming than power. And a computer can always trim something better than a human, as long as it has enough power through batteries that do not weigh too much.
Hydraulic power for the controls sounds quaint. How many men did they have providing that at the start of the Americas cup.
There's only one way, lose the human ballast who can also screw up.
Can a computer spot the windshifts?Hydraulic power for the controls sounds quaint. How many men did they have providing that at the start of the Americas cup.
There's only one way, lose the human ballast who can also screw up.
're how many crew on a J class.
This is not being reactionary but thank God you're not in charge of where yacht racing is going.
Gandahar said:
FiF said:
Gandahar said:
Good points. He is still a newbouy as well
Not sure quite they have 6 people on board. Given the high tech nature of the event they should be aiming for 1. Motor racing went from a driver and an engineer to just a driver a long time back.
But racing cars have an engine, where do you think they get the power to control the foils , wings (sails) etc.Not sure quite they have 6 people on board. Given the high tech nature of the event they should be aiming for 1. Motor racing went from a driver and an engineer to just a driver a long time back.
In motor racing you still have the engineer giving advice and tactics through the radio, here the tactician is on board. 4 of the crew are grinders plus other tasks, they provide hydraulic power for the controls. In a tack, two cross over to other side, the remaining two increase their output temporarily until the other two come back on stream. Then they too cross over making various manual adjustments on the way as required. Yacht racing, no engines, no outside assistance, That's why they have more than 1.
Of course you can gave singlehander match racing, but it's in the likes of Lasers and Finns.
Hydraulic power for the controls sounds quaint. How many men did they have providing that at the start of the Americas cup? There is a certain direction of man in the past and technology now.
There's only one way, lose the human ballast who can also screw up.
schmalex said:
our last Americas Cup challenge was 1987 with DeSavery's Lionheart campaign ended pretty disastrously
'87 was Graham Walker's White Crusader. Lionheart was in '83. Neither were particularly remarkable, though I think the biggest lost opportunity was choosing not to race the rather more radical Crusader II in Perth.
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klootzak said:
schmalex said:
our last Americas Cup challenge was 1987 with DeSavery's Lionheart campaign ended pretty disastrously
'87 was Graham Walker's White Crusader. Lionheart was in '83. Neither were particularly remarkable, though I think the biggest lost opportunity was choosing not to race the rather more radical Crusader II in Perth.
k
Crusader II was interesting - drawn by the outstanding RC model yacht designer of the time Dave Hollom.
Painthead said:
I think they will sign it - once they've had it amended the way they want,
Yeah, naahh.It's not really a question of them signing it. It doesn't exist any more.
The “framework” is/was Oracle’s creation and structured to favour them and their worldview. The moment TNZ won, it expired (effectively).
TNZ may choose to incorporate some elements of Oracle’s framework in a future proposal to challengers (Grant Dalton has already said they likely would), but whatever they create will be an entirely new arrangement.
Defence frequency, boat type, wind limits, ability for the defender to compete in the challenger series and crew nationality qualification have all been raised as potential points of change. As has the relationship between the AC proper and the AC world series.
Whatever happens, it’ll be fun though.
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AnotherClarkey said:
Lionheart was 1980. 1983 was Victory '83.
Crusader II was interesting - drawn by the outstanding RC model yacht designer of the time Dave Hollom.
Haha, trivia trumped. Touché Crusader II was interesting - drawn by the outstanding RC model yacht designer of the time Dave Hollom.
CII was definitely interesting, but they never gave it much of a chance. If they'd put as much effort into developing it as they did into rebuilding Crusader it could have been a lot faster.
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Just watching the races again.
Oh Artemis, you had the measure of the Kiwis on the starts, got good boat speed, too many mistakes.
Two early over the start line by Spithill, one on race 1 was close but race 5 was ridiculous.
Still boggling at 40 knots of boat speed in lower end of force 3.
Oh Artemis, you had the measure of the Kiwis on the starts, got good boat speed, too many mistakes.
Two early over the start line by Spithill, one on race 1 was close but race 5 was ridiculous.
Still boggling at 40 knots of boat speed in lower end of force 3.
I can't remember a single pre-start that Burling won.
