Sir Ben & the Americas Cup

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Leithen

10,909 posts

267 months

Tuesday 16th March 2021
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Just remains to be seen if NZ will falter at the last hurdle....

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 16th March 2021
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Tyre Smoke said:
Mr Spithill is drinking in the Last Chance Saloon.

I'm ironing my ETNZ polo shirt to wear....just don't know quite when that will be. biggrin
https://www.redbull.com/gb-en/jimmy-spithill-sailing-inspired-by

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 16th March 2021
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Leithen said:
Just remains to be seen if NZ will falter at the last hurdle....
Again

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

261 months

Tuesday 16th March 2021
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Heretics!

hehe

rdjohn

6,185 posts

195 months

Tuesday 16th March 2021
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Ayahuasca said:
rdjohn said:
As an unbiassed observer, i feel that if a lead greater than 1km occurs while one boat is off its foils then the race should be abandoned.

It will be a great pity if the series is decided by one unrepresentative race especially where both boats struggled because of very variable winds across the course.
No, each team takes its chances and sails the best race it can. Fluky winds have always been a part of sailing.
As an unbiased observer, this is the first time that foiling monohulls have been raced, so the rules needed to adapt accordingly. Yesterday’s race 7 was somewhat farcical for any spectator who simply wants to watch a close match race. Todays was the other extreme for being exciting.

A boat winning despite being off its foils for 4mins, seems unjust until the other crew spend 8mins off theirs. The fact that leg 6 had to be cancelled shows just how little wind there was out there. If you have a minimum race wind velocity, it needs to be closer to the minimum across the whole course for the duration of the match, rather than the clubhouse just before the start. Awarding repeated 50m penalties to a boat 4km behind, and dead in the water, demonstrates just how out-of-touch the rules are to such realities occurring within the race.

Far better to abandon the race, like today, it just heightens the tension for tomorrow.

FiF

44,097 posts

251 months

Tuesday 16th March 2021
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rdjohn said:
Ayahuasca said:
rdjohn said:
As an unbiassed observer, i feel that if a lead greater than 1km occurs while one boat is off its foils then the race should be abandoned.

It will be a great pity if the series is decided by one unrepresentative race especially where both boats struggled because of very variable winds across the course.
No, each team takes its chances and sails the best race it can. Fluky winds have always been a part of sailing.
As an unbiased observer, this is the first time that foiling monohulls have been raced, so the rules needed to adapt accordingly. Yesterday’s race 7 was somewhat farcical for any spectator who simply wants to watch a close match race. Todays was the other extreme for being exciting.

A boat winning despite being off its foils for 4mins, seems unjust until the other crew spend 8mins off theirs. The fact that leg 6 had to be cancelled shows just how little wind there was out there. If you have a minimum race wind velocity, it needs to be closer to the minimum across the whole course for the duration of the match, rather than the clubhouse just before the start. Awarding repeated 50m penalties to a boat 4km behind, and dead in the water, demonstrates just how out-of-touch the rules are to such realities occurring within the race.

Far better to abandon the race, like today, it just heightens the tension for tomorrow.
OK but that boat deliberately sailed outside the course when off the foils, the other one didn't. Now suppose that boat had got back on its foils by sailing outside the course, which is what it did, no penalty given because it's pointless as so far behind, only to find it now wins after the other boat had fallen into a hole in the wind at the other end?

There's an argument that the drop back 50m penalty is a bit daft but equally with these speeds making a 360° or 720° penalty would just finish the race. Bad burnt as scalded really.

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

261 months

Tuesday 16th March 2021
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Exactly. Similar to saying that once a Williams has been lapped twice by a race leader they have to retire. Only for a mass pile up five laps later and the Williams is the only finisher.

You can't fudge the rules because of light winds. The course boundaries are there for a reason, same as track limits in F1.


Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

279 months

Tuesday 16th March 2021
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How would it be without course boundaries? They could stop each other tacking and dash off toward the horizon, until one span around and hared back to the mark, they could chase each other around the islands and spectators. I think it would be great.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

279 months

Wednesday 17th March 2021
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Nice race, perfectly executed.

antipodes40

182 posts

46 months

Wednesday 17th March 2021
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Agreed. It would have been nice to have seen a couple of races in winds over 12 -15 knots.

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

261 months

Wednesday 17th March 2021
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Great race. Nothing else to add at this stage.

speedy_thrills

7,760 posts

243 months

Wednesday 17th March 2021
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To my very untrained eye there appear to be a couple of differences:
1. Size and use of foils appears very different between boats. I think TNZ are getting away with smaller, flat foils by allowing their boat to list in sharp turns. This appears to allow them reduce the amount of speed they lose in turns because they have two foils in the water for less time.
2. TNZ may also be using the shape of their boats upper hull to reduce the tendency of the boat to "crab" in turns to facilitate this. I think that's why they get forced into sailing at a less acute angle to the wind most of the time and consequently cover more distance at higher average speed.

The penalty, I'm sure, is that the TNZ boat is probably even more difficult to sail and has an even smaller window.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 17th March 2021
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Did the school run and sat down to see what happened last night, go on YouTube and day 7 isn’t on my to watch list like normal so search for America’s cup and there it is. . .



Irritating. hehe

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 17th March 08:36

rdjohn

6,185 posts

195 months

Wednesday 17th March 2021
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Yep, it happened to me also.

FiF

44,097 posts

251 months

Wednesday 17th March 2021
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Just when you really really need to nail that start...

Agreed would have liked to see the two best teams racing on a day when it was blowing with winds towards top end of scale.

Penguinracer

1,593 posts

206 months

Wednesday 17th March 2021
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The regatta was missing a high wind day - that would have added another dimension.

It'll now be interesting to see what event is scheduled next for these boats. They have to have a shorter term target
for this year's competitions or they'll risk a tiny field for the next cup.

Momentum is everything - there are precious few backers for an AC team, so the existing competitors need to remain involved & busy & hopefully a few new entrants get interested.

chrisga

2,089 posts

187 months

Wednesday 17th March 2021
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The Royal Yacht Squadron have just challenged NZ for the cup. Details to be worked out over the next days but NZ have accepted. Apparently.

Rumour had it they want it to be on the Isle of Wight next summer just between Ineos and TNZ but we'll see how much truth there was in that from a few days ago considering Ben Ainslie said he wanted the cup to be more inclusive previously.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

279 months

Wednesday 17th March 2021
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Great so Ineos possibly the COR.

I guess the current AC75’s are now effectively obsolete.

AlexS

1,552 posts

232 months

Wednesday 17th March 2021
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Rumours have been circulating for the last couple of weeks that UK/Ineos would be the next CoR if Emirates TNZ retained the cup and amongst the stories was the suggesting that they would retain the AC75s.

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

261 months

Wednesday 17th March 2021
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Bring it on.

Surely as we won, it's our choice where to defend?