Boeing 747 days are numbered
Discussion
Eric Mc said:
I don't recall the exact reasons for the dispute but labour relations in BEA and BOAC, in the lead up to the creation of BA, were in very poor shape. The merger had started with a government committee set up as far back as 1970 - so staff had been stewing in uncertainty for almost four years before the merger finally happened in April 1974. It was not really a happy time for the employees.
Indeed, the entry of the 747 into BOAC service was delayed for almost a year due to a pay dispute with BOAC pilots.
Lived and worked through all that. I took part in the BOAC cabin crew strike in May / June 1974. Lasted three weeks, but we got most of the 'demands' we were seeking. Crew relations suffered ,with the 'went on strike' and 'didn't go on strike' factions at loggerheads.Indeed, the entry of the 747 into BOAC service was delayed for almost a year due to a pay dispute with BOAC pilots.
si_xsi said:
Ah yes, my link is my BIL was a 747 pilot and has flown with Mags (and Mark McEvoy). Chris Hibberd is his mate who was also flying on Thursday. Some additional vids below:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbCexoA7IR8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht8aMdwd-nk
Eric Mc said:
Interesting. By May/June 74, BOAC was history - but I guess old company loyalties took a long time to die away.
I know that BEA staff were a bit miffed that the first BA (Negus) scheme didn't include red wings.
Only just history - end of March 74 - But it was still bowack for some time after that.I know that BEA staff were a bit miffed that the first BA (Negus) scheme didn't include red wings.
G-VROS has been mentioned as one of three ex-Virgin 747s going to Atlas Air.
I've just found a video of G-VROS leaving Manchester for the last time to head down to Heathrow and I'll admit it had a surprisingly emotional effect on me! I've been flying from the UK to Florida once, twice and sometimes three times a year since 1999, exclusively on Virgin 747s. It's sad seeing them retired.
I've just found a video of G-VROS leaving Manchester for the last time to head down to Heathrow and I'll admit it had a surprisingly emotional effect on me! I've been flying from the UK to Florida once, twice and sometimes three times a year since 1999, exclusively on Virgin 747s. It's sad seeing them retired.
StephenP said:
G-VROS has been mentioned as one of three ex-Virgin 747s going to Atlas Air.
Have just looked up some images of it, as was surprised at that as I wouldn't have thought Atlas would have been interested in taking on a RR engine 747............but it's not a RR engine 747-400, so that explains the Atlas Air interest.For some reason, I thought the Virgin 747-400's, like the BA ones, were RR engine aircraft. But its been a long time since I saw one at LHR, and even longer (1999) since I last flew on a Virgin 747
aeropilot said:
El stovey said:
Stop in Vegas then into storage at Pinal Airpark MZJ KMZJ to join the others.
I assume, they are operating it as a largely cargo flight to LV then, to try an earn some revenue out of its final flight, as there seem to be no point in going to LV first otherwise?Dr Jekyll said:
El stovey said:
There’s been a few virgin 747s that have done this over the years, I can’t remember why it has to go to Vegas first but they’ve done the same then onto Pinal Airpark and ending up with Atlas in the end.
Clearing customs?There are other closer international airports - but not one that is/was a Virgin regular destination.
Six Lufthansa 747s "stranded" at Twente airport in the Netherlands have been given permission to depart...
https://simpleflying.com/lufthansa-boeing-747-depa...
Although a little further Googling suggests that there may well be more to this story than meets the eye...
https://www.scramble.nl/civil-news/6-lufthansa-b74...
https://simpleflying.com/lufthansa-boeing-747-depa...
linked article said:
Why were the aircraft stuck?
There seems to have been some confusion with the acceptance of the six Boeing 747s at Twente. In the east of The Netherlands, the airport has a permit that allows for widebody aircraft to land at the facility. However, the aircraft aren’t permitted to depart from the airport due to their weight. As such, the expectation is that widebody aircraft will only land at the facility to be dismantled.
An embarrassing oversight by either the airport, or the airline, when booking the parking slots? Or perhaps both parties should have checked?There seems to have been some confusion with the acceptance of the six Boeing 747s at Twente. In the east of The Netherlands, the airport has a permit that allows for widebody aircraft to land at the facility. However, the aircraft aren’t permitted to depart from the airport due to their weight. As such, the expectation is that widebody aircraft will only land at the facility to be dismantled.
Although a little further Googling suggests that there may well be more to this story than meets the eye...
https://www.scramble.nl/civil-news/6-lufthansa-b74...
LHRFlightman said:
Today's lockdown announcement and travel restrictions are another nail in the coffin for our airports and airlines.
Govt systematically dismantling a world class industry.
Well, we know how much Boris hates LHR, so its not really a surprise that there is no support for aviation in general.Govt systematically dismantling a world class industry.
I know its most unlikely I'll ever work at LHR again.
I hate to think what the situation is for the smaller regional airports like Southampton, Bristol, Norwich etc., I can't see them surviving much longer.
I spent last night with my chin who’s an EasyJet training Captain.
He’s had a few flights and is busier than he’s been in a long time in the Sim.
Apparently he understands they have enough cash to see them through this winter however are absolutely and totally reliant on a good summer otherwise they are in deep poo.
He suggested over 50% of the aircraft will go having an obvious impact on routes and fares.
He’s not worried at the moment however is appreciative of the current situation and how life can change in a day or two.
He’s had a few flights and is busier than he’s been in a long time in the Sim.
Apparently he understands they have enough cash to see them through this winter however are absolutely and totally reliant on a good summer otherwise they are in deep poo.
He suggested over 50% of the aircraft will go having an obvious impact on routes and fares.
He’s not worried at the moment however is appreciative of the current situation and how life can change in a day or two.
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