He knew he had a fast boat under him, so always looked to keep out of trouble as the 2 boat lengths of vmg penalty in the event of an infringement is too much to carry. Very smart sailing IMO.
The Kiwis are looking to remove the paywall at the next AC. I really hope they do as, even as a highly competitive racer, I won't pay to way to watch AC sailing. If someone like me who mnows half the crews won't, what hope have they got to attract the average Joe..?
Listening to rumblings about the F1 paywall, I wonder if we're reaching a watershed where any "minority" sport (rugby / hockey / sailing / motor racing etc has to go back to free to air to give the sponsors sufficient ROI to be interested. Just because major sports like American Football / Baseball / Football etc can command a paywall doesn't mean that all sports can...
He knew he had a fast boat under him, so always looked to keep out of trouble as the 2 boat lengths of vmg penalty in the event of an infringement is too much to carry. Very smart sailing IMO.
The Kiwis are looking to remove the paywall at the next AC. I really hope they do as, even as a highly competitive racer, I won't pay to way to watch AC sailing. If someone like me who mnows half the crews won't, what hope have they got to attract the average Joe..?
Listening to rumblings about the F1 paywall, I wonder if we're reaching a watershed where any "minority" sport (rugby / hockey / sailing / motor racing etc has to go back to free to air to give the sponsors sufficient ROI to be interested. Just because major sports like American Football / Baseball / Football etc can command a paywall doesn't mean that all sports can...
Burwood said:
This is the precise location 'Auckland Viaduct'. Full of bars and restaurants, and boats. 2 hours from here I was catching Yellowfin and striped marlin. 20 mins from here the best tasting white fish (like a giant sea bream). Free dive for scallops in the harbour. Special place.
Viaduct Basin's an awesome place. 5 mins stroll from the centre of Auckland and loads of AC history. And some great bars...Burling was under instruction to underperform in the starts during the round robin and challenger finals so as to not reveal the boat's agility and to lull Spithall into a false sense of security.
Olympic 49er gold medalist in Rio, foiling Moth world champion, undefeated in 27 intenational regattas over the past four years - he's no mug. Matteo de Nora asked him to throttle back & not be impetuous in his starts which he could comfortably do knowing they had the boat speed to pass.
Olympic 49er gold medalist in Rio, foiling Moth world champion, undefeated in 27 intenational regattas over the past four years - he's no mug. Matteo de Nora asked him to throttle back & not be impetuous in his starts which he could comfortably do knowing they had the boat speed to pass.
Burwood said:
Smalex you from NZ? I was seconded here in my 20s. Went back in 2006 for a few years when I got married.
No. My work has taken me me to SE Asia, NZ and Aus every few weeks for the past 10 years or so, so I know the region pretty well. I found particular affinity with Auckland as I've sailed race boats to a pretty competitive international level since I was about 14. For me, Auckland and, in particular, Viaduct is the centre of it all.
schmalex said:
Burwood said:
Smalex you from NZ? I was seconded here in my 20s. Went back in 2006 for a few years when I got married.
No. My work has taken me me to SE Asia, NZ and Aus every few weeks for the past 10 years or so, so I know the region pretty well. I found particular affinity with Auckland as I've sailed race boats to a pretty competitive international level since I was about 14. For me, Auckland and, in particular, Viaduct is the centre of it all.
Edited by Burwood on Saturday 1st July 16:00
Penguinracer said:
Burling was under instruction to underperform in the starts during the round robin and challenger finals so as to not reveal the boat's agility and to lull Spithall into a false sense of security.
Olympic 49er gold medalist in Rio, foiling Moth world champion, undefeated in 27 intenational regattas over the past four years - he's no mug. Matteo de Nora asked him to throttle back & not be impetuous in his starts which he could comfortably do knowing they had the boat speed to pass.
Can believe that, on the other hand, in the two challenger final races where Artemis didn't make a daft mistake, they Emirates didn't have the boat speed to get the lead.Olympic 49er gold medalist in Rio, foiling Moth world champion, undefeated in 27 intenational regattas over the past four years - he's no mug. Matteo de Nora asked him to throttle back & not be impetuous in his starts which he could comfortably do knowing they had the boat speed to pass.
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