ANNOYING THINGS PEOPLE DO ON PLANES

[Shakermaker]

bulldong said:

Thanks a lot. I will look for the Dreamliner every time now. It is by far the best plane for long distance, although I haven't been on an A380 yet.

Not in Economy it isn't, in my experience

Not that I've yet found a decent Economy seat for my robust PH frame

[captain_cynic]

Shakermaker said:

bulldong said:

Thanks a lot. I will look for the Dreamliner every time now. It is by far the best plane for long distance, although I haven't been on an A380 yet.

Not in Economy it isn't, in my experience

Not that I've yet found a decent Economy seat for my robust PH frame

Mine too.

787 Squeezeliners are smaller than the 777's they're meant to replace but airlines are shoving more seats in, this means seats are narrower and closer together. Aisles have to be a certain width by regulation, so the space you're missing comes out of your space.

Also they lack window recesses. As a bloke with 19" shoulders (measured on an X-Ray, so more for the fleshy bits) I depend on that recess to sit remotely comfortably.

Beyond that, there are no window shades and their dimming technology just floods the cabin with blue light (which is not conducive to sleep what so ever) and the cabin crew overrides your control over it.

I'll pretty much pay extra to avoid a 787.

Shakerrmaker... Singapore Airlines A380, 19" wide seats in economy. When I have to fly back to Oz, I won't fly anyone else.

[David87]

djc206 said:

Both Gatwick to Vegas flights I’ve done have been carnage. LVPD boarded one to remove some rowdy upper passengers and on the other a lad had to be lead back to his seat by the hand because he was so wasted he’d “got lost”.

My sister was cabin crew for BA for just over a year, she was sexually assaulted twice and physically assaulted once, all drunk people. The guy who launched a water bottle at her head was banned from BA but none of the three were dealt with by the police which is a poor show by BA. Behaviour like that needs to be dealt with with an iron fist and made an example of. It should be the case that if you touch a member of crew you will never be allowed to fly to, from or via the U.K. ever again.

Yep, the only really smashed passenger I've come across was on a Las Vegas-bound flight. It was a woman in economy and she was a real mess, but the cabin crew dealt with it really well. They weren't overly surprised - I was chatting to the cabin manager and he said he'd normally avoid a Friday Vegas flight, but was only doing this one as he'd get to celebrate his birthday out there.

[DanL]

NAS said:

It did look like the article linked.

Ah well, anyway, it was pretty nice

The A380 window seat is shown in this article - no neighbour, and the “minibar” is between you and the aisle giving additional privacy. I thought this was awesome!

https://www.quora.com/Which-business-class-is-a-be...

[HoHoHo]

DanL said:

NAS said:

It did look like the article linked.

Ah well, anyway, it was pretty nice

The A380 window seat is shown in this article - no neighbour, and the “minibar” is between you and the aisle giving additional privacy. I thought this was awesome!

https://www.quora.com/Which-business-class-is-a-be...

This is why I'm using the A380 in January.

I get back from a holiday in NY 9:30am 3rd January and fly to Dubai 9:30pm that evening. On the assumption I will get some sleep flying UC Virgin back from NY at least I'll have half a chance of some more sleep before I work on the 4th (oh, and I've got to hope the inbound flight is on time and not held up for some hours by snow etc.)

[schmalex]

DanL said:

NAS said:

It did look like the article linked.

Ah well, anyway, it was pretty nice

The A380 window seat is shown in this article - no neighbour, and the “minibar” is between you and the aisle giving additional privacy. I thought this was awesome!

https://www.quora.com/Which-business-class-is-a-be...

A and K on the A380 are the best business class seats as they have the minibar between you and the aisle.

If I’m in business, I will always favour 23 or 25 A or K as they are in the smaller rear cabin.

Sadly, most of the Emirates A380’s on the LHR / DXB route are the first generation (you can tell if you are on an old one if the headphone socket is under the AVOD screen and not next to you) and are looking a bit tired now.

I flew a re-fitted 777 from DEL to DXB a couple of weeks ago and the new business class seats are excellent.

Sadly, I spent far too much time on Emirates planes 🤨

[Shakermaker]

captain_cynic said:

Shakerrmaker... Singapore Airlines A380, 19" wide seats in economy. When I have to fly back to Oz, I won't fly anyone else.

But with a headrest that at its highest, only reaches the middle of my shoulders. Found it very uncomfortable for the entire flight, but I know I'm much taller than average, and much much taller than the average Singaporean.

Next time I go Long Haul, I'll have to stump up the extra for a Premium or Business seat (and leave the wife in Economy..) to give myself enough space. Though I might be going to Auckland for a business trip soon, but that's OK because work will pay for Business for any flight over 5 hours...

[LotusOmega375D]

Sorry if already mentioned elsewhere, but the thread’s too long to check.

