Fally-over houseboat ship project
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Absolutely. This is not I suppose an inexpensive or logical economically sound boat acquisition project.
It's someone with a significant amount of wedge taking a fancy to breathing new life into a Gentlemans Yacht, built nearly 100 years ago, having become interested in a story and enthusiastic about what she was and could be again.
Done on the cheap it will cost more than a lot of houses, done without limits, there is no limit. By the time you are doing major hull renovation work, and with the decent chance the new metal is in worse shape than the old, the cost of putting it back how Thornycroft built it in 1922 is likely to be approaching nominal!
Like if you spent £150k on restoring a classic car, you wouldn't leave it on aftermarket alloys for the sake of £1200.
Daniel
It's someone with a significant amount of wedge taking a fancy to breathing new life into a Gentlemans Yacht, built nearly 100 years ago, having become interested in a story and enthusiastic about what she was and could be again.
Done on the cheap it will cost more than a lot of houses, done without limits, there is no limit. By the time you are doing major hull renovation work, and with the decent chance the new metal is in worse shape than the old, the cost of putting it back how Thornycroft built it in 1922 is likely to be approaching nominal!
Like if you spent £150k on restoring a classic car, you wouldn't leave it on aftermarket alloys for the sake of £1200.
Daniel
Sonie said:
This is still in Burnham and we visited it via the water a few weeks ago. It is worryingly low in the water even near to high tide,I do have a couple of photos I will try and post here
According to their Instagram, it looks like she's upright but still not watertight so "sinks" every time the tide comes in. I guess there'll be a lot of days of waiting for low tide, spend a few hours digging/pumping mud out where necessary and weld on a couple of patches. Then come back the next day, more mud removal and patching until one day she comes up with the tide.Ahh, fair enough. Plus the are positives to having 6ft of mud in the bottom in terms of stability!
Presumably as suggested elsewhere she was really fairly knackered when she fell over, well patches and bodged, and three years getting wet each tide has I'm sure not helped. I guess they will be patching her up enough to float in situ and then towing her somewhere she can be slipped/drydocked for the extensive rebuild required.
Daniel
Presumably as suggested elsewhere she was really fairly knackered when she fell over, well patches and bodged, and three years getting wet each tide has I'm sure not helped. I guess they will be patching her up enough to float in situ and then towing her somewhere she can be slipped/drydocked for the extensive rebuild required.
Daniel
dhutch said:
Absolutely. This is not I suppose an inexpensive or logical economically sound boat acquisition project.
It's someone with a significant amount of wedge taking a fancy to breathing new life into a Gentlemans Yacht, built nearly 100 years ago, having become interested in a story and enthusiastic about what she was and could be again.
Done on the cheap it will cost more than a lot of houses, done without limits, there is no limit. By the time you are doing major hull renovation work, and with the decent chance the new metal is in worse shape than the old, the cost of putting it back how Thornycroft built it in 1922 is likely to be approaching nominal!
Like if you spent £150k on restoring a classic car, you wouldn't leave it on aftermarket alloys for the sake of £1200.
Daniel
Although I am no expert, I suspect the cost of the restoration could easily be greater than the cost of having a brand new superyacht built to his own design. It's someone with a significant amount of wedge taking a fancy to breathing new life into a Gentlemans Yacht, built nearly 100 years ago, having become interested in a story and enthusiastic about what she was and could be again.
Done on the cheap it will cost more than a lot of houses, done without limits, there is no limit. By the time you are doing major hull renovation work, and with the decent chance the new metal is in worse shape than the old, the cost of putting it back how Thornycroft built it in 1922 is likely to be approaching nominal!
Like if you spent £150k on restoring a classic car, you wouldn't leave it on aftermarket alloys for the sake of £1200.
Daniel
And thank god for people willing to take that path.
Europa1 said:
Although I am no expert, I suspect the cost of the restoration could easily be greater than the cost of having a brand new superyacht built to his own design.
And thank god for people willing to take that path.
At the very least he will keep tradesmen, shipwrights etc in employment and feeding their families.And thank god for people willing to take that path.
Sort of Grand Designs, but for boats...
Europa1 said:
Although I am no expert, I suspect the cost of the restoration could easily be greater than the cost of having a brand new superyacht built to his own design.
And thank god for people willing to take that path.
It will depend on the approach taken, but yes I think that is a fair assumption. And thank god for people willing to take that path.
Assuming to a really fairly business like approach to it you might be able to get the costs somewhere like similar, offset the cost of the design and perceived value of a newbuild against the cost of starting with recovering the hull.
If you decided that you where going to the level of commission a set of 12 hand made chairs as per the ones in a photo of the boat you had, that will cost extra. Bespoke fabric run for them, definitely at 'think of a big number and add a zero' territory. What is planned for propulsion. Etc.
Plus, while I have some insight into the work that can go into the rebuild of old boats, I'm not in the trade now familiar with luxury yachts!
If you want to see a faintly similar project, have a look at the Daniel Adamson, which has been done quite pragmatically if to a good standing, and does feature bespoke chairs to match the restored Deco interior.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-3...
Daniel
Lots of interesting pics of the righting here :
https://burnham.info/notices/llys-helig-the-smallt...
https://burnham.info/notices/llys-helig-the-smallt...
Arnie Cunningham said:
He’s not bitter :
https://www.braintreeandwithamtimes.co.uk/news/nor...
Ooouffff. Well ok, so if it just needed a pump why didn't he do it? Sank three times in 20 years, doesn't sound great to me? Can't see how you could really go about living with that?https://www.braintreeandwithamtimes.co.uk/news/nor...
