Aircraft down at Blackbushe?

[Eric Mc]

There are usually about three Phenoms based at Blackbushe.

[SydneyBridge]

hantsxlg said:

out of interest only, does anyone know the operational status of Blackbushe? There seemd to be no traffic over the weekend, and flight aware shows the only planned arrival as the crashed aircraft.

This makes me think the runway is closed whilst they investigate/recover the debris. But I can't find any 'official' updates.

it re-opened at 8am this morning

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33755716

[HoHoHo]

Simpo Two said:

Perhaps you should stop assuming things.

According to BBC news the Bin Laden family disowned Osama after The Sept 11th attacks, nothing mentioned yet again of a terrorist link.

I would suggest you think before you hit the keyboard and stop making wild accusations

[converted lurker]

He was too high, too fast and had too little margin in his Lading Distance Available. It's not complicated.

[ecsrobin]

converted lurker said:

He was too high, too fast and had too little margin in his Lading Distance Available. It's not complicated.

Are you the AAIB? 4 people have lost their lives and you go off like a shooting gun pointing blame like a member of PPRUNE or a BBC Aviation specialist. The PH boats, planes &a trains used to avoid all this inconsiderate speculation. Have some respect and keep your views to yourself.

[converted lurker]

Are you a moderator? Are you a professional pilot? Have you flown a biz jet?

If none of these qualifications apply to you then why should people not read my opinions but yours?


Speculation is not inconsiderate if it's not read by the grieving family and its informed and relevant. There's hard data out there which I've shared and my opinion on it is clear and reasonable. You're not the taste police nor the opinion controller.

Edited by converted lurker on Monday 3rd August 23:28

[ecsrobin]

converted lurker said:

Are you a moderator? Are you a professional pilot? Have you flown a biz jet?

If none of these qualifications apply to you then why should people not read my opinions but yours?


Speculation is not inconsiderate if it's not read by the grieving family and its informed and relevant. There's hard data out there which I've shared and my opinion on it is clear and reasonable. You're not the taste police nor the opinion controller.

Edited by converted lurker on Monday 3rd August 23:28

So PS how do you know the grieving families aren't on here? It's an open forum that anyone can have access to. It's already been mentioned that someone's friend is the gnat pilot in the other thread or as you prefer to call him "the dead guy" all it takes is "yeah they were talking about that on PH" and he'll be on there like a flash reading comments.

the thing is your not speculating you are stating. Speculating would be "I think it was pilot error because I know this this this and he did this this this last week" stating is "pilot error, his fault, total cock up" you don't know if he was working a Mechanical issue which caused the flying profile which your hard data suggests or did he have a medical issue. You can't just state something with a tiny bit of data and not the whole picture.

I may not be the taste police or the opinion Controller but if I find what your posting as offensive others are likely to share the same view so it is only right to self police is it not?

Edited by ecsrobin on Tuesday 4th August 00:16

[converted lurker]

If the grieving family are trawling the Internet discussion forums reading what is being said then they absolutely will find things being said which would be grossly offensive being said at the wake. But that is not a reasonable standard to expect the planet to be held to. I dislike the faux moist eyed tutt tutting grief monger img attitude gat some people like to adopt when discussing air accidents. You didn't know the guy from Adam and he could have been a miserable cocky tool for all you know.

When it's perfectly natural that everybody will wonder what appended and why I find it welcome to hear the thoughts of people with more insight than myself. That's what we expect to happen whenever we switch on a television news programme or pick up a newspaper or - these days - click on a discussion thread.

Pious calling to shut up and wait for over a year for the official report is requiring a standard online that the rest of the media are not held to. Certainly every pilot at work or in the pub this weekend has discussed this incident with fellow pilots in exactly the sort of terms I have here. They do not earnestly and in hushed tones suggest to one another "well let's just wait fir the AAIB report". The power of the web is that it puts you within earshot of thousands of such conversations. If you don't like what you hear then stop ear wigging.

I have said that I think the Gnat is too unforgiving and old to be safely used for high energy displays. It very well may be not pilot error but mechanical fault or freakish cause. That does not preclude people from considering some guy who got no further than Valley 14 years ago then went to be a banker as being not particularly experienced to display something with considerably more gotchas and flaws than say an F-16.

