Osprey Central London
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HRL said:
Yep, two Ospreys and an Apache I saw.
Clearly the US Special Forces recently watched London Has Fallen.
And they're training above London because?
Incase they have to deliver soldiers to kill terrorists i expect. Clearly the US Special Forces recently watched London Has Fallen.
And they're training above London because?
The Osprey is much faster and carries more troops than a helicopter so if the bad guys do some jihad in London (or wherever) then the Ospreys come in with special forces.
Edited by el stovey on Thursday 26th May 11:57
HRL said:
It was more the US bit that I didn't understand.
Or do we practise above DC? You know, like a Special Forces swapsie?
I've no idea but they've got better aircraft than us for this role, so they give our lot a ride and perhaps we might buy some eventually. Maybe if it's the US embassy in London, they get to join in too? Or do we practise above DC? You know, like a Special Forces swapsie?
As usual, The daily mail explains the situation with a minimum of sensationalism.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520896/Re...
el stovey said:
The Ospreys are US special forces aircraft. They fly in from the USAF base at Mildenhall then north of London and then follow the river before heading back to Mildenhall.
I saw the two V-22's this morning about 9.15-9.20ish tracking from the north over RAF Northolt and then turning east along the normal helo corridor towards London.
HRL said:
Yep, two Ospreys and an Apache I saw.
Clearly the US Special Forces recently watched London Has Fallen.
And they're training above London because?
They are using the standard helicopter routes from their base to get to the West Country/south the quickest route is via the lanes, plus it looks cool. Very standard to see multiple chinooks and apaches flying through there on a daily basis. Clearly the US Special Forces recently watched London Has Fallen.
And they're training above London because?
ecsrobin said:
HRL said:
Yep, two Ospreys and an Apache I saw.
Clearly the US Special Forces recently watched London Has Fallen.
And they're training above London because?
They are using the standard helicopter routes from their base to get to the West Country/south the quickest route is via the lanes, plus it looks cool. Very standard to see multiple chinooks and apaches flying through there on a daily basis. Clearly the US Special Forces recently watched London Has Fallen.
And they're training above London because?
Edited by el stovey on Thursday 26th May 14:49
There was a rumour circulating a couple of months ago in the media that UK was going to acquire half a dozen of so V-22 for SF use.........
Probably all b
ks.....but maybe the SOG from the 'hall are helping with a few try out trials/tests here in UK before they bugger off to Spang next year when the 'hall closes....?
Probably all b
ks.....but maybe the SOG from the 'hall are helping with a few try out trials/tests here in UK before they bugger off to Spang next year when the 'hall closes....?
aeropilot said:
There was a rumour circulating a couple of months ago in the media that UK was going to acquire half a dozen of so V-22 for SF use.........
Probably all bks.....but maybe the SOG from the 'hall are helping with a few try out trials/tests here in UK before they bugger off to Spang next year when the 'hall closes....?
That's what the article above says. Apparently the SAS have been training with them and the U.K. Is considering buying their own. Probably all b
ks.....but maybe the SOG from the 'hall are helping with a few try out trials/tests here in UK before they bugger off to Spang next year when the 'hall closes....?308mate said:
What app is that?
The main flight tracking sites like fr24 and plane finder etc, filter traffic so you can't see military aircraft but there's a few websites that show unfiltered ads-b aircraft like military and the police etc etc.Basically large commercial aircraft transmit all their details and are easy to receive by enthusiasts with receivers on the ground and feed to websites. Military and smaller aircraft don't. However the sheer number of enthusuiasts receiving this data allows the boffins to use something called MLAT (multilateration) to triangulate these aircraft from the information they do transmit. I'm not sure how long it will last though but until aircraft transponders become encrypted, it is still possible.
The easiest ones to use are
http://www.adsbexchange.com/
And
www.360radar.co.uk (need a login)
Both have slightly different uk coverage but adsb exchange is worldwide.
You go into the global radar view / menu / options / filters / then select military and enable filters .
el stovey said:
308mate said:
What app is that?
The main flight tracking sites like fr24 and plane finder etc, filter traffic so you can't see military aircraft but there's a few websites that show unfiltered ads-b aircraft like military and the police etc etc.Basically large commercial aircraft transmit all their details and are easy to receive by enthusiasts with receivers on the ground and feed to websites. Military and smaller aircraft don't. However the sheer number of enthusuiasts receiving this data allows the boffins to use something called MLAT (multilateration) to triangulate these aircraft from the information they do transmit. I'm not sure how long it will last though but until aircraft transponders become encrypted, it is still possible.
The easiest ones to use are
http://www.adsbexchange.com/
And
www.360radar.co.uk (need a login)
Both have slightly different uk coverage but adsb exchange is worldwide.
You go into the global radar view / menu / options / filters / then select military and enable filters .
How practical would it be for the UK to run a small number of these given the (AIUI) enormous complexity of it and training requirements? If the US development and adoption has not been entirely straightforward when they have such large a large fleet, would it really be viable for us (even if we could afford the initial outlay)?
It does seem to have potentially great application for extended SAR, but from what I have read it does not work well as a winching base which is a shame - and also makes me wonder if it could be used effectively for roping out as per the Daily Wail pic?
It does seem to have potentially great application for extended SAR, but from what I have read it does not work well as a winching base which is a shame - and also makes me wonder if it could be used effectively for roping out as per the Daily Wail pic?
Any more sophisticated than a Harrier? Some of the systems on board are UK made including the Engines so It isn't beyond our capabilities. The USAF run them as well as the USMC and the USN is planning to replace it's Prop driven replenishment aircraft with an uprated CMV-22 variant. US Special Forces appear to be able to deploy off them and the USAF are planning to use them for CSAR.
s2kjock said:
How practical would it be for the UK to run a small number of these given the (AIUI) enormous complexity of it and training requirements?
The days of a large fleet of anything in RAF inventory are long gone, so don't see that as an reason not to buy!!P8 is going to be single figures fleet, C17 is single figures fleet, so no reason a single figures fleet of V-22's would be any more problematical.
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