Sir Ben & the Americas Cup
Discussion
El stovey said:
AlexS said:
El stovey said:
Is it on at a set U.K. time?
Seems like it’s difficult to have a time when most U.K. viewers have seen it as it’s on YouTube etc and people all watch it at completely different times.
It's shown live at 2am and then with full repeats at 9am and 10pm.Seems like it’s difficult to have a time when most U.K. viewers have seen it as it’s on YouTube etc and people all watch it at completely different times.
Otherwise we’re always going to be a day behind?
Anyway, Kiwi supporting Kiwi here!
Tyre Smoke said:
El stovey said:
AlexS said:
El stovey said:
Is it on at a set U.K. time?
Seems like it’s difficult to have a time when most U.K. viewers have seen it as it’s on YouTube etc and people all watch it at completely different times.
It's shown live at 2am and then with full repeats at 9am and 10pm.Seems like it’s difficult to have a time when most U.K. viewers have seen it as it’s on YouTube etc and people all watch it at completely different times.
Otherwise we’re always going to be a day behind?
Anyway, Kiwi supporting Kiwi here!
AnotherClarkey said:
El stovey said:
Cheers, since it’s going on for months, shall we agree not to discuss each day till after the morning repeat?
Otherwise we’re always going to be a day behind?
There is a risk that the UK boat will not have crossed the finish line in that timescale.Otherwise we’re always going to be a day behind?
dukeboy749r said:
Asking as sailing novice. Sir Ben has a deservedly high Olympic legacy, but has that translated into ‘bigger boat’ racing success?
To lose all your races is surely not reflective of the calibre of the crew and investment made. So what are the reasons?
The boat basically isn’t working very well, I think it’s to do with low speed handling and the foil design (the wing looking bit in the water) To lose all your races is surely not reflective of the calibre of the crew and investment made. So what are the reasons?
In a straight line at speed, it seems to be doing ok
There’s an issue though as you’re only allowed a set amount of foils and they take ages to design and make.
El stovey said:
The boat basically isn’t working very well, I think it’s to do with low speed handling and the foil design (the wing looking bit in the water)
In a straight line at speed, it seems to be doing ok
There’s an issue though as you’re only allowed a set amount of foils and they take ages to design and make.
Isn’t the foil the same for all teams? In a straight line at speed, it seems to be doing ok
There’s an issue though as you’re only allowed a set amount of foils and they take ages to design and make.
dukeboy749r said:
Asking as sailing novice. Sir Ben has a deservedly high Olympic legacy, but has that translated into ‘bigger boat’ racing success?
To lose all your races is surely not reflective of the calibre of the crew and investment made. So what are the reasons?
He has had considerable success in the America's Cup with Oracle in a tactician role but gossip suggests that he is not best suited to managing a team of this size (and why should he be, you can't be good at everything). The boat does seem to be a bit of a dog (or at least some important elements of it are, possibly foils, possibly rig) and it looks like lack of performance makes it difficult to handle/race. It may be this that is the most important factor since they are running out of time on the water to gain experience in basic boat handling while the other teams move into a 'finessing ' stage.To lose all your races is surely not reflective of the calibre of the crew and investment made. So what are the reasons?
All the crowing about getting F1 designers and engineers on the team rings a bit hollow when New Zealand have used their best hydrofoil racing yacht designers.
ecsrobin said:
ben5575 said:
ecsrobin said:
Isn’t the foil the same for all teams?
No. The foils are all bespoke (within parameters), but the arms holding them are standard. Along with hydraulics etc that lift them iirc.It's been suggested that the UK boat's wings need more speed to generate lift hence them belly flopping into the water today and not being able to get back up onto the foil. Unfortunately they've already gone through all 6 of their allowable foils.
Tyre Smoke said:
That's because we've seen Brendan Hartley in an F1 car. 
The WEC is hardly F1 but maybe he can progress to get a seat in the track version competing with the big boys, if he's good enough?NZ, I predict, will win the Xmas challenge tomorrow, but let's see who are on the mark when the 'real' AC begins next year!
Ayahuasca said:
Disappointing that the UK boat is so far off the pace.
It had flashes of being almost adequate on day 2 but if they spend all their time in the shed trying to improve it they will lose time on the water actually learning to sail it properly. They seem particularly nervous coming out of tacks and gybes, losing lots of ground while they settle the boat on the foils - and, given the penalty for splashing down I can see why.The other teams seem more able to fling the boat around and establish it on the best course to the mark straight away.
Edited by AnotherClarkey on Saturday 19th December 19:32
pequod said:
Tyre Smoke said:
That's because we've seen Brendan Hartley in an F1 car.
The WEC is hardly F1 but maybe he can progress to get a seat in the track version competing with the big boys, if he's good enough?NZ, I predict, will win the Xmas challenge tomorrow, but let's see who are on the mark when the 'real' AC begins next year!
Us Kiwis do sheep, rugby, beer and Americas Cup racing rather well. F1 not so much.
Ngā mihi old man!
AnotherClarkey said:
Ayahuasca said:
Disappointing that the UK boat is so far off the pace.
It had flashes of being almost adequate on day 2 but if they spend all their time in the shed trying to improve it they will lose time on the water actually learning to sail it properly. They seem particularly nervous coming out of tacks and gybes, losing lots of ground while they settle the boat on the foils - and, given the penalty for splashing down I can see why.The other teams seem more able to fling the boat around and establish it on the best course to the mark straight away.
They’ve actually had some great starts and been ahead for a few meters.
I look forwards to catching up on last nights action.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 20th December 07:50
dukeboy749r said:
Asking as sailing novice. Sir Ben has a deservedly high Olympic legacy, but has that translated into ‘bigger boat’ racing success?
To lose all your races is surely not reflective of the calibre of the crew and investment made. So what are the reasons?
IMHO Sir Ben is amongst the finest single handed sailors out there. But sailing in a single hander requires a subtly different toolkit to one where you're sailing with more than one person. With a single hander you are your own master and the only thing that you have to do is to move as quickly as possible through the water. Get it right and you've won. Get it wrong and you've lost. As soon as you add one or more people to the mix, then management and leadership become an important factor and I'm not sure that Sir Ben can do that particularly well. If you listen to the commentary from the other boats there tends to be more praise, more interaction and more feedback. From what I've heard (youtube so could be selectively edited) the Ineos team just don't seem to be working together.To lose all your races is surely not reflective of the calibre of the crew and investment made. So what are the reasons?
As to the hull, it's not a design that I would have gone for. From some angles it appears to be an attempt to have an inverted wing. What's the point in trying to push the hull down in the water when the dry weight is 70 tons? All you're doing is potentially increasing your wetted surface area which equates to more drag.
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