Norwegian Frigate in a collision
Discussion
Smiljan said:
wolfracesonic said:
Is 'settled on the bottom' a naval euphemism for sunk, 'cus to my eyes that looks like it's sunk.
It's partially submerged 
It's shallow waters there and was deliberately run aground at that point so it either wouldn't sink in a bazillion fathoms of water to be lost forever nor would it provide an obstacle course for other, more sea worthy, vessels if abandoned in a shipping lane.
But settled on the bottom means it can't go any lower as there's ground in the way. No idea what they're planning on doing with it long term. I'd guess it will be re-floated and sold on for scrap once any super secret navy stuff has been removed - unless there's a waiting buyer for a frigate with slight water damage.
wolfracesonic said:
Is 'settled on the bottom' a naval euphemism for sunk, 'cus to my eyes that looks like it's sunk.
Not a euphenism, just a technical term that basically meant that its keel is on the seabed and it has no or very little buoyancy, to be very pedantic even the Titanic has 'settled on the bottom'. It is generally used however when parts of the ship are, as in this case, still above the water.Also I don't think this one will polish out, looks like the Norwegians will be needing another frigate. In any case the accident report will make interesting reading.
It begs the question why they didnt use their damage control and compartmentalise the ship once they knew the hull had been breeched, it could have been kept afloat, even if a few compartments were flooded. It has obviously lost its bouyancy at this time if it has sunk (under the surface), therfore the majority of compartments are flooded (total damage). In my opinion i would says thats written off.
[quote=Steve_D]By the look of that damage this is also a 'bulbous bow' hit.
It staggers me how a vessel with that amount of high tech kit can miss seeing/detecting a huge oil tanker.
I can perhaps understand a commercial ship being put on autopilot while the watch go for a meal but a navel vessel with i'm guessing 4 or 5 on the bridge at any one time and still this sort of thing happens.
The watch is split so that there is always the correct amount of watchkeepers on the bridge on commercial ships. AIS is switched off on warships so that they cannot be detected by this means unless coming into port. I cannot see a good outcome in the report ifor the navy vessel unless it was failure of steering/engines.
It staggers me how a vessel with that amount of high tech kit can miss seeing/detecting a huge oil tanker.
I can perhaps understand a commercial ship being put on autopilot while the watch go for a meal but a navel vessel with i'm guessing 4 or 5 on the bridge at any one time and still this sort of thing happens.
The watch is split so that there is always the correct amount of watchkeepers on the bridge on commercial ships. AIS is switched off on warships so that they cannot be detected by this means unless coming into port. I cannot see a good outcome in the report ifor the navy vessel unless it was failure of steering/engines.
silverfoxcc said:
They manged to get that Italian liner up and floating, so a little rowing boat like this should be a walk in the paddling pool,so to speak.
But that wasnt completely submerged was it? Im sure it had been beached, a warship is packed with Electronics and other sensetive equipment that will be totally knackered once its had a taste of seawater, a liner is full of decorations and booze.phumy said:
But that wasnt completely submerged was it? Im sure it had been beached, a warship is packed with Electronics and other sensetive equipment that will be totally knackered once its had a taste of seawater, a liner is full of decorations and booze.
The Costa Concordia? A harder recovery because it wasnt upright, and was considerably bigger than the frigate. A salvage firm will have this floating pretty quickly. Even if its just welding some big plates alongside to make it water-tight, and then pumping water out or air in to raise the buoyancy. Doesnt need to be overly pretty or complicated. As you say though, what state it will be in after is debatable.
aeropilot said:
phumy said:
It begs the question why they didnt use their damage control and compartmentalise the ship once they knew the hull had been breeched, it could have been kept afloat, even if a few compartments were flooded.
Err..........it was quite a big breach!
Even though that looks a large and fairly long hole its not beyond the realms of compartmentising it and keeping minimum water out, but hey it depends on the circumstances at the time, was it in darkness, in which case the majority of crew may have been asleep and it would take a couple of minutes to get your senses about you and get sorted into some assemblance on board. These ships are compartmented with watertight doors, which are also prioritised in order of closure and are split into many many small like metal rooms so can be isolated from the rest of the ship to keep the ogin out, it obviously didnt happen here.
There is another factor that might have kicked in too, if the ship had been away for some time and was coming back to her home port, many naval ships (RN) used to do whats called "Up Channel Night", that means you have more than the normal amount of beer/alchy on that last night as the majority of the crew could be going home to meet loved ones and the last time you will see you sea buddy for a week or so. It used to be a regular this in the `60`s, `70`s and `80`s, i know.....Not sure if these guys did similar things but i wouldnt put it passed them.
There is another factor that might have kicked in too, if the ship had been away for some time and was coming back to her home port, many naval ships (RN) used to do whats called "Up Channel Night", that means you have more than the normal amount of beer/alchy on that last night as the majority of the crew could be going home to meet loved ones and the last time you will see you sea buddy for a week or so. It used to be a regular this in the `60`s, `70`s and `80`s, i know.....Not sure if these guys did similar things but i wouldnt put it passed them.
phumy said:
Even though that looks a large and fairly long hole its not beyond the realms of compartmentising it and keeping minimum water out, but hey it depends on the circumstances at the time, was it in darkness, in which case the majority of crew may have been asleep and it would take a couple of minutes to get your senses about you and get sorted into some assemblance on board.
Yes, happened at night I believe.phumy said:
It begs the question why they didnt use their damage control and compartmentalise the ship once they knew the hull had been breeched, it could have been kept afloat, even if a few compartments were flooded.
It's a shame you're not working for the Navy with ideas like that - I bet they'd never even considered it. 
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