In the case of the Blackbushe over run I have shared some hard data and pointed out that the runway is marginal for commercial ops and that a poorly flown circuit ended in a deep landing. It's fact backed by eyewitness accounts and ADSB data and Is Being discussed online in great detail elsewhere. Yeah he could have been having a heart attack for all we know but that's not going to change the basic cause of the accident. Compared to what the media have pumped out on this the readers of this forum have received far better and accurate analysis than from any news bulletin or print article anywhere in the world.

Please learn to deal with other people's reasonably expressed views that ou don't like in some way other than calling for him to stop expressing them. You didn't know the dead guy and you have no right to be offended on behalf of his grieving widow.

Edited by converted lurker on Tuesday 4th August 02:34

[anonymous-user]

Converted lurker, I think the problem is what you're saying and how you're saying it.

[ecsrobin]

I see your attitude had not changed then from when you used to post on PPRUNE then Peter.

As for blackbushe and commercial Ops we have operated out of there numerous times without incident the limits our within our AOC so why shouldn't we use it?

[converted lurker]

Ah I see! You've got a vested interest in Blackbushe operations and don't like people publicly airing the fact that it's very short runway is potentially dangerous for the type of operations that go on there. I see.

Well it's just a good job there wasn't a dozen people stood in that car park then or else the public enquiry into the disaster would be putting an end to this sort of dubious aviation practice of gash single pilot jet flying into tin pot little airfields.

[Eric Mc]

How many jets have crashed at Blackbushe?

How many aircraft have overrun the runway?

[ecsrobin]

converted lurker said:

Ah I see! You've got a vested interest in Blackbushe operations and don't like people publicly airing the fact that it's very short runway is potentially dangerous for the type of operations that go on there. I see.

Well it's just a good job there wasn't a dozen people stood in that car park then or else the public enquiry into the disaster would be putting an end to this sort of dubious aviation practice of gash single pilot jet flying into tin pot little airfields.

Sadly for your argument I don't, so how did it feel getting a rejection letter from BA?

[converted lurker]

ecsrobin said:

I see your attitude had not changed then from when you used to post on PPRUNE then Peter.

As for blackbushe and commercial Ops we have operated out of there numerous times without incident the limits our within our AOC so why shouldn't we use it?

Oh, I took the we to mean you included.

My rejection from BA letter? I felt disappointed at the time but like all these things it actually turned out for the best in the end. It's not the happiest place to work!

[Boatbuoy]

CL's profile states his/her occupation as 'Boeing Driver'. I will, from now on, endeavour to only book non-Boeing flights to reduce my risk of ever encountering this self assured berk. An inability to accept that anyone else might have a valid point makes for an exceptionally dangerous character in my eyes.

[jamieduff1981]

converted lurker said:

Ah I see! You've got a vested interest in Blackbushe operations and don't like people publicly airing the fact that it's very short runway is potentially dangerous for the type of operations that go on there. I see.

Well it's just a good job there wasn't a dozen people stood in that car park then or else the public enquiry into the disaster would be putting an end to this sort of dubious aviation practice of gash single pilot jet flying into tin pot little airfields.

You sir have far too high an opinion of yourself and some pronounced communications skills shortcomings.

[converted lurker]

People - we have the airspeed and height data, operating manual and know the LDA. It's hardly controversial to say that it was a crap approach to a performance limited runway from which a simple go around should have been flown. If the excuse is pilot incap then that just highlights the idiocy of single pilot jet ops.

Backbushe is a lovely little airport and this incident is no reflection on them.

[Eric Mc]

Not "gash" then?

[onyx39]

converted lurker said:

If the excuse is pilot incap then that just highlights the idiocy of single pilot jet ops.

Not sure how you would plan for a freak event like a pilot being taken ill.
Are you saying on the basis of a single accident that single jet pilot op's should be stopped?

[yellowjack]

onyx39 said:

converted lurker said:

If the excuse is pilot incap then that just highlights the idiocy of single pilot jet ops.

Not sure how you would plan for a freak event like a pilot being taken ill.
Are you saying on the basis of a single accident that single jet pilot op's should be stopped?

Yes. That's why all the single seat Tranche 1 Typhoons are being retired from RAF service. The tranche 2 aircraft will all be dual control to correct the original oversight, dontcha know?