Crash at Shoreham Air show

[Simpo Two]

Robertj21a said:

SydneyBridge said:

I don't think there will ever be an air show at Shoreham again

Probably no bad thing. One less risk for the general public in the Shoreham area.

Hear hear. They should close the roads too, because lots of people are killed on the roads completely innocently.

[Robertj21a]

Simpo Two said:

Hear hear. They should close the roads too, because lots of people are killed on the roads completely innocently.

Yes, they're taking part as drivers/passengers in their vehicles, not to be included in events in which they have no intention of participating.

[tight5]

Caruso said:

nd they're planning to build an Ikea, 600 houses and a school on the flood plain right next to the airport.

Sounds like a good idea !

[RWD cossie wil]

Robertj21a said:

SydneyBridge said:

I don't think there will ever be an air show at Shoreham again

Probably no bad thing. One less risk for the general public in the Shoreham area.

People get killed & injured through no fault of their own all the time, banning the air show is a fruitless exercise.

[Robertj21a]

RWD cossie wil said:

People get killed & injured through no fault of their own all the time, banning the air show is a fruitless exercise.

Not to those who want to drive safely along the A27.

[RWD cossie wil]

Robertj21a said:

RWD cossie wil said:

People get killed & injured through no fault of their own all the time, banning the air show is a fruitless exercise.

Not to those who want to drive safely along the A27.

So what about drivers/pedestrians who get killed every day by other drivers? Should we ban driving just to be safe?

Shoreham was a terrible tragedy make no mistake, but the chances of being killed/injured at an air show or in the vicinity of are lottery chances small. You can't legislate against everything, as freak accidents are just that. How many aircraft pass above busy roads, city's, towns every day with no incidents?

[NDA]

Robertj21a said:

RWD cossie wil said:

People get killed & injured through no fault of their own all the time, banning the air show is a fruitless exercise.

Not to those who want to drive safely along the A27.

Not displaying over the A27 is the answer, surely? My son goes to school right by the crash site and could easily have been caught up in this, so I have some interest.

[RWD cossie wil]

NDA said:

Robertj21a said:

RWD cossie wil said:

People get killed & injured through no fault of their own all the time, banning the air show is a fruitless exercise.

Not to those who want to drive safely along the A27.

Not displaying over the A27 is the answer, surely? My son goes to school right by the crash site and could easily have been caught up in this, so I have some interest.

Virtually every airport in the world is going to overfly roads on the approach/takeoff.... Its just not realistic to prevent overflying of roads during a display. Obviously all safety measures are taken to ensure incidents like this don't happen, and if they do the damage is as minimal as possible.

[ecsrobin]

Robertj21a said:

Simpo Two said:

Hear hear. They should close the roads too, because lots of people are killed on the roads completely innocently.

Yes, they're taking part as drivers/passengers in their vehicles, not to be included in events in which they have no intention of participating.

Will someone think of the children in them cars being driven around by parents I'm sure they probably don't want to participate in the activity of driving around.

[ecsrobin]

RWD cossie wil said:

NDA said:

Robertj21a said:

RWD cossie wil said:

People get killed & injured through no fault of their own all the time, banning the air show is a fruitless exercise.

Not to those who want to drive safely along the A27.

Not displaying over the A27 is the answer, surely? My son goes to school right by the crash site and could easily have been caught up in this, so I have some interest.

Virtually every airport in the world is going to overfly roads on the approach/takeoff.... Its just not realistic to prevent overflying of roads during a display. Obviously all safety measures are taken to ensure incidents like this don't happen, and if they do the damage is as minimal as possible.

Planes do crash, they don't plan where and who they are going to crash into. For instance the police helicopter crash in Scotland, so do we ban police helicopters because one crashed into a road and building?

[zarjaz1991]

Nobody has 'banned' the airshow. The organisers don't want to run it at the moment.
They may, or may not, run it in the future.

Who could blame them if they didn't have the stomach for it now?

Not the same as a ban though. Others are free to organise airshows if they please, indeed plenty of others still go ahead.

[saaby93]

Trevatanus said:

saaby93 said:

the pilot examines whats in front of him and comes to the conclusion (guess) to shut down what turns out to be the remaining good engine.

It was hardly a "guess". He was basing his information on the previous 737's he'd flown.

That's what I meant - guessed it was the same when it wasn't - informed guess but incorrect (which engine does the cabin air come from)
Allegedly they've changed the screens to try to help make sure someone else doesn't make the same mistake

[Sylvaforever]

ecsrobin said:

RWD cossie wil said:

NDA said:

Robertj21a said:

RWD cossie wil said:

People get killed & injured through no fault of their own all the time, banning the air show is a fruitless exercise.

