Massive train timetabling amendments
Discussion
tight5 said:
V8 Fettler said:
Many more companies use road freight; rail freight is at less than 8% of the market and falling.
The companies that do use rail freight are being indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer.
Funny, we are busier than we've ever been (even without our coal traffic) and we have NO subsidies.The companies that do use rail freight are being indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer.
legzr1 said:
V8 Fettler said:
If it's more cost effective, then why not?
It isn’t.
He doesn't want to listen or to take anything new on board. He's read a loony website and fallen for its content hook, line and sinker. I would however make just a quick couple of points:
Whilst it is true that some research was carried out into road/ rail conversions back in the mid 1950s, 60+ years have now gone by and it has never happened? If it as such a bloody good idea, why not?
Beeching was charged with reducing the railway's deficit in the 60s. If the idea had any merit he would have pounced on it - according to V8 it would have saved the country a fortune. But he didn't - why not?
Of all the railway haters the UK has ever spawned, Margaret Thatcher was the railway-hater-in-chief, If the idea had any merit then she would have loved to have gone down in history as the PM who saved the country from the railways. But she didn't do it - why not? (and before any half-wit jumps in to say "because unions" we might pause to recall how victorious the miners were in their year-long fight against the woman...)
Nobody has picked this up and run with it, despite the idea being around for over 60 years and despite various people in power over the years who would dearly have loved to decimate the railways. So why did none of them do it? Could it be because it was a crackpot scheme that simply didn't stack up when held up to scrutiny and accurate costings?
You decide...
rs1952 said:
As you said to me back on page 1 about another sub-topic within this thread, I think you're wasting your time mate
He doesn't want to listen or to take anything new on board. He's read a loony website and fallen for its content hook, line and sinker. I would however make just a quick couple of points:
Whilst it is true that some research was carried out into road/ rail conversions back in the mid 1950s, 60+ years have now gone by and it has never happened? If it as such a bloody good idea, why not?
Beeching was charged with reducing the railway's deficit in the 60s. If the idea had any merit he would have pounced on it - according to V8 it would have saved the country a fortune. But he didn't - why not?
Of all the railway haters the UK has ever spawned, Margaret Thatcher was the railway-hater-in-chief, If the idea had any merit then she would have loved to have gone down in history as the PM who saved the country from the railways. But she didn't do it - why not? (and before any half-wit jumps in to say "because unions" we might pause to recall how victorious the miners were in their year-long fight against the woman...)
Nobody has picked this up and run with it, despite the idea being around for over 60 years and despite various people in power over the years who would dearly have loved to decimate the railways. So why did none of them do it? Could it be because it was a crackpot scheme that simply didn't stack up when held up to scrutiny and accurate costings?
You decide...
To be honest, I’m struggling to summon the will to use more than two words in replies to the nonsense he’s posting but point taken. He doesn't want to listen or to take anything new on board. He's read a loony website and fallen for its content hook, line and sinker. I would however make just a quick couple of points:
Whilst it is true that some research was carried out into road/ rail conversions back in the mid 1950s, 60+ years have now gone by and it has never happened? If it as such a bloody good idea, why not?
Beeching was charged with reducing the railway's deficit in the 60s. If the idea had any merit he would have pounced on it - according to V8 it would have saved the country a fortune. But he didn't - why not?
Of all the railway haters the UK has ever spawned, Margaret Thatcher was the railway-hater-in-chief, If the idea had any merit then she would have loved to have gone down in history as the PM who saved the country from the railways. But she didn't do it - why not? (and before any half-wit jumps in to say "because unions" we might pause to recall how victorious the miners were in their year-long fight against the woman...)
Nobody has picked this up and run with it, despite the idea being around for over 60 years and despite various people in power over the years who would dearly have loved to decimate the railways. So why did none of them do it? Could it be because it was a crackpot scheme that simply didn't stack up when held up to scrutiny and accurate costings?
You decide...
Anyone with even a hint of railway knowledge couldn’t disagree with the rest of your post but I have a feeling someone will attempt to
Apparently, railfreight is in decline but here you have at least four drivers from three of the biggest F.O.Cs reporting the exact opposite. My own company has been constantly recruiting for years now and has invested heavily in training premises and simulators as the supply of fully-qualified drivers has dried up.
£millions on new wagons and locos too but what do they know?
V8 and looneyTunes.com must be pissing themselves laughing at the silliness...
tight5 said:
V8 Fettler said:
Many more companies use road freight; rail freight is at less than 8% of the market and falling.
The companies that do use rail freight are being indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer.
Funny, we are busier than we've ever been (even without our coal traffic) and we have NO subsidies.The companies that do use rail freight are being indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer.
