Fally-over houseboat ship project
Discussion
dhutch said:
Yeah, big project. See also "Ship Happens" here on the Wirral.
Or Tally Ho.I'm just working out how to fill 6 holes in a teak deck, 8mm diameter, after 22 years of wooden boats I'm f
king neurotic about the tiniest little things in an effort to prevent a Tally Ho/Llys Helig type sitch hitting me.At least with Ship Happens they do seem to acknowledge the scale of the project they've taken on, and while it's not a "money no object" project, they are also skilled enough to be appearing to make good progress on it themselves. Whether or not their work rate and motivation is sufficient to get ahead of the curve, let alone the funding - it remains to be seen. But I'd say they stand an as good, if not better, chance than the other's I've seen.
My impression is that if the owner of Llys Helig was handed an angle grinder and a welder, he probably wouldn't know where to start. So he just needs a large fortune to make it happen, which i reckon is absent. Not wishing to be rude, but if you're going to spend 5-10 million on a boat, you want your net worth to be north of 50 million, IMVHO.
And I hope he does, she's a pretty boat. But none of the evidence so far points to a "money no object" restoration.
My impression is that if the owner of Llys Helig was handed an angle grinder and a welder, he probably wouldn't know where to start. So he just needs a large fortune to make it happen, which i reckon is absent. Not wishing to be rude, but if you're going to spend 5-10 million on a boat, you want your net worth to be north of 50 million, IMVHO.
And I hope he does, she's a pretty boat. But none of the evidence so far points to a "money no object" restoration.
Edited by Arnold Cunningham on Wednesday 8th February 16:43
I cant see how it can be done for £5m.
Say £1m goes on naval architects, surveyors, cranes, barges, storage etc.
£1M on materials.
Leaves £3M for labour. Say by the time you've insured them, pensions, healthcare, ppe, sick leave, NI etc they are running at a fully burdened rate for £40/hr. That £3M buys you 75000 man hours. Say each bloke works 1800 hours a year. You've got 42 blokes for 1 year. No way can 42 blokes do that boat in a year.
Say £1m goes on naval architects, surveyors, cranes, barges, storage etc.
£1M on materials.
Leaves £3M for labour. Say by the time you've insured them, pensions, healthcare, ppe, sick leave, NI etc they are running at a fully burdened rate for £40/hr. That £3M buys you 75000 man hours. Say each bloke works 1800 hours a year. You've got 42 blokes for 1 year. No way can 42 blokes do that boat in a year.
Huntsman said:
I cant see how it can be done for £5m.
Say £1m goes on naval architects, surveyors, cranes, barges, storage etc.
£1M on materials.
Leaves £3M for labour. Say by the time you've insured them, pensions, healthcare, ppe, sick leave, NI etc they are running at a fully burdened rate for £40/hr. That £3M buys you 75000 man hours. Say each bloke works 1800 hours a year. You've got 42 blokes for 1 year. No way can 42 blokes do that boat in a year.
10 people, 4 years. A lot of the stuff will be relatively unskilled, so possible use of volunteers, a bit of sponsorship. Might work, might not. I'm no expert.Say £1m goes on naval architects, surveyors, cranes, barges, storage etc.
£1M on materials.
Leaves £3M for labour. Say by the time you've insured them, pensions, healthcare, ppe, sick leave, NI etc they are running at a fully burdened rate for £40/hr. That £3M buys you 75000 man hours. Say each bloke works 1800 hours a year. You've got 42 blokes for 1 year. No way can 42 blokes do that boat in a year.
Howard said:
Update March 2023.
Following the external survey of Llys Helig’s hull that revealed a huge variation of thicknesses of the steel as well as various patches and bodges to plug the holes a decision has been made.
Currently an internal survey is underway to assess the integrity of the ribs and superstructure.
However, Llys Helig deserves to be restored. We’ve come this far so we’ve taken the decision to replate the hull with 10mm steel.
This process will take A LONG TIME as each month the team will be fabricating panels to match the profile of the hull and to retain as much as possible of the original structure and soul of Llys Helig.
We’ll be documenting the process as we go.
Finally, thank you for the support. it has really helped in the decision making process of the last few weeks.
Howard and the Llys Helig team.
Well ther we are!Following the external survey of Llys Helig’s hull that revealed a huge variation of thicknesses of the steel as well as various patches and bodges to plug the holes a decision has been made.
Currently an internal survey is underway to assess the integrity of the ribs and superstructure.
However, Llys Helig deserves to be restored. We’ve come this far so we’ve taken the decision to replate the hull with 10mm steel.
This process will take A LONG TIME as each month the team will be fabricating panels to match the profile of the hull and to retain as much as possible of the original structure and soul of Llys Helig.
We’ll be documenting the process as we go.
Finally, thank you for the support. it has really helped in the decision making process of the last few weeks.
Howard and the Llys Helig team.
Top lad.
It appear there is a new development.... ....seams an ambitious price tag unless it includes the floating drydock she sits in (which it doesnt) !
https://www.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/classic-boats-mo...
https://www.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/classic-boats-mo...
dhutch said:
It appear there is a new development.... ....seams an ambitious price tag unless it includes the floating drydock she sits in (which it doesnt) !
https://www.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/classic-boats-mo...
It's probably safe to assume that he had further surveys done and estimates submitted and realised that he was going to be in ten times further than he thought, so he's thrown in the towel. Unfortunately it's also probably safe to assume that that's the end of Llys Helig.https://www.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/classic-boats-mo...
Enthusiastically priced.
On the one hand, she probably needs to be free to a good home.
On the other, 100K is a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of restoring her, so doesn't really make any difference to the end price and would go a little way towards recouping some of Howard's costs to date.
On the one hand, she probably needs to be free to a good home.
On the other, 100K is a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of restoring her, so doesn't really make any difference to the end price and would go a little way towards recouping some of Howard's costs to date.
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