Daniel
Crouch of Kibworth, Leicestershire with the recovery truck.
Their usual work can be seen on the TV series 'Trucking Hell' & I wonder if we'll see this on a future programme.
Saw them in action many times in the 80s & 90 as they are used a lot by Leicestershire Police - always good to know it was them that had been called for as they invariably turned up well overgunned for the job so you knew it would be done.
Their usual work can be seen on the TV series 'Trucking Hell' & I wonder if we'll see this on a future programme.
Saw them in action many times in the 80s & 90 as they are used a lot by Leicestershire Police - always good to know it was them that had been called for as they invariably turned up well overgunned for the job so you knew it would be done.
Edited by paintman on Tuesday 25th August 23:46
dhutch said:
Ahh, fair enough. Plus the are positives to having 6ft of mud in the bottom in terms of stability!
Presumably as suggested elsewhere she was really fairly knackered when she fell over, well patches and bodged, and three years getting wet each tide has I'm sure not helped. I guess they will be patching her up enough to float in situ and then towing her somewhere she can be slipped/drydocked for the extensive rebuild required.
Daniel
Bit of a faff TBH; get some tarpaulin, fother the thing and get it where it needs to go now instead of flapping about like a wet hen patching patches and chasing rust holes.Presumably as suggested elsewhere she was really fairly knackered when she fell over, well patches and bodged, and three years getting wet each tide has I'm sure not helped. I guess they will be patching her up enough to float in situ and then towing her somewhere she can be slipped/drydocked for the extensive rebuild required.
Daniel
Arnie Cunningham said:
Lots of interesting pics of the righting here :
https://burnham.info/notices/llys-helig-the-smallt...
Good set of photos, appears also to be the source of photos in other articles.https://burnham.info/notices/llys-helig-the-smallt...
Looks like someone has put up some osb hoarding around the area containing the boat, don't know if that's the boats owners or local authority.
paintman said:
Crouch of Kibworth, Leicestershire with the recovery truck.
Their usual work can be seen on the TV series 'Trucking Hell' & I wonder if we'll see this on a future programme.
... they invariably turned up well overgunned for the job so you knew it would be done.
Always outnumbered, never out gunned! I assumed given the name they were a local firm, on the Crouch, but also slightly surprised it was such an almost necessarily flash lorry and did half think I had seen it before. It's a good 3hours away, make a full day for them!Their usual work can be seen on the TV series 'Trucking Hell' & I wonder if we'll see this on a future programme.
... they invariably turned up well overgunned for the job so you knew it would be done.
Just pulled up google maps and checked over the area, she is definitely there all right!
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Priors+Boatyard/...
Presumable the stbd (right) side hasn't enjoyed tumbling around on the mud, hence needs to bulk of the patching to get it floating, and or they did the port (left) side while it was facing the sun!
hidetheelephants said:
Bit of a faff TBH; get some tarpaulin, fother the thing and get it where it needs to go now instead of flapping about like a wet hen patching patches and chasing rust holes.
I mean I am sure there will be some fothering type work too. I dont know who is project managing, who is advising who, or who is stipulating what in terms of how it is carried out, but I expect if nothing else, very little is being done in haste or under the radar, given the amount of time it has been on its side gathering 'interest' from all sides!I love work, could watch it all day....
Daniel
Better to have too much winching capacity rather than too little. And something with a bit of grip on the ground too.
Many years go my father got his Landrover stuck in a bait diggers hole on the foreshaw @ Langstone - with a rising tide.
The AA came out with one of their recovery trucks, and with it on a good concrete hard standing, it was grip of the recovery truck on the ground, not it's pulling capacity, that was the limit. They got it out in the end - just as the rising tide touched the back door.
Many years go my father got his Landrover stuck in a bait diggers hole on the foreshaw @ Langstone - with a rising tide.
The AA came out with one of their recovery trucks, and with it on a good concrete hard standing, it was grip of the recovery truck on the ground, not it's pulling capacity, that was the limit. They got it out in the end - just as the rising tide touched the back door.
dhutch said:
Always outnumbered, never out gunned! I assumed given the name they were a local firm, on the Crouch, but also slightly surprised it was such an almost necessarily flash lorry and did half think I had seen it before. It's a good 3hours away, make a full day for them!
Arnie Cunningham said:
Better to have too much winching capacity rather than too little. And something with a bit of grip on the ground too.
Many years go my father got his Landrover stuck in a bait diggers hole on the foreshaw @ Langstone - with a rising tide.
The AA came out with one of their recovery trucks, and with it on a good concrete hard standing, it was grip of the recovery truck on the ground, not it's pulling capacity, that was the limit. They got it out in the end - just as the rising tide touched the back door.
Yes, don't remember the exact figures, but both in my job working for JCB in Telihandlers and my job working on electric warehouse tugs, the amount of traction you get make is often max about 80% of the weight of the vehicle, can obviously be a lot less, but the only way you can get more is if you can get some transferred weight, so most of the warehouse movers where pushers, and the attachment designed to hook under the item, which is fine till you need to stop!Many years go my father got his Landrover stuck in a bait diggers hole on the foreshaw @ Langstone - with a rising tide.
The AA came out with one of their recovery trucks, and with it on a good concrete hard standing, it was grip of the recovery truck on the ground, not it's pulling capacity, that was the limit. They got it out in the end - just as the rising tide touched the back door.
That or tie it to something that isnt moving. Or use a kinetic strap and snatch it.
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