RAF & Navy hardware looking quite modern nowadays
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DuncsGTi said:
OK, I hadn't heard that but as you say, the trials team have some great guys working on it. It really has dragged on as a project though, I think the first time I saw warrior with 40mm was about 2005 in Warminster and its still not in service.
BAE did a working CT40 circia 2008, but it was a very basic point and shoot turret. Both AJAX and WCSP are much more complicated than that demonstrator, but we're still 10 years on! RizzoTheRat said:
Looks like the Hercules is on the way out too
https://www.ft.com/content/2a28e071-38ec-4eb3-9ddd...
Yep.https://www.ft.com/content/2a28e071-38ec-4eb3-9ddd...
Only last summer Marshall's delivered the first of the 14 x RAF Herc's back to the RAF after fitting a brand new wing box to extend their service life out to 2035.
Can't imagine the Hereford hooligans will be that impressed with loosing the C130 fleet, it was after all, the only reason they were being kept on.
aeropilot said:
Yep.
Only last summer Marshall's delivered the first of the 14 x RAF Herc's back to the RAF after fitting a brand new wing box to extend their service life out to 2035.
Can't imagine the Hereford hooligans will be that impressed with loosing the C130 fleet, it was after all, the only reason they were being kept on.
Fortunately they won the contract for the US Marines C130J.Only last summer Marshall's delivered the first of the 14 x RAF Herc's back to the RAF after fitting a brand new wing box to extend their service life out to 2035.
Can't imagine the Hereford hooligans will be that impressed with loosing the C130 fleet, it was after all, the only reason they were being kept on.
I always thought the A400M was bought to replace the Herc anyway? Hardly worth keeping it on, just on the odd chance of an SAS mission. Use the Atlas. It’s not as if the Herc was that small anyway that it doesn’t make an easy ground target itself, if using a dodgy airfield. Hopefully we won’t dispose of them for peanuts though.
LotusOmega375D said:
I always thought the A400M was bought to replace the Herc anyway? Hardly worth keeping it on, just on the odd chance of an SAS mission. Use the Atlas.
Except the A400 can't do many things the Herc can, because Airbus didn't design it to do that......and plus it's bloody noisy, so hardly any good for clandestine covert ops.Pebbles167 said:
Nothing in particular to add, mainly just making a bookmark, and sharing experience of some kit I've seen.
I don't know much about guns, but I always thought the SA80 looked crap, for that reason alone the army should ditch it, and get an M4 or something cool
i remember thinking it was oddly weighted, particularly in the short carbine version. Accurate though, although I have no basis for comparison apart from some lousy stag do clay pigeon shooting.. in which I embarrassingly scored lowest.
Anyway, it would be nice to see the army get some new kits, or a Challenger 2 upgrade. I remember them buying and using new vehicles in the late 2000's. Jackals were odd vulnerable things, Vikings were fast, but looked like extended milkfloats, and with less armour protection, and the word was that Mastiffs were nigh on indestructible beasts.
The operations then are different to what they need now. No idea what's coming next. I have friends in various regiments, but they dont seem to have much insight this year, as they've been spending most of their time covid testing.
The Army are getting the Boxer armoured fighting vehicle, 500 on order.I don't know much about guns, but I always thought the SA80 looked crap, for that reason alone the army should ditch it, and get an M4 or something cool
i remember thinking it was oddly weighted, particularly in the short carbine version. Accurate though, although I have no basis for comparison apart from some lousy stag do clay pigeon shooting.. in which I embarrassingly scored lowest. Anyway, it would be nice to see the army get some new kits, or a Challenger 2 upgrade. I remember them buying and using new vehicles in the late 2000's. Jackals were odd vulnerable things, Vikings were fast, but looked like extended milkfloats, and with less armour protection, and the word was that Mastiffs were nigh on indestructible beasts.
The operations then are different to what they need now. No idea what's coming next. I have friends in various regiments, but they dont seem to have much insight this year, as they've been spending most of their time covid testing.
General Dynamics Ajax 589 on order.
They're umming and ahing over the Oshkosh JLTV which was supposed to replace the Humvee "HMMWV" in the US, but now is going to be used in conjunction.
The RAF Sentinel was quietly retired.
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aeropilot said:
LotusOmega375D said:
I always thought the A400M was bought to replace the Herc anyway? Hardly worth keeping it on, just on the odd chance of an SAS mission. Use the Atlas.
Except the A400 can't do many things the Herc can, because Airbus didn't design it to do that......and plus it's bloody noisy, so hardly any good for clandestine covert ops.They even do a gunship fitment
I only came across this post yesterday and was particularly impressed at how we got discussing ally kit and the odd REMF, so early in.
Obviously, some derailment with GG getting a little hot and bothered following some range experiences and the tour she did.
Anyway, it seems the U.K. army are to get a new ‘Ranger Regiment’ (that’s a s
t name), so perhaps more kit coming their way. And seemingly in the US, 100 booties overcame 1500 US troops, using technology to massively improve their odds.
In some respects ‘modern warfare’, at this stage in the 21st C, is about cyber, stealth and tech, rather than armament, equipment and sheer numbers.
Whatever happened to GG, by the way?
Seemingly very knowledgeable on some subjects, but likely to lose the plot whenever someone challenged her (sometimes), limited view.
Obviously, some derailment with GG getting a little hot and bothered following some range experiences and the tour she did.
Anyway, it seems the U.K. army are to get a new ‘Ranger Regiment’ (that’s a s
t name), so perhaps more kit coming their way. And seemingly in the US, 100 booties overcame 1500 US troops, using technology to massively improve their odds.In some respects ‘modern warfare’, at this stage in the 21st C, is about cyber, stealth and tech, rather than armament, equipment and sheer numbers.