Last Friday I flew short haul with BA. I had paid the extra cost for a check-in bag and took my lap-top bag on board, for which I received a tag. When we arrived at the Gate, it was announced that due to full flight passengers could check in their large cabin bags for free. That’s normal practice. Anyway we board and the passengers who had decided to bring the kitchen sink with them and not pay for check bag or even free hold bag at the Gate promptly fill the overhead lockers. The stewardess then asks the passengers with their tagged bags to put them under the seat in front, so that they have room in the overhead lockers for all the suitcases. F*ck off. Why should I have to endure the discomfort of having nowhere to put my feet, whilst the lazy tight-arses who have neither paid to check in their bag nor even done it for free at the Gate get to stretch out in comfort? I didn’t comply and left my lap-top bag in the locker. I would have told them to put my bag under the seat in front of one of these gits if they’re that bothered.

[Cold]

Man sues British Airways for 'sitting him next to fat passenger'

[anonymous-user]

captain_cynic said:

Shakermaker said:

bulldong said:

Thanks a lot. I will look for the Dreamliner every time now. It is by far the best plane for long distance, although I haven't been on an A380 yet.

Not in Economy it isn't, in my experience

Not that I've yet found a decent Economy seat for my robust PH frame

Mine too.

787 Squeezeliners are smaller than the 777's they're meant to replace but airlines are shoving more seats in, this means seats are narrower and closer together. Aisles have to be a certain width by regulation, so the space you're missing comes out of your space.

Also they lack window recesses. As a bloke with 19" shoulders (measured on an X-Ray, so more for the fleshy bits) I depend on that recess to sit remotely comfortably.

Beyond that, there are no window shades and their dimming technology just floods the cabin with blue light (which is not conducive to sleep what so ever) and the cabin crew overrides your control over it.

I'll pretty much pay extra to avoid a 787.

Shakerrmaker... Singapore Airlines A380, 19" wide seats in economy. When I have to fly back to Oz, I won't fly anyone else.

That’s funny, I recently flew zurich to Toronto and on the way was a Dreamliner, way back was an A330. Dreamliner trumped the 330 in every way. Mind you, this particular 330 was looking a bit tired.

[Tallow]

captain_cynic said:

I'll pretty much pay extra to avoid a 787.

Same here for the same reasons. It's OK (apart from the stupid ineffective window shades) in premium economy and upwards but there's no way I'm willing to squeeze myself into one of those narrow seats.

[Ayahuasca]

This annoys me - having gone through security, when I just want to get to my gate, I am forced, nay, corralled, into following a winding, looping track that meanders like a slow congested river through the sodding duty free shop as if somehow being forced to work my way around display cases of booze and perfume and watches will trigger some sort of last minute impulse to buy myself a nice bottle of malt or a new watch for the flight. Yes Birmingham airport, I am looking at you. s.

[98elise]

djc206 said:

Sa Calobra said:

How often do you see drunken behaviour on planes? Must admit I've never seen it (only fly twice a year though)

Both Gatwick to Vegas flights I’ve done have been carnage. LVPD boarded one to remove some rowdy upper passengers and on the other a lad had to be lead back to his seat by the hand because he was so wasted he’d “got lost”.

My sister was cabin crew for BA for just over a year, she was sexually assaulted twice and physically assaulted once, all drunk people. The guy who launched a water bottle at her head was banned from BA but none of the three were dealt with by the police which is a poor show by BA. Behaviour like that needs to be dealt with with an iron fist and made an example of. It should be the case that if you touch a member of crew you will never be allowed to fly to, from or via the U.K. ever again.

Surely if it's a police matter it's bugger all to do with BA?

[hammo19]

Virgin are building an adult only cruise liner, can they do the same for flights please. Kids kicking the back of your seat on a long haul flight is very annoying.

Recent return flight from US in Premium. Family of 4 crash late onto flight, within seconds father complains to steward that his headphones don’t fit the sockets, orders another pair from the catalogue, commence a loud.family debate across the aisle and we haven’t left the gate yet.

Father and daughter fully recline seats 2 seconds after trays collected promptly spilling my wife’s drink. Daughter just throws her rubbish in the aisle for the steward to pick up throughout the flight. Father constantly shuffling in his seat and yes first to get up straight after seat belt sign goes off, family up and cases out before anyone has moved.

I’m sure you have all experienced this before.

[HoHoHo]

hammo19 said:

Virgin are building an adult only cruise liner, can they do the same for flights please. Kids kicking the back of your seat on a long haul flight is very annoying.

Recent return flight from US in Premium. Family of 4 crash late onto flight, within seconds father complains to steward that his headphones don’t fit the sockets, orders another pair from the catalogue, commence a loud.family debate across the aisle and we haven’t left the gate yet.

Father and daughter fully recline seats 2 seconds after trays collected promptly spilling my wife’s drink. Daughter just throws her rubbish in the aisle for the steward to pick up throughout the flight. Father constantly shuffling in his seat and yes first to get up straight after seat belt sign goes off, family up and cases out before anyone has moved.

I’m sure you have all experienced this before.

