RAF & Navy hardware looking quite modern nowadays
Discussion
KieronGSi said:
Castrol for a knave said:
citizensm1th said:
williamp said:
Army have a new rifle too
More of an upgrade than newhttps://www.army.mod.uk/news-and-events/news/2018/...
IMO should have just paid for a licensing agreement and made M4's
I always thought they missed a trick being RH fire only, especially FIBUA.
te am I - thought it had been changed in the photo on my phone.Castrol for a knave said:
KieronGSi said:
Castrol for a knave said:
citizensm1th said:
williamp said:
Army have a new rifle too
More of an upgrade than newhttps://www.army.mod.uk/news-and-events/news/2018/...
IMO should have just paid for a licensing agreement and made M4's
I always thought they missed a trick being RH fire only, especially FIBUA.
te am I - thought it had been changed in the photo on my phone.RizzoTheRat said:
stevesingo said:
Not as shyte as the SA80. Take some solace in that much.
I used to work with the guy who did the acceptance testing for the A2, he'd have a right moan ant anyone who slagged off the SA80 as he reckoned the A2 had fixed all the issues.It's still too heavy and it still requires more cleaning to maintain it's performance.
That matters to the end users.
Evanivitch said:
And yet reports are WCSP getting binned, AS90 getting gapped and no major project to add ATGM to AFV vehicles.
Where are you hearing that CSP is being binned? I'd be interested to know as I follow one down the road yesterday so the trials are clearly ongoing?The AJAX roll out is now starting to gain pace and we've got Boxer coming into the mix soon.
Nothing in particular to add, mainly just making a bookmark, and sharing experience of some kit I've seen.
I don't know much about guns, but I always thought the SA80 looked crap, for that reason alone the army should ditch it, and get an M4 or something cool
i remember thinking it was oddly weighted, particularly in the short carbine version. Accurate though, although I have no basis for comparison apart from some lousy stag do clay pigeon shooting.. in which I embarrassingly scored lowest.
Anyway, it would be nice to see the army get some new kits, or a Challenger 2 upgrade. I remember them buying and using new vehicles in the late 2000's. Jackals were odd vulnerable things, Vikings were fast, but looked like extended milkfloats, and with less armour protection, and the word was that Mastiffs were nigh on indestructible beasts.
The operations then are different to what they need now. No idea what's coming next. I have friends in various regiments, but they dont seem to have much insight this year, as they've been spending most of their time covid testing.
I don't know much about guns, but I always thought the SA80 looked crap, for that reason alone the army should ditch it, and get an M4 or something cool
i remember thinking it was oddly weighted, particularly in the short carbine version. Accurate though, although I have no basis for comparison apart from some lousy stag do clay pigeon shooting.. in which I embarrassingly scored lowest. Anyway, it would be nice to see the army get some new kits, or a Challenger 2 upgrade. I remember them buying and using new vehicles in the late 2000's. Jackals were odd vulnerable things, Vikings were fast, but looked like extended milkfloats, and with less armour protection, and the word was that Mastiffs were nigh on indestructible beasts.
The operations then are different to what they need now. No idea what's coming next. I have friends in various regiments, but they dont seem to have much insight this year, as they've been spending most of their time covid testing.
DuncsGTi said:
Where are you hearing that CSP is being binned? I'd be interested to know as I follow one down the road yesterday so the trials are clearly ongoing?
The AJAX roll out is now starting to gain pace and we've got Boxer coming into the mix soon.
Times and Sun both reported in leaks of the Integrated Review. WCSP has been on demo for years, production contract was expected 3 years ago. I hope they at least get some turret work out of Boxer if WCSP is binned because there's a good experienced team working it. The AJAX roll out is now starting to gain pace and we've got Boxer coming into the mix soon.
Pebbles167 said:
Anyway, it would be nice to see the army get some new kits, or a Challenger 2 upgrade. I remember them buying and using new vehicles in the late 2000's. Jackals were odd vulnerable things, Vikings were fast, but looked like extended milkfloats, and with less armour protection, and the word was that Mastiffs were nigh on indestructible beasts.
The operations then are different to what they need now. No idea what's coming next. I have friends in various regiments, but they dont seem to have much insight this year, as they've been spending most of their time covid testing.