Whatever happened to GG, by the way?
Seemingly very knowledgeable on some subjects, but likely to lose the plot whenever someone challenged her (sometimes), limited view.
aeropilot said:
RizzoTheRat said:
Looks like the Hercules is on the way out too
https://www.ft.com/content/2a28e071-38ec-4eb3-9ddd...
Yep.https://www.ft.com/content/2a28e071-38ec-4eb3-9ddd...
Only last summer Marshall's delivered the first of the 14 x RAF Herc's back to the RAF after fitting a brand new wing box to extend their service life out to 2035.
Can't imagine the Hereford hooligans will be that impressed with loosing the C130 fleet, it was after all, the only reason they were being kept on.
eccles said:
54 years the RAF has had Hercs..... That's some innings. I still think of the new 'J' models as being recent, but that was 20 years ago we were preparing them for delivery to the RAF!
The RNZAF has only just ordered some new C130Js to replace the H models they bought in 1965. So 56 years on the same airframes. 20 years is barely run in! Didn't the French recently buy some C130s for their special forces because the A400 couldn't do the job?
dukeboy749r said:
Anyway, it seems the U.K. army are to get a new ‘Ranger Regiment’ (that’s a st name), so perhaps more kit coming their way. And seemingly in the US, 100 booties overcame 1500 US troops, using technology to massively improve their odds.
In some respects ‘modern warfare’, at this stage in the 21st C, is about cyber, stealth and tech, rather than armament, equipment and sheer numbers.
Yup, modern soldiering will be done in very small specialist teams with quality cyber, kit and tech. The Royal Marines are trialling reducing their squads from 6 to 4 bootnecks as part of their future commando vision, army doing the same. Line infantry is a thing of yesteryear t name), so perhaps more kit coming their way. And seemingly in the US, 100 booties overcame 1500 US troops, using technology to massively improve their odds.In some respects ‘modern warfare’, at this stage in the 21st C, is about cyber, stealth and tech, rather than armament, equipment and sheer numbers.
Thread useless without pics; new rifles, new uniforms and kit, if I was baddie and he and buddies turned up I’d s*** myself
Edited by Boom78 on Monday 22 March 10:31
Boom78 said:
dukeboy749r said:
Anyway, it seems the U.K. army are to get a new ‘Ranger Regiment’ (that’s a st name), so perhaps more kit coming their way. And seemingly in the US, 100 booties overcame 1500 US troops, using technology to massively improve their odds.
In some respects ‘modern warfare’, at this stage in the 21st C, is about cyber, stealth and tech, rather than armament, equipment and sheer numbers.
Yup, modern soldiering will be done in very small specialist teams with quality cyber, kit and tech. The Royal Marines are trialling reducing their squads from 6 to 4 bootnecks as part of their future commando vision, army doing the same. Line infantry is a thing of yesteryear t name), so perhaps more kit coming their way. And seemingly in the US, 100 booties overcame 1500 US troops, using technology to massively improve their odds.In some respects ‘modern warfare’, at this stage in the 21st C, is about cyber, stealth and tech, rather than armament, equipment and sheer numbers.
Thread useless without pics; new rifles, new uniforms and kit, if I was baddie and he and buddies turned up I’d s*** myself
Edited by Boom78 on Monday 22 March 10:31
4 person teams may work for SF (for a number of reason) but booties are not SF and are not deployed the same.
There is not a lot of resilience in a four person team, especially if you take a casualty.
dukeboy749r said:
I only came across this post yesterday and was particularly impressed at how we got discussing ally kit and the odd REMF, so early in.
Obviously, some derailment with GG getting a little hot and bothered following some range experiences and the tour she did.
Anyway, it seems the U.K. army are to get a new ‘Ranger Regiment’ (that’s a st name), so perhaps more kit coming their way. And seemingly in the US, 100 booties overcame 1500 US troops, using technology to massively improve their odds.(a)
In some respects ‘modern warfare’, at this stage in the 21st C, is about cyber, stealth and tech, rather than armament, equipment and sheer numbers.
Whatever happened to GG, by the way? (b)
Seemingly very knowledgeable on some subjects, but likely to lose the plot whenever someone challenged her (sometimes), limited view.
(a) you'd need to know a lot more about the limitations imposed by the exercise "script" to read anything of significance into that... interesting Wavell room articleObviously, some derailment with GG getting a little hot and bothered following some range experiences and the tour she did.
Anyway, it seems the U.K. army are to get a new ‘Ranger Regiment’ (that’s a s
t name), so perhaps more kit coming their way. And seemingly in the US, 100 booties overcame 1500 US troops, using technology to massively improve their odds.(a)In some respects ‘modern warfare’, at this stage in the 21st C, is about cyber, stealth and tech, rather than armament, equipment and sheer numbers.
Whatever happened to GG, by the way? (b)
Seemingly very knowledgeable on some subjects, but likely to lose the plot whenever someone challenged her (sometimes), limited view.
Censored hyperlink, unfortunately. Search for Wavell Room article titled 'The British Army has a blackbelt in Bulls - h - i - to'
It compares British Army doctrine to martial arts, and a lot of it rings true. Increasingly armies are coming up against "street fighter" opponents who don't follow the rules of conventional warfare. Whereas Army training likes a well choreographed set piece. Not saying the article is 100% correct, but it's definitely had me thinking about how exercises were planned and developed during my time in green.
(b) I, too was wondering what happened to GG. Last time she posted anything was December 2018. I hope she's OK, she could be a bit abrasive at times but often had something significant to add to a thread.
yellowjack said:
(b) I, too was wondering what happened to GG. Last time she posted anything was December 2018. I hope she's OK, she could be a bit abrasive at times but often had something significant to add to a thread.
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