Which combat aircraft never saw action?

Which combat aircraft never saw action?

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RizzoTheRat

25,182 posts

193 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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Wandering off topic....


Teddy Lop said:
that's a good point. Be a bold man to tell any of Rudolf Andersons family he never saw combat.
It's interesting that Anderson got an Airforce Cross for being killed in his U2, while Powers basically got shunned for surviving and not managing to self destruct his aircraft.



Eric Mc said:
Precisely - although funily enough, no F-12 ever had an X prefix, which is normal for the prototype.
In theory its X for an experimental aircraft (X-1, X31, etc), while Y is intended to be a prototype for a future type or competition (YF22/YF23), but then the JSF started life a the X32/X35 which I'd expect to have been Y's.

Tony1963

4,785 posts

163 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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Some say Powers was asleep and drifted to a lower altitude.

Simpo Two

85,495 posts

266 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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OP said:
3) My definition of "action" is combat (air-to-air or air-to-surface engagement) with a recognised and armed enemy.
It has to be, otherwise a few civilian airliners have unfortunately 'seen action' too.

The thread title should perhaps have been 'Which military aircraft never saw combat?'

LotusOmega375D

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7,636 posts

154 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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No, because that would include all of the non combat military aircraft as explained in the OP.

To be honest, we haven't found many so far. Apart from the Draken and Viggen, I think we can agree on Delta Dart, B36 and B47. Any more?

Even some of the others have engaged in combat somewhere or other (eg. Lightning, F5 & Sea Vixen)

Europa1

10,923 posts

189 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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ReverendCounter said:
XB-70?

I think "front line" in the OP is a clue as to why that doesn't qualify.

FourWheelDrift

88,549 posts

285 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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LotusOmega375D said:
No, because that would include all of the non combat military aircraft as explained in the OP.

To be honest, we haven't found many so far. Apart from the Draken and Viggen, I think we can agree on Delta Dart, B36 and B47. Any more?

Even some of the others have engaged in combat somewhere or other (eg. Lightning, F5 & Sea Vixen)
Supermarine Attacker - fighter
Supermarine Swift - fighter (already mentioned)
Supermarine Scimitar - fighter (already mentioned)
Fairey Hendon - bomber still used during WWII but as a home based trainer
Handley Page Hinaidi - bomber
Handley Page Hyderabad - bomber
Vickers Virginia - bomber
Handley Page Heyford - bomber still used as a target tug and in-flight refuelling experiment during WWII
Fairey Fawn - light bomber
Hawker Woodcock - fighter
Avro 549 Aldershot - bomber
Blackburn Dart/Velos - bomber
Gloster Grebe - fighter
Sopwith Dragon - fighter

AlexiusG55

655 posts

157 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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Mitsubishi F-1? I wouldn't count the F-2 as it's based on the F-16. Similarly, while I don't think the Romanian IAR-93 Vultur saw combat, the identical Yugoslav SOKO J-22 Orao certainly did!

CF-100 Canuck?

AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo?

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

280 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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The Soviet F35? Sorry Yak38 Forger.






Also Tu 22 Blinder


AlexiusG55

655 posts

157 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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Ayahuasca said:
Also Tu 22 Blinder
Libyan and Iraqi Tu-22s saw combat.

Teddy Lop

8,301 posts

68 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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Intersting fact, if correct, the Tu-160 and Tu-95 both had combat debuts in 2015 in Syria. The Tu-95 entered service in 1956, meaning it took 59 years before being used in anger - is this a record in its own right?

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

280 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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AlexiusG55 said:
Ayahuasca said:
Also Tu 22 Blinder
Libyan and Iraqi Tu-22s saw combat.
Do you mean the Backfire? I meant the Blinder, the older one.

Eric Mc

122,050 posts

266 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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Libya did operate the original Tu-22 Blinder as did Syria so their examples may have been used in anger.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

280 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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Eric Mc said:
Libya did operate the original Tu-22 Blinder as did Syria so their examples may have been used in anger.
'May have' doesn't count!

FourWheelDrift

88,549 posts

285 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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The Tu-22 Blinder was used in the Iraq/Iran war and the Tu-22M Backfire was used by Russia in Chechnya and South Ossetia.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

280 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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FourWheelDrift said:
The Tu-22 Blinder was used in the Iraq/Iran war and the Tu-22M Backfire was used by Russia in Chechnya and South Ossetia.
Damn. I am just left with my Yak38 then.

FourWheelDrift

88,549 posts

285 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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Ayahuasca said:
FourWheelDrift said:
The Tu-22 Blinder was used in the Iraq/Iran war and the Tu-22M Backfire was used by Russia in Chechnya and South Ossetia.
Damn. I am just left with my Yak38 then.
Ps. Backfires also bombed Afghanistan. As for the Yak-38 it was so bad they kept that well away from any actually fighting - http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_yak-3...

GliderRider

2,110 posts

82 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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The only time a Grumman F-11 Tiger shot anything down, with the possible exception of any target drones, was when one shot itself down!

"On 21 September 1956, during a test-firing of its 20 mm (.79 in) cannons, pilot Tom Attridge fired two bursts midway through a shallow dive. As the velocity and trajectory of the cannon rounds decayed, they ultimately crossed paths with the Tiger as it continued its descent, disabling it and forcing Attridge to crash-land the aircraft; he survived."

From Grumman_F-11_Tiger




Edited by GliderRider on Thursday 20th September 21:33

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

262 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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I have a soft spot for the Grumman Tiger all the same. Looks like an overgrown Gnat.

Eric Mc

122,050 posts

266 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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Yep - a Gnat with attitude.

I always liked the Tu-22 Blinder - straight out of the Gerry Anderson school of design -



Neonblau

875 posts

134 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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The F7U Cutlass. One of the ugliest aircraft ever built and lethal too by all accounts.