Not to those who want to drive safely along the A27.

Not displaying over the A27 is the answer, surely? My son goes to school right by the crash site and could easily have been caught up in this, so I have some interest.

Virtually every airport in the world is going to overfly roads on the approach/takeoff.... Its just not realistic to prevent overflying of roads during a display. Obviously all safety measures are taken to ensure incidents like this don't happen, and if they do the damage is as minimal as possible.

Planes do crash, they don't plan where and who they are going to crash into. For instance the police helicopter crash in Scotland, so do we ban police helicopters because one crashed into a road and building?

It's hard to ban incompetence though.

[Robertj21a]

RWD cossie wil said:

Virtually every airport in the world is going to overfly roads on the approach/takeoff.... Its just not realistic to prevent overflying of roads during a display. Obviously all safety measures are taken to ensure incidents like this don't happen, and if they do the damage is as minimal as possible.

I'm not aware that 'every airport in the world' encourages 'stunt' flying over, or even near, the general public.

[ecsrobin]

Robertj21a said:

RWD cossie wil said:

Virtually every airport in the world is going to overfly roads on the approach/takeoff.... Its just not realistic to prevent overflying of roads during a display. Obviously all safety measures are taken to ensure incidents like this don't happen, and if they do the damage is as minimal as possible.

I'm not aware that 'every airport in the world' encourages 'stunt' flying over, or even near, the general public.

Do you work within aviation to know the answer or just speculating?

[NDA]

ecsrobin said:

RWD cossie wil said:

NDA said:

Robertj21a said:

RWD cossie wil said:

People get killed & injured through no fault of their own all the time, banning the air show is a fruitless exercise.

Not to those who want to drive safely along the A27.

Not displaying over the A27 is the answer, surely? My son goes to school right by the crash site and could easily have been caught up in this, so I have some interest.

Virtually every airport in the world is going to overfly roads on the approach/takeoff.... Its just not realistic to prevent overflying of roads during a display. Obviously all safety measures are taken to ensure incidents like this don't happen, and if they do the damage is as minimal as possible.

Planes do crash, they don't plan where and who they are going to crash into. For instance the police helicopter crash in Scotland, so do we ban police helicopters because one crashed into a road and building?

I think if you check, I used the word 'displaying'. Overflying is fine - it's an airport - but coming out of loops etc is probably not fine. Just a thought.

[Robertj21a]

ecsrobin said:

Do you work within aviation to know the answer or just speculating?

No,I don't work in aviation. I didn't know that was a requirement for posting on the thread.

I am posting as a concerned member of the public who wants to reduce the risk of 'stunt' flying to other members of the general public. I appreciate that my concerns will not be accepted, or tolerated, by those who can only see the hobby as something that is perfectly harmless and not in need of any tighter controls.

[Dr Jekyll]

Robertj21a said:

No,I don't work in aviation. I didn't know that was a requirement for posting on the thread.

I am posting as a concerned member of the public who wants to reduce the risk of 'stunt' flying to other members of the general public. I appreciate that my concerns will not be accepted, or tolerated, by those who can only see the hobby as something that is perfectly harmless and not in need of any tighter controls.

The rules have already been tightened since the Shoreham crash, so what exactly is your concern?

[eccles]

Robertj21a said:

ecsrobin said:

Do you work within aviation to know the answer or just speculating?

No,I don't work in aviation. I didn't know that was a requirement for posting on the thread.

I am posting as a concerned member of the public who wants to reduce the risk of 'stunt' flying to other members of the general public. I appreciate that my concerns will not be accepted, or tolerated, by those who can only see the hobby as something that is perfectly harmless and not in need of any tighter controls.

So one single event where something goes wrong (out of thousands of events held over many years around the world) and you come across as wanting to ban it.
In all likelihood the pilot will be found to have not followed the rules , and if so, hopefully he will be hung out to dry and never fly again as a deterrent to other display pilots. But there's no need to ban airshows just because of one freak event. Yes, alter the rules to mitigate risk, but no need to ban them.

[Richie Slow]

Herein lies the conundrum, blaming the pilot goes some way towards publicly mitigating the underlying risks posed by airshows. But was he reckless or did he just make the tiniest of mistakes that unfortunately had the gravest of consequences?

It's not something we are qualified to judge as we probably don't have all the facts, but when viewed with the footage from Southport incident........................... I think I'll draw my own conclusions as to the size of the margins being maintained ( or not perhaps).

One thing is certain, someone will end up carrying the can. It's how things work nowadays.