Cool things seen on FlightRadar

[PRTVR]

Noticed these two near Gibraltar last week

[djc206]

MissChief said:

So do they need to increase separation between the big jets and these private jets due to size?

The larger biz jets are medium wake vortex category so the same as an A320 or B737 so no. Give that Flybe operate Dash 8’s in and out and they’re a small I can’t imagine it causes the approach controllers any bother but I’m no expert on that as I don’t hold an approach rating.

[MarkwG]

djc206 said:

MissChief said:

So do they need to increase separation between the big jets and these private jets due to size?

The larger biz jets are medium wake vortex category so the same as an A320 or B737 so no. Give that Flybe operate Dash 8’s in and out and they’re a small I can’t imagine it causes the approach controllers any bother but I’m no expert on that as I don’t hold an approach rating.

Indeed: speed (or lack of...) is usually more of a pain, & most bizjets Gulfstream/Canadair size are quick enough & flexible enough in the approach phase. Gap wise, more of an issue for the airport, the wrong mix can cost runway capacity.

[louiebaby]

This sort of helps to explain it:

https://nats.aero/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/...

It's worth noting that the Dash 8s that Flybe use are quite fast for a Turbo-Prop, so they can keep up with the other stuff on the approach more easily. I'm pretty sure I heard that the ATRs, which are slower, wouldn't be allowed because of this.

[anonymous-user]

louiebaby said:

This sort of helps to explain it:

https://nats.aero/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/...

It's worth noting that the Dash 8s that Flybe use are quite fast for a Turbo-Prop, so they can keep up with the other stuff on the approach more easily. I'm pretty sure I heard that the ATRs, which are slower, wouldn't be allowed because of this.

Everyone’s flying the same set speeds at set positions on the last part of the approach and on the final approach so type isn’t really a big issue as they’re manageable for most types - 210kts then 180kts and then finally 160kts until 4 miles from touchdown.

Different aircraft will fly these speeds in different configurations though and even the same types will vary depending on their weight. 160kts might be flown gear and flap up in an ATR but something like a 787 might need gear and flaps down to manage it. If it was very heavy due to amount of fuel carried it might only be able to manage 160kts until 6 or 7 miles. (As it’s flying a bit faster with the extra weight)

The turboprops have an advantage as they’re easier to slow down by changing the pitch on the propellers, and some jets which are quite slippery can be quite hard to flow down like some of the longer 737s

So turboprops can sometimes be fed in easier in gaps, depending on where you are.

[5150]

ATR's have no issue with approach speeds. In fact, they're far more flexible on speed management than any swept wing jet.

787 has a very efficient wing, therefore harder to slow down, so you need to have it configured with at least Flap 17 or 18 before descending on a standard three degree approach 'slope'. Once you've got it there, maintaining 160 knots to 4 miles (standard approach speeds for the big airports) is easily done, remembering to configure the remaining flap and landing gear!

[louiebaby]

I must have heard wrong then. Thanks for the education!

[moffspeed]

PRTVR said:

Noticed these two near Gibraltar last week

That's interesting, I was in Carvoeiro (Algarve) during April and saw what I thought were 2 Ospreys flying Westbound in formation either side of a larger plane which I presumed to be a tanker. Unusual to see anything other than light aircraft/parachute planes over the Algarve so it caught my attention - I'm guessing it was these 2 Grummans.

As you have probably gathered I'm not a great aviation expert but it is interesting to see this. Would the larger plane have been a refuelling tanker and would they have been flying off a carrier in the Med ?

[PRTVR]

Believe they were flying from a carrier, the osprey will eventually replace the greyhound COD role, basically a flying truck and bus for the carrier.

[Mort7]

This, this morning, then saw it flying at the Abingdon Air Show.



Lots of interesting aircraft there, including P47 Thunderbolt and P51 Mustang.

https://www.abingdonairandcountry.co.uk/whats-on/2...

Stayed late, and watched all the static aircraft leave too.

[AJB88]

Not on Flightradar but I finally got to see a Tupolev TU-144 in person the other day in Germany. As a Concord fan I have always wanted to see the Tupolev, turns out it was next to the road on my journey between Frankfurt and Stuttgart.

[Trevatanus]

Dragon heading into Fairford this morning

[anonymous-user]

Trevatanus said:

Dragon heading into Fairford this morning

Nice spot,

Just landing now

[Petrus1983]

I had no idea the U2 dates back to 1955 - with the U2-A being one of 48 original planes built.

[PRTVR]

Spitfire out and about.

[RobbyJ]

Interesting to see an FAA jet circling over Glos and then heading off to Europe?

[Trevatanus]

RobbyJ said:

Interesting to see an FAA jet circling over Glos and then heading off to Europe?

ILS checks. Possibly doing Fairford as it's a US Base.

[red_slr]

LS170 / EXS170 doing some weird stuff. Just tried to make an approach to Manchester (its proper destination).

Flew over my place at low level really quite fast (FR showed 3000ft and 230kt but looked a lot lower than that and faster)

Now flying north at 7000ft and 230kt.

[red_slr]

Just done a 180 over Burnley and heading back towards MAN. Its not windy or anything, most odd.

[Petrus1983]

Not on Flightradar24 but there’s been a BA 747 stuck on the ground for the last few days in Austin - no idea why as they usually just turn around and go.

Because I usually only see them surrounded by other 747’s at major airports I forgot just how big they are!