Rail freight falling
V8 Fettler said:
Government support for the rail industry
Rail freight falling
If you'd like to find last year's numbers it would be even better for your case as they fell further: Freight Rail Usage - 2017-18 Q3 - Office of Rail and RoadRail freight falling
PDForr.gov.uk › __data › assets › pdf_file
However it also explains the fall: we turned off the coal power stations.
V8 Fettler said:
tight5 said:
V8 Fettler said:
Many more companies use road freight; rail freight is at less than 8% of the market and falling.
The companies that do use rail freight are being indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer.
Funny, we are busier than we've ever been (even without our coal traffic) and we have NO subsidies.The companies that do use rail freight are being indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer.
Rail freight falling
It is worth bearing in mind that this debacle is, thankfully, reasonably self-contained.
The screenshots below show that, whilst people who wanted to go from St Pancras to Bedford were having a hard time this evening, people leaving Paddington would have wondered what all the fuss was about
The screenshots below show that, whilst people who wanted to go from St Pancras to Bedford were having a hard time this evening, people leaving Paddington would have wondered what all the fuss was about
tight5 said:
V8 Fettler said:
tight5 said:
V8 Fettler said:
Many more companies use road freight; rail freight is at less than 8% of the market and falling.
The companies that do use rail freight are being indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer.
Funny, we are busier than we've ever been (even without our coal traffic) and we have NO subsidies.The companies that do use rail freight are being indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer.
Rail freight falling
saaby93 said:
blueg33 said:
saaby93 said:
blueg33 said:
Robertj21a said:
Don't worry, aren't they on the way out shortly ?
Can't come soon enough. I will volunteer to chop up the bloody thingshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_2...
1980 London Underground
t!
Long Marston PH day out?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-beds-buck...
V8 Fettler said:
tight5 said:
V8 Fettler said:
tight5 said:
V8 Fettler said:
Many more companies use road freight; rail freight is at less than 8% of the market and falling.
The companies that do use rail freight are being indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer.
Funny, we are busier than we've ever been (even without our coal traffic) and we have NO subsidies.The companies that do use rail freight are being indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer.
Rail freight falling
P5BNij said:
V8 Fettler said:
tight5 said:
V8 Fettler said:
tight5 said:
V8 Fettler said:
Many more companies use road freight; rail freight is at less than 8% of the market and falling.
The companies that do use rail freight are being indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer.
Funny, we are busier than we've ever been (even without our coal traffic) and we have NO subsidies.The companies that do use rail freight are being indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer.
Rail freight falling
Remove the subsidies and the roads wear out and collapse, as would the country and the economy.
Or perhapos V8 would prefer a little toll both outside his house to collect his contribution before he sets off? There's gonnal be a lot of toll booths...
rs1952 said:
P5BNij said:
V8 Fettler said:
tight5 said:
V8 Fettler said:
tight5 said:
V8 Fettler said:
Many more companies use road freight; rail freight is at less than 8% of the market and falling.
The companies that do use rail freight are being indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer.
Funny, we are busier than we've ever been (even without our coal traffic) and we have NO subsidies.The companies that do use rail freight are being indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer.
Rail freight falling
Remove the subsidies and the roads wear out and collapse, as would the country and the economy.
Or perhapos V8 would prefer a little toll both outside his house to collect his contribution before he sets off? There's gonnal be a lot of toll booths...
tight5 said:
Show mw where FOCs get subsidies.
It's important to recognise that the FOCs and TOCs receive indirect and direct subsidies as per this table:
To the taxpayer, direct or indirect amounts to the same thing: a financial burden for a transport system that continues to fail.
I've shown you where FOCs benefit from indirect subsidy. Direct subsidy to FOCs
What a rediculous ‘argument’.
The overall benefit of freight on rail rather than clogging up an already bursting-at-the-seams road network is so obvious even this Government see the sense in it.
It obviously passes you by...
The yearly subsidy you’ve pointed out is piffling compared to loss to the economy. Almost inconsequential in fact.
The last bar on your chart, for the whole year, doesn’t even cover the amount lost to the economy in traffic jams and accidents in one DAY.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/18/traf...
And you want to make it worse?
Off your head you are.
Off your head.
The overall benefit of freight on rail rather than clogging up an already bursting-at-the-seams road network is so obvious even this Government see the sense in it.
It obviously passes you by...
The yearly subsidy you’ve pointed out is piffling compared to loss to the economy. Almost inconsequential in fact.
The last bar on your chart, for the whole year, doesn’t even cover the amount lost to the economy in traffic jams and accidents in one DAY.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/18/traf...
And you want to make it worse?
Off your head you are.
Off your head.
Gassing Station | Boats, Planes & Trains | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff