Random facts about planes..
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Eric Mc said:
Ah - the old AF/TR/BF routine.
Was that Abbot and Costello?
AF = After Flight ServicingWas that Abbot and Costello?
BF = Before Flight Servicing
TR = Turnround Servicing.
Each had a certain validity in terms of time before having to be re-done.
IIRC an AF was valid for a calendar week as long as the a/c didn't fly, a BF and TR were valid for 12 hrs.
It was something that you checked as a Captain before signing the MOD Form 700 (the a/c logbook) to show that you accepted the a/c and were prepared to go and commit aviation.
greghm said:
Speaking about the Concorde, has anyone flown in it ? how much was a ticket back in the pre 2003 days ?
I went on it in the April before it crashed in the July that year (2000 I think) cost c£1300 to go from Heathrow to New York. Three nights in Plaza hotel and back in a normal jet. Did it over Easter , came back tues and didn't have day off work. Landed c 6 am drove to Bristol and straight into work!
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
Markbarry1977 said:
Used for sextant readings perhaps, the nimrod r1 derived from the commet had 1 on the flight deck. We used to have to check its serviceability as part of the AF/TR/BF routine.
The 'sun gun' (sextant port) on Nimrod MR2 was in the vestibule area aft of the flight deck ie outside (aft of) the flight deck door in the area abeam the WC. My memory of it is not that accurate.
Edited by Markbarry1977 on Thursday 13th April 20:33
Markbarry1977 said:
Eric Mc said:
Markbarry1977 said:
JuniorD said:
what about the periscopes on DC9, DC10 and 737 (maybe others too,)
Used for sextant readings perhaps, the nimrod r1 derived from the commet had 1 on the flight deck. We used to have to check its serviceability as part of the AF/TR/BF routine. Was that Abbot and Costello?
You've made the cardinal sin of using abbreviations, and Eric hates them.
Despite being an aviation fan for more years than many of us have been alive, and being able to spout all sorts of random facts at the drop of a hat, Eric seems to be unable to remember any abbreviation at all when it comes to aviation, and instead of just quietly googling it, makes the point that he's no idea what you mean unless you translate it for him.
IanH755 said:
A RAF Merlin helicopter can take off, fly to a destination, hover into wind and stop 20ft above the ground all automatically without the pilots ever touching the flying controls.
Once the helicopter is ready to fly the pilots are only "needed" (by the aircraft) to push the "take-off" button at the start, push the "I agree for the helicopter to descend from 60ft to 20ft" button and finally to push the collective down for the last 20ft (which has to be done by a human for safety) at the end.
Pretty amazing when you think about it!
Reading the thread title would be pretty amazing.Once the helicopter is ready to fly the pilots are only "needed" (by the aircraft) to push the "take-off" button at the start, push the "I agree for the helicopter to descend from 60ft to 20ft" button and finally to push the collective down for the last 20ft (which has to be done by a human for safety) at the end.
Pretty amazing when you think about it!
Edited by IanH755 on Tuesday 11th April 15:34
eccles said:
Markbarry1977 said:
Eric Mc said:
Markbarry1977 said:
JuniorD said:
what about the periscopes on DC9, DC10 and 737 (maybe others too,)
Used for sextant readings perhaps, the nimrod r1 derived from the commet had 1 on the flight deck. We used to have to check its serviceability as part of the AF/TR/BF routine. Was that Abbot and Costello?
You've made the cardinal sin of using abbreviations, and Eric hates them.
Despite being an aviation fan for more years than many of us have been alive, and being able to spout all sorts of random facts at the drop of a hat, Eric seems to be unable to remember any abbreviation at all when it comes to aviation, and instead of just quietly googling it, makes the point that he's no idea what you mean unless you translate it for him.
AF = After Flight
BF = Before Flight
TR = Turnaround
These are types of serviceing carried out frequently on an aircraft to ensure it is safe for storage/work or flight. They involve multiple tasks such as opening/closing circuit breakers, check oil/fuel/gas levels, visual inspections of specified items etc as laid out in the aircraft servicing manual.
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
AF = After Flight Servicing
BF = Before Flight Servicing
TR = Turnround Servicing.
Each had a certain validity in terms of time before having to be re-done.
IIRC an AF was valid for a calendar week as long as the a/c didn't fly, a BF and TR were valid for 12 hrs.
It was something that you checked as a Captain before signing the MOD Form 700 (the a/c logbook) to show that you accepted the a/c and were prepared to go and commit aviation.
Many thanks.BF = Before Flight Servicing
TR = Turnround Servicing.
Each had a certain validity in terms of time before having to be re-done.
IIRC an AF was valid for a calendar week as long as the a/c didn't fly, a BF and TR were valid for 12 hrs.
It was something that you checked as a Captain before signing the MOD Form 700 (the a/c logbook) to show that you accepted the a/c and were prepared to go and commit aviation.
Markbarry1977 said:
Well for Eric then
AF = After Flight
BF = Before Flight
TR = Turnaround
These are types of serviceing carried out frequently on an aircraft to ensure it is safe for storage/work or flight. They involve multiple tasks such as opening/closing circuit breakers, check oil/fuel/gas levels, visual inspections of specified items etc as laid out in the aircraft servicing manual.
Thank you.AF = After Flight
BF = Before Flight
TR = Turnaround
These are types of serviceing carried out frequently on an aircraft to ensure it is safe for storage/work or flight. They involve multiple tasks such as opening/closing circuit breakers, check oil/fuel/gas levels, visual inspections of specified items etc as laid out in the aircraft servicing manual.
I am grateful - despite what others may say.
Markbarry1977 said:
JuniorD said:
what about the periscopes on DC9, DC10 and 737 (maybe others too,)
Used for sextant readings perhaps, the nimrod r1 derived from the commet had 1 on the flight deck. We used to have to check its serviceability as part of the AF/TR/BF routine. nonsequitur said:
I was most surprised, on a visit to the flight deck, BOAC Boeing 707, that the First Officer was using a sextant. It was between Tokyo and Honolulu.
This was circa 1969. We arrived safely in Hawaii.
How fabulous. Was there a sextant port with averaging mechanism and timer etc like this.This was circa 1969. We arrived safely in Hawaii.
Or was he/she just holding a nautical sextant up to the window? (Does that even work)
In the same vein, the SR-71 also navigated by the stars:
https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/sr-7...
https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/sr-7...
I recall, with slight embarassment that on a Lockheed Tristar there were 5 toilets at the rear of the plane. They could be opened from the outside by using the end of a teaspoon which fitted into a small slot on the plastic "occupied" sign above the handle.
I managed to find this out by locking myself in one of the toilets deliberately after a fight with my older brother on what seemed like a 2 day flight to Muscat via everywhere except Muscat itself. After I'd been sat in the toilet for about half an hour a Hostess opened the door and took me up to the cockpit, where I was told off by the Captain but allowed to stay and watch for a while but told "Not to touch anything".
I managed to find this out by locking myself in one of the toilets deliberately after a fight with my older brother on what seemed like a 2 day flight to Muscat via everywhere except Muscat itself. After I'd been sat in the toilet for about half an hour a Hostess opened the door and took me up to the cockpit, where I was told off by the Captain but allowed to stay and watch for a while but told "Not to touch anything".
eccles said:
Markbarry1977 said:
Eric Mc said:
Markbarry1977 said:
JuniorD said:
what about the periscopes on DC9, DC10 and 737 (maybe others too,)
Used for sextant readings perhaps, the nimrod r1 derived from the commet had 1 on the flight deck. We used to have to check its serviceability as part of the AF/TR/BF routine. Was that Abbot and Costello?
You've made the cardinal sin of using abbreviations, and Eric hates them.
Despite being an aviation fan for more years than many of us have been alive, and being able to spout all sorts of random facts at the drop of a hat, Eric seems to be unable to remember any abbreviation at all when it comes to aviation, and instead of just quietly googling it, makes the point that he's no idea what you mean unless you translate it for him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcRRaXV-fg
...and I wasn't born until the 1970s.
Eric Mc said:
This is some tangent we're taking this thread away on Eric! But as much as I love old Abbott & Costello stuff, I never really 'got' the Marx Brothers in the same way.I've got no "random facts about aeroplanes" to add, so I'll leave it to someone else to get the thread back on track...
yellowjack said:
Eric Mc said:
This is some tangent we're taking this thread away on Eric! But as much as I love old Abbott & Costello stuff, I never really 'got' the Marx Brothers in the same way.I've got no "random facts about aeroplanes" to add, so I'll leave it to someone else to get the thread back on track...
yellowjack said:
This is some tangent we're taking this thread away on Eric! But as much as I love old Abbott & Costello stuff, I never really 'got' the Marx Brothers in the same way.
I've got no "random facts about aeroplanes" to add, so I'll leave it to someone else to get the thread back on track...
You are connected though to the random fact that the predecessors of the Red Arrows was called the YellowJacks.I've got no "random facts about aeroplanes" to add, so I'll leave it to someone else to get the thread back on track...
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