Mastiff is useless for conventional operations. It's pretty much stuck to using prepared track. It's not fast. It's not easy to hide. No doubt it saved many lives from IED, but it's a very limited vehicle.
Evanivitch said:
Jackals are well liked by the users. Apart from the lack of a useful heater, they would go just about anywhere and quickly, allowing you to manoeuvre from harm. The mine blast worked well too.
Mastiff is useless for conventional operations. It's pretty much stuck to using prepared track. It's not fast. It's not easy to hide. No doubt it saved many lives from IED, but it's a very limited vehicle.
Yeah I heard Jackals were decent, I'd just feel too exposed! But that's a personal thing, and I guess a Land Rover wouldnt protect you anyway. Mastiff is useless for conventional operations. It's pretty much stuck to using prepared track. It's not fast. It's not easy to hide. No doubt it saved many lives from IED, but it's a very limited vehicle.
I heard about Mastiffs getting stuck, just a lorry really. As for the Vikings, they really are go anywhere vehicles like the rest of the BV type things. Shame they got rid of them, as whilst they couldn't stand blasts, I've seen few things more maneuverable.
RizzoTheRat said:
The trouble with Urgent Operational Requirement equipment, bought for a specific job meaning it's often not great at other jobs.
I believe Mastiff, Ridgeback and Wolfhound are all being retired. Foxhound is presumably a lot more maneuverable, but can't carry many people.
Unsure on the 3 former, they were all brought into core with quite a big bill. They'll probably be sold to some new democracy for a bag of grain. I believe Mastiff, Ridgeback and Wolfhound are all being retired. Foxhound is presumably a lot more maneuverable, but can't carry many people.
I was sure I'd seen something about them being retired, but all I can find from a quick google is this one link, so it might not be for a while yet
https://www.joint-forces.com/uk-news/33888-british...
At one point they were talking about selling them direct from Afghanistan as being cheaper than trying to ship them all back to the UK, did they end up selling some to the Afghan army/police?
https://www.joint-forces.com/uk-news/33888-british...
At one point they were talking about selling them direct from Afghanistan as being cheaper than trying to ship them all back to the UK, did they end up selling some to the Afghan army/police?
RizzoTheRat said:
The trouble with Urgent Operational Requirement equipment, bought for a specific job meaning it's often not great at other jobs.
I believe Mastiff, Ridgeback and Wolfhound are all being retired. Foxhound is presumably a lot more maneuverable, but can't carry many people.
UORs are not necessarily a bad thing. It has the effect of minimising those folks at Abbey Wood who are bored getting involved. I believe Mastiff, Ridgeback and Wolfhound are all being retired. Foxhound is presumably a lot more maneuverable, but can't carry many people.
A 10 year+ development affords a s
t load of scope creep and interference. RizzoTheRat said:
The trouble with Urgent Operational Requirement equipment, bought for a specific job meaning it's often not great at other jobs.
I believe Mastiff, Ridgeback and Wolfhound are all being retired. Foxhound is presumably a lot more maneuverable, but can't carry many people.
Foxhound is a fantastic platform for urban ops with its maneuverability. It does have it's flaws though. Its relatively complex with a few common points of failure. I believe Mastiff, Ridgeback and Wolfhound are all being retired. Foxhound is presumably a lot more maneuverable, but can't carry many people.
I believe the MRW fleet are being retired/sold off when boxer comes into service. They are great platforms protection wise but reasonably restricted in what they can do other than taxi people around in an armoured bubble.
Evanivitch said:
Times and Sun both reported in leaks of the Integrated Review. WCSP has been on demo for years, production contract was expected 3 years ago. I hope they at least get some turret work out of Boxer if WCSP is binned because there's a good experienced team working it.
OK, I hadn't heard that but as you say, the trials team have some great guys working on it. It really has dragged on as a project though, I think the first time I saw warrior with 40mm was about 2005 in Warminster and its still not in service. El stovey said:
When I were a lad we used 303s on the range at CCF camp. They were proper guns.
I might buy one and some itchy shirts and a nato sweater and get shouted at by some welsh bloke with a big moustache to recreate the experience.
You'll need to take out a second mortgage for the 303 ammo though these days .... !!!! (unless you make your own)I might buy one and some itchy shirts and a nato sweater and get shouted at by some welsh bloke with a big moustache to recreate the experience.
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