Crash at Shoreham Air show
Discussion
and from memory this is the second time he made a mistake at an airshow(the first not ending in a crash to be fair)http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-43494430
As others linked to, out of the blue, this.
I am quite surprised, after all this time, but think it seems reasonable.
Dreadful incident, but from what I recall, it seemed unnecessarily risky and poorly executed.
As others linked to, out of the blue, this.
I am quite surprised, after all this time, but think it seems reasonable.
Dreadful incident, but from what I recall, it seemed unnecessarily risky and poorly executed.
Interesting development.
Yes, even stevie wonder could tell by looking at the footage that it was a simple case of too low, too slow for the manoeuvre.
However, I thought that as long as he claimed amnesia/ no recollection of the crash, they couldn't do anything?
It also begs the question of why Hunters are (correct me if I'm wrong) still subject to extra restrictions despite being exonerated?
Yes, even stevie wonder could tell by looking at the footage that it was a simple case of too low, too slow for the manoeuvre.
However, I thought that as long as he claimed amnesia/ no recollection of the crash, they couldn't do anything?
It also begs the question of why Hunters are (correct me if I'm wrong) still subject to extra restrictions despite being exonerated?
Grant76 said:
Sorry story on all sides.
Won’t for a second comment on the facts or the physics of the crash as well above my level of intelligence...
One thing I will add though is that my ex next door neighbor (ex phantom, Harrier etc pilot) now flying BA Dreamliners commented that this chap was the best pilot he ever had the pleasure of flying with.
There is a good graphical video in this link explaining how piss poor his flying was on that day:Won’t for a second comment on the facts or the physics of the crash as well above my level of intelligence...
One thing I will add though is that my ex next door neighbor (ex phantom, Harrier etc pilot) now flying BA Dreamliners commented that this chap was the best pilot he ever had the pleasure of flying with.
https://news.sky.com/story/shoreham-airshow-disast...
Grant76 said:
Sorry story on all sides.
Won’t for a second comment on the facts or the physics of the crash as well above my level of intelligence...
One thing I will add though is that my ex next door neighbor (ex phantom, Harrier etc pilot) now flying BA Dreamliners commented that this chap was the best pilot he ever had the pleasure of flying with.
Well I suppose that only proves you can be a first class professional commercial pilot and on the other hand a pilot of old jets who doesn’t adhere to the rules concerning air shows......Won’t for a second comment on the facts or the physics of the crash as well above my level of intelligence...
One thing I will add though is that my ex next door neighbor (ex phantom, Harrier etc pilot) now flying BA Dreamliners commented that this chap was the best pilot he ever had the pleasure of flying with.
Perhaps he should have flown on that Saturday in the same professional fashion he did going to Malaga or wherever.......
Lord Marylebone said:
There is a good graphical video in this link explaining how piss poor his flying was on that day:
https://news.sky.com/story/shoreham-airshow-disast...
That's pretty clear cut and absolutely damning.https://news.sky.com/story/shoreham-airshow-disast...
Minimum auth'd height: 500'
Actual height on the day: 185'
Minimum entry speed required: 350kts
Actual speed on the day: 310kts.
Crossflow Kid said:
Lord Marylebone said:
There is a good graphical video in this link explaining how piss poor his flying was on that day:
https://news.sky.com/story/shoreham-airshow-disast...
That's pretty clear cut and absolutely damning.https://news.sky.com/story/shoreham-airshow-disast...
Minimum auth'd height: 500'
Actual height on the day: 185'
Minimum entry speed required: 350kts
Actual speed on the day: 310kts.
Crossflow Kid said:
Lord Marylebone said:
There is a good graphical video in this link explaining how piss poor his flying was on that day:
https://news.sky.com/story/shoreham-airshow-disast...
That's pretty clear cut and absolutely damning.https://news.sky.com/story/shoreham-airshow-disast...
Minimum auth'd height: 500'
Actual height on the day: 185'
Minimum entry speed required: 350kts
Actual speed on the day: 310kts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&...
What they havent found is why he was too low both at entry or at top of manouevre
Someone suggested earlier it may have been because the altimeter was set wrong
Has anything followed up on that
https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/aircraft-accident-...
HoHoHo said:
Grant76 said:
Sorry story on all sides.
Won’t for a second comment on the facts or the physics of the crash as well above my level of intelligence...
One thing I will add though is that my ex next door neighbor (ex phantom, Harrier etc pilot) now flying BA Dreamliners commented that this chap was the best pilot he ever had the pleasure of flying with.
Well I suppose that only proves you can be a first class professional commercial pilot and on the other hand a pilot of old jets who doesn’t adhere to the rules concerning air shows......Won’t for a second comment on the facts or the physics of the crash as well above my level of intelligence...
One thing I will add though is that my ex next door neighbor (ex phantom, Harrier etc pilot) now flying BA Dreamliners commented that this chap was the best pilot he ever had the pleasure of flying with.
Perhaps he should have flown on that Saturday in the same professional fashion he did going to Malaga or wherever.......
saaby93 said:
Not really - theres more here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&...
What they havent found is why he was too low both at entry or at top of manouevre
Someone suggested earlier it may have been because the altimeter was set wrong
Has anything followed up on that
https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/aircraft-accident-...
I'm guessing it is the pilots responsibly to ensure the instruments are reading correctly and set correctly before fight?https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&...
What they havent found is why he was too low both at entry or at top of manouevre
Someone suggested earlier it may have been because the altimeter was set wrong
Has anything followed up on that
https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/aircraft-accident-...
I imagine everything has been looked into carefully.
What gets me is he's never made a statement. Never stood up and apologised or expressed his regret. I don't recall him expressing his condolences, maybe he did. But it doesn't seem to be public record.
11 men, the majority not even watching the air show, not involved in any way, taken from their families that day. Minding their own business, going places and doing things.
11 men, the majority not even watching the air show, not involved in any way, taken from their families that day. Minding their own business, going places and doing things.
Lord Marylebone said:
saaby93 said:
Not really - theres more here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&...
What they havent found is why he was too low both at entry or at top of manouevre
Someone suggested earlier it may have been because the altimeter was set wrong
Has anything followed up on that
https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/aircraft-accident-...
I'm guessing it is the pilots responsibly to ensure the instruments are reading correctly and set correctly before fight?https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&...
What they havent found is why he was too low both at entry or at top of manouevre
Someone suggested earlier it may have been because the altimeter was set wrong
Has anything followed up on that
https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/aircraft-accident-...
I imagine everything has been looked into carefully.
There was enough guessing at the begiing of the thread, about whether as the weather conditions changed the altimeter would be wrong and it's an easy mistake to set the wrong type of pressure and get the height wrong.
At waht point does making a mistake become culpable
Someone else said they only realised theyd got it wrong when the fields were much bigger than they should be coming out of a loop.
Would GPS be a more accurate method of height measurement?
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