Tornado To Be Axed
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Tony1963 said:
I'm not going to answer such a stupid question. Google the terms involved, then make your own mind up.
Because it can't land or be reused?
- HurricatBecause it can't take off?
- GoblinBecause it's intended to hit a target and explode?
- Wisteria BlossomThe difference between missile and aircraft only ready exists because of the value we place on human life (the ones on our side anyway). For example, is this an aircraft or a missile?
maffski said:
This fully autonomous aircraft does not loiter, and has been going toe-to-toe (wingtip-to-wingtip?) with fighter aircraft for 60 years.
A Level 10 device (equivalent to a human) that is -
a: Cognizant of all entities within the battlespace
b: Able to co-ordinate with others as necessary
c: Capable of total independence from other units
d: Requiring little guidance to do it's assigned job
The AIM-9 only uses the last two functions on that list so it is not a Level 10 fully autonomous device, however as a missile doesn't fit into the traditional "UAV" definition it is difficult to pin down exactly where it would fit but the closest would be around a Level 4-5 area according the USAF Research Lab ( the PDF of their report - chart on the last page) so it it has some "autonomy" it doesn't match the very specific requirements in your post.
Hope that helps.
- edited for easier reading.
Edited by IanH755 on Tuesday 10th April 19:17
IanH755 said:
With respect to UAV's/Drones the term "Fully Autonomous" is very specific and is defined as a Level 10 device(equivalent to a human) that is cognizant of all within battlespace & co-ordinates as necessary, which is capable of total independence and requires little guidance to do it's assigned job.
The AIM-9 only uses the last two functions on that list so it is not a Level 10 fully autonomous device, however as a missile doesn't fit into the traditional "UAV" definition it is difficult to pin down exactly where it would fit but the closest would be around a Level 4-5 area according the USAF Research Lab ( the PDF of their report - chart on the last page) so it it has some "autonomy" it doesn't match the very specific requirements in your post.
Hope that helps.
The AIM-9 only uses the last two functions on that list so it is not a Level 10 fully autonomous device, however as a missile doesn't fit into the traditional "UAV" definition it is difficult to pin down exactly where it would fit but the closest would be around a Level 4-5 area according the USAF Research Lab ( the PDF of their report - chart on the last page) so it it has some "autonomy" it doesn't match the very specific requirements in your post.
Hope that helps.
thank you.Dr Jekyll said:
I was once told that the term 'drone' is a reference to the 'Queen Bee' remotely piloted aircraft of WW2.
Well that makes no sense because a queen is not a drone. Although a drone is needed to fertilise the queen. Can't quite see where the term 'drone' originated with ref pilotless aircraft, unless it references their inability to operate independently (drones being tied to the hive). Or maybe it's the noise they make.Yertis said:
Dr Jekyll said:
I was once told that the term 'drone' is a reference to the 'Queen Bee' remotely piloted aircraft of WW2.
Well that makes no sense because a queen is not a drone. Although a drone is needed to fertilise the queen. Can't quite see where the term 'drone' originated with ref pilotless aircraft, unless it references their inability to operate independently (drones being tied to the hive). Or maybe it's the noise they make.Yet more confusingly, Moths aren't autonomous. They act like they are, until they see a candle, and then they make a bee-line straight for it - can't help themselves. Drawn irresistibly to their doom by the beguiling infra-red allure of the flame.
Much like a Sidewinder missile, in fact. Although you don't tend to get so many of them coming in though open windows on summer nights.
Anyway, where were we?
eharding said:
Yet more confusingly, Moths aren't autonomous. They act like they are, until they see a candle, and then they make a bee-line straight for it - can't help themselves. Drawn irresistibly to their doom by the beguiling infra-red allure of the flame.
Much like a Sidewinder missile, in fact. Although you don't tend to get so many of them coming in though open windows on summer nights.
There is a theory that they keep bright light on a certain bearing because if the light is the moon this prevents them going round in circles, this would explain why they spiral closer to the flame without heading directly towards it. This is exactly the same principle as a sidewinder of course. It doesn't turn to head directly for the target but keeps it on a constant bearing which often means it will aim ahead of the target. Constant bearing decreasing range means you hit it sooner or later.Much like a Sidewinder missile, in fact. Although you don't tend to get so many of them coming in though open windows on summer nights.
Dr Jekyll said:
This is exactly the same principle as a sidewinder of course. It doesn't turn to head directly for the target but keeps it on a constant bearing which often means it will aim ahead of the target. Constant bearing decreasing range means you hit it sooner or later.
Depends upon which variant of the 'winder you are talking about.Ginetta G15 Girl said:
Dr Jekyll said:
This is exactly the same principle as a sidewinder of course. It doesn't turn to head directly for the target but keeps it on a constant bearing which often means it will aim ahead of the target. Constant bearing decreasing range means you hit it sooner or later.
Depends upon which variant of the 'winder you are talking about.
Dr Jekyll said:
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
Dr Jekyll said:
This is exactly the same principle as a sidewinder of course. It doesn't turn to head directly for the target but keeps it on a constant bearing which often means it will aim ahead of the target. Constant bearing decreasing range means you hit it sooner or later.
Depends upon which variant of the 'winder you are talking about.
Tony1963 said:
A GR4 from Marham arrived at Duxford today. No idea when it'll be on show.
It sounds like it already is:
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/nationa...
Boatbuoy said:
"Tornadoes"....... grrrrrrrrr.IanH755 said:
With respect to UAV's/Drones the term "Fully Autonomous" is very specific and is defined as -
A Level 10 device (equivalent to a human) that is -
a: Cognizant of all entities within the battlespace
b: Able to co-ordinate with others as necessary
c: Capable of total independence from other units
d: Requiring little guidance to do it's assigned job
The AIM-9 only uses the last two functions on that list so it is not a Level 10 fully autonomous device, however as a missile doesn't fit into the traditional "UAV" definition it is difficult to pin down exactly where it would fit but the closest would be around a Level 4-5 area according the USAF Research Lab ( the PDF of their report - chart on the last page) so it it has some "autonomy" it doesn't match the very specific requirements in your post.
Hope that helps.
Actually it will do item a. as well. A Level 10 device (equivalent to a human) that is -
a: Cognizant of all entities within the battlespace
b: Able to co-ordinate with others as necessary
c: Capable of total independence from other units
d: Requiring little guidance to do it's assigned job
The AIM-9 only uses the last two functions on that list so it is not a Level 10 fully autonomous device, however as a missile doesn't fit into the traditional "UAV" definition it is difficult to pin down exactly where it would fit but the closest would be around a Level 4-5 area according the USAF Research Lab ( the PDF of their report - chart on the last page) so it it has some "autonomy" it doesn't match the very specific requirements in your post.
Hope that helps.
- edited for easier reading.
Edited by IanH755 on Tuesday 10th April 19:17
Which can be a problem.
As for bellend comment
Has "she who shall not be trifled with" 
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