Crash at Shoreham Air show

[anonymous-user]

He sounds less than honest. I’m feeling generous today!

[Robertj21a]

I thought all the early posts on this thread kept highlighting how he was such a superb, highly qualified, pilot.
Seems that many people have been fooled (or killed)

[aeropilot]

eccles said:

saaby93 said:

At least the expert witness agreed it was better to stay with the plane

beeb said:

Mr Whaley, an ex-Royal Navy pilot who has flown more than 300 displays in the Hawker Hunter, was asked if it would have been "safer for Andy Hill to eject the aircraft rather than to pull through" once he reached "a point when he had no hope".

He responded: "Yes, but that would show no concern for the safety of others."

Karim Khalil QC, defending, asked if Mr Whaley and other experts had agreed that "if he has ejected there may have been more serious loss of life".

"Yes, we agreed that," Mr Whaley responded.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-47173...

Perhaps he didn't eject because he didn't realise quite what a position he was in.

That would be my feeling, and by the time he did, it was too late. The Hunter is old tech, with old tech bang seats, and would have needed to do the both hands up over the head and pull down the face thingy to bang out preferably, rather than use the handle (as Craig Penrice did and wrecking his back when vacating that F.6 over Wales years ago, and he had ages to prepare for that ejection) so, given he was probably pulling hard on the stick at the bottom of the loop as it was mushing into the ground, banging out was probably not an option for him, and he probably realised that it was all over for him a second or so before he hit.

[dmsims]

If you've "blacked out" how are you going to eject anyway ?

[Eric Mc]

Mr Pointy said:

Can this really be true? I've never flown in a fast jet or been in the RAF but even I've seen numerous descriptions of this on TV & I know why military jet pilots wear pressure suits. It was even mentioned on the Red Arrows programme last week.

Is it really feasible that a Harrier pilot would not know about the effects of g forces & the potential to lose consiousness?

I think you mean "G-Suit" rather than "Pressure Suit". Pressure suits are worn by very high altitude crew (such as SR-71 or U-2 pilots) or astronauts.

[Dr Jekyll]

Mr Pointy said:

oakdale said:

Mr Hill has never heard of g-loc apparently.

Can this really be true? I've never flown in a fast jet or been in the RAF but even I've seen numerous descriptions of this on TV & I know why military jet pilots wear pressure suits. It was even mentioned on the Red Arrows programme last week.

Is it really feasible that a Harrier pilot would not know about the effects of g forces & the potential to lose consiousness?

What exactly was the context? Could he have meant 'we never called it g-Loc' or 'I've never heard of it happening in that manoeuvre'?

[Bonefish Blues]

Dr Jekyll said:

Mr Pointy said:

oakdale said:

Mr Hill has never heard of g-loc apparently.

Can this really be true? I've never flown in a fast jet or been in the RAF but even I've seen numerous descriptions of this on TV & I know why military jet pilots wear pressure suits. It was even mentioned on the Red Arrows programme last week.

Is it really feasible that a Harrier pilot would not know about the effects of g forces & the potential to lose consiousness?

What exactly was the context? Could he have meant 'we never called it g-Loc' or 'I've never heard of it happening in that manoeuvre'?

This. Surely it would be so damaging to his credibility as a witness that there must be some context to this?

[Robertj21a]

Pilot admits mistake at Southport show:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-47241...

[Yertis]

Dr Jekyll said:

What exactly was the context? Could he have meant 'we never called it g-Loc' or 'I've never heard of it happening in that manoeuvre'?

Has it always been called g-Loc? I've only come across the term relatively recently and I've had an interest in this sort of thing for at least thirty years.

[oakdale]

Yertis said:

Dr Jekyll said:

What exactly was the context? Could he have meant 'we never called it g-Loc' or 'I've never heard of it happening in that manoeuvre'?

Has it always been called g-Loc? I've only come across the term relatively recently and I've had an interest in this sort of thing for at least thirty years.

News report on what he said in court.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heeIwBkN7BQ

[Bonefish Blues]

He answered a different question, it seemed to me.

[saaby93]

Bonefish Blues said:

He answered a different question, it seemed to me.

Reporter said he was asked if he'd ever heard about g-loc as part of his formal training.

Thats a bit different to have you ever heard of g-loc

[Bonefish Blues]

saaby93 said:

Bonefish Blues said:

He answered a different question, it seemed to me.

Reporter said he was asked if he'd ever heard about g-loc as part of his formal training.

Thats a bit different to have you ever heard of g-loc

Is the point I was making. It's a question from his own Counsel, so will have been scripted that way.

[oakdale]

Plane "not being particularly well flown".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-47241...

[anonymous-user]

oakdale said:

Plane "not being particularly well flown".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-47241...

In that article it says his seat ejected from the aircraft.

Was this something that happened by accident on impact?

[HoHoHo]

Lord Marylebone said:

oakdale said:

Plane "not being particularly well flown".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-47241...

In that article it says his seat ejected from the aircraft.

Was this something that happened by accident on impact?

I believe a complete fluke during the impact.

Having watched the crash in front of my own eyes I was amazed he survived.

[saaby93]

oakdale said:

Plane "not being particularly well flown".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-47241...

Reasonable video showing how it was being flown in the middle of the itv report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heeIwBkN7BQ

[stevesingo]

Bonefish Blues said:

saaby93 said:

Bonefish Blues said:

He answered a different question, it seemed to me.

Reporter said he was asked if he'd ever heard about g-loc as part of his formal training.

Thats a bit different to have you ever heard of g-loc

Is the point I was making. It's a question from his own Counsel, so will have been scripted that way.

G-loc would seem immaterial to the cause of the accident He entered too slow and too low. He should have known then that the manoeuver was unlikely to succeed. What happened from that point onwards was a direct result of his actions.

[Robertj21a]

Pilot 'flew too close to buildings':-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-47256...

[saaby93]

Robertj21a said:

Pilot 'flew too close to buildings':-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-47256...

Prosecution asking same questions as defence yesterday
same answer received - it's the camera angle