What, someone who moans about everyone else all the time

Fly Upper, it's much better and you don't have anyone kicking the back of your seat

[captain_cynic]

Ayahuasca said:

This annoys me - having gone through security, when I just want to get to my gate, I am forced, nay, corralled, into following a winding, looping track that meanders like a slow congested river through the sodding duty free shop as if somehow being forced to work my way around display cases of booze and perfume and watches will trigger some sort of last minute impulse to buy myself a nice bottle of malt or a new watch for the flight. Yes Birmingham airport, I am looking at you. s.

One reason why I like LHR, they don't do this (although I get the subtle impression that it bothers you more than me).

Perth (Australia) Airport is terrible for it... But you could spot the veterans of that airport as you could cut through the chocolate section and avoid the lot.

[captain_cynic]

98elise said:

djc206 said:

Sa Calobra said:

How often do you see drunken behaviour on planes? Must admit I've never seen it (only fly twice a year though)

Both Gatwick to Vegas flights I’ve done have been carnage. LVPD boarded one to remove some rowdy upper passengers and on the other a lad had to be lead back to his seat by the hand because he was so wasted he’d “got lost”.

My sister was cabin crew for BA for just over a year, she was sexually assaulted twice and physically assaulted once, all drunk people. The guy who launched a water bottle at her head was banned from BA but none of the three were dealt with by the police which is a poor show by BA. Behaviour like that needs to be dealt with with an iron fist and made an example of. It should be the case that if you touch a member of crew you will never be allowed to fly to, from or via the U.K. ever again.

Surely if it's a police matter it's bugger all to do with BA?

Erm, BA have a duty of care to their staff which DJC was pointing out that BA were ignoring.

If someone physically assaulted or even aggressively accosted a member of the cabin crew, I'd expect them to get a lifetime ban... Hell, I'd expect the same if someone aggressively accosted a Costa staff member I'd expect them to get a lifetime ban. If you're at work you've got the right not to be treated in that fashion.

Maybe I just expect too much from society.

[Shakermaker]

captain_cynic said:

Erm, BA have a duty of care to their staff which DJC was pointing out that BA were ignoring.

If someone physically assaulted or even aggressively accosted a member of the cabin crew, I'd expect them to get a lifetime ban... Hell, I'd expect the same if someone aggressively accosted a Costa staff member I'd expect them to get a lifetime ban. If you're at work you've got the right not to be treated in that fashion.

Maybe I just expect too much from society.

It is a shame that there hasn't appeared to be the same approach in all cases. I've been present for a number of "police meeting this flight" incidents before and it really surprises you (or doesn't?) when you initially see the person who is being met.

In none of the cases that I saw in my time at Gatwick were the culprits ever "lads" on a stag do or similar. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, it just wasn't the ones I saw. Certainly some girls from hen parties though. But most often it was Angry Drunk Dads. They were met by the police and taken away to be questioned and usually left a meek and retiring wife to handle the children all on her own and get the suitcases etc. Hearing the stories from the passengers I was looking after usually gave an idea of what had happened but it was the same basic story - flight had probably been delayed, Dad was having three too many "Last beer of the holiday" whilst waiting at the airport and then become angry when he was told he couldn't have another one on the plane or that they'd run out of Pringles.

[anonymous-user]

captain_cynic said:

Shakermaker said:

bulldong said:

Thanks a lot. I will look for the Dreamliner every time now. It is by far the best plane for long distance, although I haven't been on an A380 yet.

Not in Economy it isn't, in my experience

Not that I've yet found a decent Economy seat for my robust PH frame

Mine too.

787 Squeezeliners are smaller than the 777's they're meant to replace but airlines are shoving more seats in, this means seats are narrower and closer together. Aisles have to be a certain width by regulation, so the space you're missing comes out of your space.

Also they lack window recesses. As a bloke with 19" shoulders (measured on an X-Ray, so more for the fleshy bits) I depend on that recess to sit remotely comfortably.

Beyond that, there are no window shades and their dimming technology just floods the cabin with blue light (which is not conducive to sleep what so ever) and the cabin crew overrides your control over it.

I'll pretty much pay extra to avoid a 787.

Shakerrmaker... Singapore Airlines A380, 19" wide seats in economy. When I have to fly back to Oz, I won't fly anyone else.

The fit and seats and seat pitch and width and how the blinds are controlled depends entirely on the airline and how they’ve kitted it out.

Saying you avoid a 787 because of the economy fit is like saying you avoid buying all cars, because you don’t like Audi.

[captain_cynic]

El stovey said:

The fit and seats and seat pitch and width and how the blinds are controlled depends entirely on the airline and how they’ve kitted it out.

Saying you avoid a 787 because of the economy fit is like saying you avoid buying all cars, because you don’t like Audi.

I would agree to a point. However a major part of my problem with the B787 is the lack of window recesses and the lack of window shades because the system they use is completely ineffective and only floods the cabin with blue light. No matter how good the kit out, these are problems inherent to the air frame, so the best airline in the world can't change them.

I suspect that the piezo-electric window shades will be depreciated from the next version of the aircraft given the negative feedback from airlines.

And I'd never buy an Audi