Sir Ben & the Americas Cup
Discussion
Yep, aiui, the framework agreement is to try and establish some continuity, ie 2 yearly cycle, and reduce costs. In the past after the completion of a Cup, the future is uncertain as the terms and format of the next Cup event are down to agreement between the defender and the challenger. NZ strongly believe this is the way it should be, and there is concern that they might, for example, revert to a monohull contest. The agreement had tried to set some stability on boats going gorward and stop teams building AC45 boats as test mules.
IMO as much as monohull racing is fascinating the sheer spectacle of these massive foiling cats has captured public interest and that could be lost.
IMO as much as monohull racing is fascinating the sheer spectacle of these massive foiling cats has captured public interest and that could be lost.
Historically the first person to approach the winner after they've crossed the line [on their final winning run], challenges them.
The Winner and the official Challenger then together set/agree the rules, location and date of the next AC.
Look out after the last race for more than 1 boat dashing to 'greet' the winner as being the official Challenger gives you an opportunity of influencing the future rules to play to your strengths.
[NB. There's probably already been a bit of behind the scenes discussion where-by a team likely to win has pre-agreed with one of the other teams that if they were to become the official Challenger then they'd agree to say rule 'x' in return for rule 'y' etc.]
I was told on good authority some years back that NZ were keen to introduce a rule where-by teams had to be made up either exclusively, or with a high percentage of crew from that boat's country. This makes perfect sense to me, it plays to NZ's strength (and ours) and would be a disadvantage to Team USA and some others...
The Winner and the official Challenger then together set/agree the rules, location and date of the next AC.
Look out after the last race for more than 1 boat dashing to 'greet' the winner as being the official Challenger gives you an opportunity of influencing the future rules to play to your strengths.
[NB. There's probably already been a bit of behind the scenes discussion where-by a team likely to win has pre-agreed with one of the other teams that if they were to become the official Challenger then they'd agree to say rule 'x' in return for rule 'y' etc.]
I was told on good authority some years back that NZ were keen to introduce a rule where-by teams had to be made up either exclusively, or with a high percentage of crew from that boat's country. This makes perfect sense to me, it plays to NZ's strength (and ours) and would be a disadvantage to Team USA and some others...
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Silly question - Aesthetics I guess....
Why, when foiling are things not set so the hull is parallel with the water. It looks very ungainly cantered bow down (IMHO)
ETA : watching the midnight highlights - looks like NZ are spanking the Yanks
Kiwi skipper looks intense !
It's so that when the hulls are in the water the foils are presenting a small angle up. Helps them foil at a lower speed.Why, when foiling are things not set so the hull is parallel with the water. It looks very ungainly cantered bow down (IMHO)
ETA : watching the midnight highlights - looks like NZ are spanking the Yanks
Kiwi skipper looks intense !
Edited by Paddy_N_Murphy on Tuesday 20th June 00:13
As an aside the B52 fuselage isn't flat when cruising for the same reason.
Phud said:
I also heard that the trim helps the rudder foils, so the trim, nose down has a purpose to it.
Still amazing to watch, am curious what Oracle have done but the hulls seem faster than prior to the break.
Commentary was saying they have 'copied' the design/shape of the Kiwi foil and the kiwi rudder shape.Still amazing to watch, am curious what Oracle have done but the hulls seem faster than prior to the break.
Staggered to see them doing 34Knots with a wind speed of just 8Knot.
Steve
johnxjsc1985 said:
whatever they put in the water in NZ I would like some they are formidable competitors in all sports.
Effort and engagement from a very early age. Sport is utterly ingrained in the countries psyche. All blacks are worshipped as royalty.Kids do a lot of sports at school (after and weekends) and parents spend most of their time ferrying them about at weekends etc to various events. Plus general good access to facilitates. parents pay for this though as even with state schools there is quite a cost in addition for all this.
RobDickinson said:
Kids do a lot of sports at school (after and weekends) and parents spend most of their time ferrying them about at weekends etc to various events. Plus general good access to facilitates. parents pay for this though as even with state schools there is quite a cost in addition for all this.
My kids show no interest in sports whatsoever, so they are a bit of a disgrace to their country 
It's great for us, as it means we can sleep in on the weekends.
RobDickinson said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
whatever they put in the water in NZ I would like some they are formidable competitors in all sports.
Effort and engagement from a very early age. Sport is utterly ingrained in the countries psyche. All blacks are worshipped as royalty.Kids do a lot of sports at school (after and weekends) and parents spend most of their time ferrying them about at weekends etc to various events. Plus general good access to facilitates. parents pay for this though as even with state schools there is quite a cost in addition for all this.
If anyone gets in the water in such places as The Bay of Islands, you can begin to understand the countries love of the ocean. I miss it dearly
Edited to add, my oldest friends father who is 75 just purchased a yacht in the states. He sailed it back to Nz. It's in the blood for a lot of people.
Edited by Burwood on Monday 26th June 23:44
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