Norwegian Frigate in a collision
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The extent of the damage along the side of the warship gives the impression it was underway and making way at the time of the collision. If this is the case the warship appears to be the give way vessel in a crossing situation in accordance with rule 15 of the collision regulations. Although collisions between ships on the high seas never have strict liability, in this case, if my theorising is correct, the frigate would bear a considerable portion of the liability split.
Ships use AIS as one of many tools in relation to collision avoidance, however, radar is a principal tool, coupled with the mark one eyeball (and ear for listening for sound signals). Too many collisions occur because watchkeepers fail to lookout the window, or look abaft the beam, or know the collision regulations etc. (I could go on and on about this particular topic)!!
Ships use AIS as one of many tools in relation to collision avoidance, however, radar is a principal tool, coupled with the mark one eyeball (and ear for listening for sound signals). Too many collisions occur because watchkeepers fail to lookout the window, or look abaft the beam, or know the collision regulations etc. (I could go on and on about this particular topic)!!
Popeyed said:
The extent of the damage along the side of the warship gives the impression it was underway and making way at the time of the collision. If this is the case the warship appears to be the give way vessel in a crossing situation in accordance with rule 15 of the collision regulations. Although collisions between ships on the high seas never have strict liability, in this case, if my theorising is correct, the frigate would bear a considerable portion of the liability split.
Ships use AIS as one of many tools in relation to collision avoidance, however, radar is a principal tool, coupled with the mark one eyeball (and ear for listening for sound signals).
Rumour has it the Norwegian warship had its AIS turned off.Ships use AIS as one of many tools in relation to collision avoidance, however, radar is a principal tool, coupled with the mark one eyeball (and ear for listening for sound signals).
aeropilot said:
Popeyed said:
The extent of the damage along the side of the warship gives the impression it was underway and making way at the time of the collision. If this is the case the warship appears to be the give way vessel in a crossing situation in accordance with rule 15 of the collision regulations. Although collisions between ships on the high seas never have strict liability, in this case, if my theorising is correct, the frigate would bear a considerable portion of the liability split.
Ships use AIS as one of many tools in relation to collision avoidance, however, radar is a principal tool, coupled with the mark one eyeball (and ear for listening for sound signals).
Rumour has it the Norwegian warship had its AIS turned off.Ships use AIS as one of many tools in relation to collision avoidance, however, radar is a principal tool, coupled with the mark one eyeball (and ear for listening for sound signals).
An interesting description of the incident here
https://verdigris.blog/2018/11/17/the-helge-ingsta...
https://verdigris.blog/2018/11/17/the-helge-ingsta...
The transcript is interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYqGxbKF0AI&fe...
Seems like they didnt know each other were there until shortly before the collision, and then afterwards there was confusion with the warship saying it had hit an unknown object, before beaching quite quickly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYqGxbKF0AI&fe...
Seems like they didnt know each other were there until shortly before the collision, and then afterwards there was confusion with the warship saying it had hit an unknown object, before beaching quite quickly.
andy97 said:
An interesting description of the incident here
https://verdigris.blog/2018/11/17/the-helge-ingsta...
Very interesting, informative, well written and a good read to boot.https://verdigris.blog/2018/11/17/the-helge-ingsta...
Comedy watchkeeping skillz; did the OOW get their ticket by sending away coupons from cereal packets? Complacency, lack of situational awareness and basic COLREGs failure all round. I suspect that's a constructive loss, once the cost of all new electric string and replacing every electric and electronic device is totted up they might as well buy a new one.
Preliminary report and 2 recommendations published yesterday https://www.aibn.no/Marine/Investigations/18-968
Interesting reading.
So the accident itself was a giant cockup.
The final sinking would seem to be a design failing meaning that more than one of the 'sealed compartments' were not actually sealed despite the hatches being closed. water escaped through shaft tunnel and other breaches in bulkheads. Not good.
Steve
So the accident itself was a giant cockup.
The final sinking would seem to be a design failing meaning that more than one of the 'sealed compartments' were not actually sealed despite the hatches being closed. water escaped through shaft tunnel and other breaches in bulkheads. Not good.
Steve
Steve_D said:
Interesting reading.
So the accident itself was a giant cockup.
The final sinking would seem to be a design failing meaning that more than one of the 'sealed compartments' were not actually sealed despite the hatches being closed. water escaped through shaft tunnel and other breaches in bulkheads. Not good.
Steve
That's how I read it, I think Navantia have some serious questions to answer...So the accident itself was a giant cockup.
The final sinking would seem to be a design failing meaning that more than one of the 'sealed compartments' were not actually sealed despite the hatches being closed. water escaped through shaft tunnel and other breaches in bulkheads. Not good.
Steve
A bit more in this link:
https://gcaptain.com/norway-releases-preliminary-r...
Poor watchkeeping on the Frigate.
https://gcaptain.com/norway-releases-preliminary-r...
Poor watchkeeping on the Frigate.
Huntsman said:
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