RAF & Navy hardware looking quite modern nowadays
Discussion
To be fair the SA80 and M4 families have been pretty successful. Both The US military and MOD have been looking at replacement weapons but it's not an easy job. Complicated by them finding that they need a weapon with the effective range of the Old M1, FN SLR and the portability of the 5.56mm.
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
Go on. tell me how an M4 is faster than an L85?
No you tell me how a mag change on a L85 is as fast as a mag change on a m4 given you need to use your left hand to change mags on a L85 where on a m4 you use both.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7XTXdLf3_o mag change at 1.00 mins it is also interesting to note the guy using the stoner derived sharpshooter rifle is able to shoot left handed unlike the guy using the l85 so by exposing less of himself when aiming around a left corner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL8Lwa0zLBQ nice M4 mag change at 3.50
citizensm1th said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7XTXdLf3_o mag change at 1.00 mins
So he drops the mag off the weapon with his right hand (allowing the mag to fall free) and replaces with a new mag with his left hand. How is that faster than droping a mag off an L85 with the left hand (allowing the mag to fall away) and replacing the mag with the left hand?citizensm1th said:
it is also interesting to note the guy using the stoner derived sharpshooter rifle is able to shoot left handed unlike the guy using the l85 so by exposing less of himself when aiming around a left corner.
I'll grant you that. It is a bugbear of mine that the L85 can only be fired from the right shoulder. The prototype was ambidextrous.I'll also grant you that the cocking handle on the L85 is on the 'wrong' side. This wasn't the case with the original design, AIUI it was put in place to make the weapon 'safer' (ie harder to bring in to action) because it was the first fully automatic capable rifle issued to the British Army and the powers that be were scared of Toms having fully auto NDs (at least thats what School of Inf told me).
I also find it odd that the L85A1 came in to service with a fully auto capability when, by that time, the Spams had modified the M16 such that it gave a burst fire capability.
However, IME the L85 is more accurate than the M16/AR-15 and is more 'pointy' than the M4 (and has demonstrably a far better downrange performance than an M4).
Your comments about the Sharpshooter rifle in 7.62 x 51 are a non sequitur fallacy. It was brought in to give a ranging capacity based upon a specific area of operations.
You can insult me all you like for not being an 'operator' - FFS:
a. Females are not Infanteers.
b. I weigh 120lbs soaking wet so even if females could be infanteers, that's not going to happen (despite the fact I am too old).
However, I hold a SASC qualification as a SAAI and I have been around the WS since 1991.
Your quals are what exactly?
Only he was wrong about legacy Perf A Types, very, very wrong.
The bottom line is I have made it plain that I am not (and could not be) 'Infantry'
That doesn't stop me holding a qual.
But, as usual, the PH male massif will not accept a female knowing stuff.
The bottom line is I have made it plain that I am not (and could not be) 'Infantry'
That doesn't stop me holding a qual.
But, as usual, the PH male massif will not accept a female knowing stuff.
Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Wednesday 23 May 21:45
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
citizensm1th said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7XTXdLf3_o mag change at 1.00 mins
So he drops the mag off the weapon with his right hand (allowing the mag to fall free) and replaces with a new mag with his left hand. How is that faster than droping a mag off an L85 with the left hand (allowing the mag to fall away) and replacing the mag with the left hand?Ginetta G15 Girl said:
citizensm1th said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7XTXdLf3_o mag change at 1.00 mins
So he drops the mag off the weapon with his right hand (allowing the mag to fall free) and replaces with a new mag with his left hand. How is that faster than droping a mag off an L85 with the left hand (allowing the mag to fall away) and replacing the mag with the left hand?because with the M4 you have ejected the mag with your trigger finger while already reaching for a new mag, with the l85 you have to release the mag with your left hand then reach for a new mag with the same hand much slower
citizensm1th said:
it is also interesting to note the guy using the stoner derived sharpshooter rifle is able to shoot left handed unlike the guy using the l85 so by exposing less of himself when aiming around a left corner.
I'll grant you that. It is a bugbear of mine that the L85 can only be fired from the right shoulder. The prototype was ambidextrous.I'll also grant you that the cocking handle on the L85 is on the 'wrong' side. This wasn't the case with the original design, AIUI it was put in place to make the weapon 'safer' (ie harder to bring in to action) because it was the first fully automatic capable rifle issued to the British Army and the powers that be were scared of Toms having fully auto NDs (at least thats what School of Inf told me).
I also find it odd that the L85A1 came in to service with a fully auto capability when, by that time, the Spams had modified the M16 such that it gave a burst fire capability.
our cousins have changed that i believe going back to semi and full auto (along with a heavier barrel) as the trigger group on the three round burst was pants and had a terrible pull
However, IME the L85 is more accurate than the M16/AR-15 and is more 'pointy' than the M4 (and has demonstrably a far better downrange performance than an M4).
again our cousins have addressed the down range performance with upgraded ammunition that improves the kill ratio
Your comments about the Sharpshooter rifle in 7.62 x 51 are a non sequitur fallacy. It was brought in to give a ranging capacity based upon a specific area of operations.
you are now just repeating what i said in my earlier post
You can insult me all you like for not being an 'operator' - FFS:
i am not insulting you just saying your knowledge is restricted to a very narrow band in regards to small arms usage. If we were talking about dropping heavy objects on to people from the sky then i would not question the things you have to say.
a. Females are not Infanteers. yes they are ....well ok if you count rock apes as infanteers and not gate guards https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/wo...
b. I weigh 120lbs soaking wet so even if females could be infanteers, that's not going to happen (despite the fact I am too old).
my niece would be very upset with you she weighs less than that and while being a tad younger than you has completed the all arms commando course women can do anything that men can do in the services, the israelites proved that years ago
However, I hold a SASC qualification as a SAAI and I have been around the WS since 1991.
Your quals are what exactly?
oh just a ten year history of being a very bad boy on some interesting attachments nothing special but i did run across 14 int coy a couple of times and basked in their radiated glory
AndrewEH1 said:
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
citizensm1th said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7XTXdLf3_o mag change at 1.00 mins
So he drops the mag off the weapon with his right hand (allowing the mag to fall free) and replaces with a new mag with his left hand. How is that faster than droping a mag off an L85 with the left hand (allowing the mag to fall away) and replacing the mag with the left hand?with the M4 change you have in effect one movement using two hands with the l85 two movements with one hand to achieve the same thing
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
citizensm1th said:
You are claiming to be Det?
Yeah right.
Yeah right.
but i have worked in the same area and ran in to a few, also messed with the brixmis mob at one time to
that should give you an idea on my age
citizensm1th said:
but i have worked in the same area and ran in to a few, also messed with the brixmis mob at one time to
that should give you an idea on my age
And yet you deny me my experience.that should give you an idea on my age
Yet you CONTINUALLY attempt to deny me my experience,
Go figure.
Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Wednesday 23 May 22:34
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
citizensm1th said:
but i have worked in the same area and ran in to a few, also messed with the brixmis mob at one time to
that should give you an idea on my age
And yet yioy deny me my experience.that should give you an idea on my age
Yet you CONTINUALLY attempt to deny me my experience,
Go figure.
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